Now this is old Army

[BOOZINB85]

http://www.aggies9496.com/Images/FootballPics1/SMUSABER.gif



1981 the SMU game. Those jackasses ran on to the field to spell out SMU, and Greg Hood ran out to get them off the field. The cheerleaders knocked him down, and he got up and pulled the saber. The next quarter, my fish buddies ran out on the track, and stole the SMU megaphone. I was with a date so I wasn't with them. The cheerleaders decided to chase, and when they got past the gate, they were ambushed by a bunch of 4th batt fighters. We got two weekends, our Corps brass, and Greg Hood got kick out of school for a semester.

[The Massacre]

and extremely embarassing for our University.

[BOOZINB85]

and extremely embarassing for our University.

I have a stong feeling you weren't there.
Though stupid for pulling his saber, Hood never acted like he was going to use it. He was knocked down by two cheerleaders who were amongst many that were trying to provoke the cadets, as well as the student body. The yell leaders on NUMEROUS occasions demanded the cheerleaders observer our traditions and rules regarding the field, and they ignore all the pleas and request. Mike Thatcher was the head yell leader, 4th batt commander, and a member of my outfit B-2.
Greg Hood was showered with all sorts of booty for defending himself and our traditions. The job offers, cases of whiskey, beer, etc, etc, etc.

[Pflugerville Ag]

Hood never acted like he was going to use it.

yeah, he sure looks like he wasn't going to use it in that pic.

[The Massacre]

I have a stong feeling you weren't there.

you are finally correct about something. congratz. does it feel weird?

[BOOZINB85]

yeah, he sure looks like he wasn't going to use it in that pic.


The pic does look menacing, but as a witness to the incident, I can assure he wasn't going to use it. The crappy thing is that the SMU cheerleaders didn't get punished for their actions.

You should have heard the crowd erupt when he did it though. That picture made the front page of the New York Times, as well as Johnny Carson.

[Burnetaggie99]

You must defend your turf at all cost, even it means going insane. General Chesty Puller USMC

[Slotback]

I was at that game. The SMU cheerleaders had no business being on the field.

[Kyle98]

Whether or not the should have been on the field is not the point. He drew a WEAPON. At a cheerleader. Just kick the crap out of him with your hands a feet if you feel you need to. A sword doesn't need be be brandished to keep people off the field.

[85swhorns46]

I was always told by my father never pull something unless you have no other choice, and if it's bad enough to have to pull a weapon you better use it or risk getting it used on you. The kid was a dumbass for pulling it even if he wasn't gonna use it. But to ya'll I'm just a sip and have no idea what I'm talkin about.

[phatbc]

I still think its awesome. drawing a weapon is INSANE though. I'll give any ag the benefit of the doubt. :D

[TwelfthAG]

Definitely crazy.

[Aggiediver03]

You must defend your turf at all cost, even it means going insane. General Chesty Puller USMC

Umm, I'm pretty sure it was a football game, not a war. He probably should have had much worse than a suspension from school for doing that. He probably deserves to have gone to jail.

[BOOZINB85]

Umm, I'm pretty sure it was a football game, not a war. He probably should have had much worse than a suspension from school for doing that. He probably deserves to have gone to jail.


Well let's see, he was assaulted by two men who it looks like both outweighed him. As I stated previously, I was at that game, and saw the whole thing. The cheerleaders wanted to press charges but were told not to because they were the ones who initiated the incident. Greg Hood was in the right even though it was wrong. If i'm being assaulted by two guys with 5 of their buddies watching, i'd pull my saber allso.

[The Massacre]

Well let's see, he was assaulted by two men who it looks like both outweighed him. As I stated previously, I was at that game, and saw the whole thing. The cheerleaders wanted to press charges but were told not to because they were the ones who initiated the incident. Greg Hood was in the right even though it was wrong. If i'm being assaulted by two guys with 5 of their buddies watching, i'd pull my saber allso.

you are mistaken here, chief. you might want to review the law on when it is ok to use deadly force in self-defense.


Aggiedriver03 you don't deserve to wear the ring.
what are you hinging this moronic comment on? surely not the fact that you think it is ok to use deadly force in self-defense in the situation here.

[macduff93]

I was always told by my father never pull something unless you have no other choice, and if it's bad enough to have to pull a weapon you better use it or risk getting it used on you.


My Marine father told me the same exact thing especially as he encouraged me to possess and be very familiar with a personal weapon. I chose a S&W .357 magnum service revolver. :gig:

[The Massacre]

I was always told by my father never pull something unless you have no other choice, and if it's bad enough to have to pull a weapon you better use it or risk getting it used on you. The kid was a dumbass for pulling it even if he wasn't gonna use it. But to ya'll I'm just a sip and have no idea what I'm talkin about.

i agree 100%

[BAGGIO]

this happened before my time, but what was the rest of the corp doing while this was all going on?

[TexAg77]

Boozin, you are so far out of line with the "You don't deserve to waer the Aggie Ring" I don't know where to start. Wether you agree or not, that one photo has done more damage to the reputation of the Corps of Cadets then any other I know of.

Oh, the SMU cheerleader had five of his buddies around. At that time, the Corp of Cadets was about 1900 strong if I recall with at least 20 to 25 or more OD's on the feild, so no, he wasn't outnumbered.

He lost his composure and PULLED A LETHAL WEAPON ON AN UNARMED INDIVIDUAL IN FRONT OF 72,000+ WITNESSES! Wether he intended to use it or not is irrelevant. Assualt means you perform an action that makes another person believe he is in physical danger. He is lucky he was able to return to A&M at all and extremely lucky he didn't face criminal charges.

[CaliHornia]

this happened before my time, but what was the rest of the corp doing while this was all going on?

affixing their bayonets for the charge

[BOOZINB85]

Well I think the photo is awesome. Just curious Txag77 what is your opinion of this incident? Back in the 1926 TAMU was playing Baylor. They had a corp trip to Waco. A riot was started by a Baylor student and a cadet was killed. Now the Corps returned home and decided to take matters into their own hands. If you know your history, TAMU was a military institute and had many artillary pieces as well as a mounted cav unit, etc. The Aggies commanderred a train, loaded the equipment and headed to Waco. The next morning Baylor students awoke to a frightening site. A cadet corps pointing field artillary at the school and a mounted cav unit in formation with 'Sabers drawn'. They had to call the Texas Rangers out to stop the Aggies. That is why the corps didn't return to Waco until the late 90's. I had a buddy whose grandfather was involved in that incident.

If you are class of 77 i'm sure you were involved in the Rice MOB incident when they goose stepped out on the field and played "oh were oh were has my little dog gone" and the insuing riot that took place when the Aggie Corps massed on the band, then surrounded Rice Stadium and the MOB had to be escorted out of the stadium hours later.

[Aggiediver03]

Well I think the photo is awesome.

This pretty much sums up how we will never agree on this issue. You are proud of it. I see it as nothing but an embarrassment.

[Pflugerville Ag]

It was assualt with a deadly weapon. He's lucky he didn't go to prison.

[MDaggie09]

My Marine father told me the same exact thing especially as he encouraged me to possess and be very familiar with a personal weapon. I chose a S&W .357 magnum service revolver. :gig:

remind me not to get on your bad side

[whitelightnin_23]

Well I think the photo is awesome. Just curious Txag77 what is your opinion of this incident? Back in the 1926 TAMU was playing Baylor. They had a corp trip to Waco. A riot was started by a Baylor student and a cadet was killed. Now the Corps returned home and decided to take matters into their own hands. If you know your history, TAMU was a military institute and had many artillary pieces as well as a mounted cav unit, etc. The Aggies commanderred a train, loaded the equipment and headed to Waco. The next morning Baylor students awoke to a frightening site. A cadet corps pointing field artillary at the school and a mounted cav unit in formation with 'Sabers drawn'. They had to call the Texas Rangers out to stop the Aggies. That is why the corps didn't return to Waco until the late 90's. I had a buddy whose grandfather was involved in that incident.

If you are class of 77 i'm sure you were involved in the Rice MOB incident when they goose stepped out on the field and played "oh were oh were has my little dog gone" and the insuing riot that took place when the Aggie Corps massed on the band, then surrounded Rice Stadium and the MOB had to be escorted out of the stadium hours later.

Isn't this the image the University has been trying to distance itself from since then?
All examples you have brought up have been "black eyes" on the University. It's great to have school pride, & it's another thing to carry on-field emotions & events into real life...whether it's retaliation or not...
I don't think the corp was ever meant to be a renegade group seeking vigilante (sp?) justice. I think that just hurts their (and the school's)reputation...

[BigJohn]

Well I think the photo is awesome. Just curious Txag77 what is your opinion of this incident? Back in the 1926 TAMU was playing Baylor. They had a corp trip to Waco. A riot was started by a Baylor student and a cadet was killed. Now the Corps returned home and decided to take matters into their own hands. If you know your history, TAMU was a military institute and had many artillary pieces as well as a mounted cav unit, etc. The Aggies commanderred a train, loaded the equipment and headed to Waco. The next morning Baylor students awoke to a frightening site. A cadet corps pointing field artillary at the school and a mounted cav unit in formation with 'Sabers drawn'. They had to call the Texas Rangers out to stop the Aggies. That is why the corps didn't return to Waco until the late 90's. I had a buddy whose grandfather was involved in that incident.

If you are class of 77 i'm sure you were involved in the Rice MOB incident when they goose stepped out on the field and played "oh were oh were has my little dog gone" and the insuing riot that took place when the Aggie Corps massed on the band, then surrounded Rice Stadium and the MOB had to be escorted out of the stadium hours later.

You'll have to forgive BoozinB. He's so Old Army that Jesus is New Army to him. :gig:

[BOOZINB85]

You'll have to forgive BoozinB. He's so Old Army that Jesus is New Army to him. :gig:

Now that's absolutely hilarious. Good one, and you damn skippy.

[Pflugerville Ag]

You'll have to forgive BoozinB. He's so Old Army that Jesus is New Army to him. :gig:

Brilliant. :rep:

[Kyle98]

You'll have to forgive BoozinB. He's so Old Army that Jesus is New Army to him. :gig:

HAHA! Classic! :rep:

[TexAg77]

BoozinB285, to answer your question,

Yes I was there. No we did not get that upset about the Goose Stepping or making fun of Reveille. If I remember right, it was when the made fun of "MUSTER" that the majority of the Corps where I was sitting began going over the wall. THe papers said what a great job the police did in maintaining order. Hogwash. The OD's who were there that day maintained ther composure and got us heading back to our seats (hearing your name and restricted weekends for the rest of the year gets your attention).

As for surrounding the field and the MOB needing to be escorted out, yep, Old TexAg77 was on the front line. However at that time, we were not looking to harm anyone. We were looking for an apology.

We received one the next week.

Having said that, that was no excuse for our behavior. The Corps is training leaders and leaders know how to keep their temper in check and maintain their composure. On that day, those of us who tried to storm the field and tried to confront the MOB dishonored the Corps of Cadets and Texas A&M University.

[Pflugerville Ag]

:rep: to TexAg77 for his good post. Any post that uses "Hogwash" is normally rep worthy! :D

[12th man fan]

The Rice MOB made fun of themselves the following year...in fact I think at the end of their performance they pretended to flush themselves down the toilet.

Anyone getting so upset about sometheing the MOB did was taking it way too seriously. Keeping in mind their all flaming libs, and then go figure from there.

[whitelightnin_23]

Having said that, that was no excuse for our behavior. The Corps is training leaders and leaders know how to keep their temper in check and maintain their composure. On that day, those of us who tried to storm the field and tried to confront the MOB dishonored the Corps of Cadets and Texas A&M University.

:rep: Well said.

[12th man fan]

Anyone remeber the 1977 home game against t.u.?

If I remeber correctly, the t. sips wanted to run onto Kyle Field with the big Texas state flag and spin in circles like they normally do, but the Ag Honor Guard wouldn't let them. I believe sabres were drawn by them, and they marched towrds the t. sips holding the flag (it was still rolled up). Seems the state tropers intevened and calmed everybody down. Am I remembering this correctly?

I don't remember what happened after that, except that Earl Campbell ran crazy on us and the Horns won big.

[Kyle98]

BoozinB285, to answer your question,

Yes I was there. No we did not get that upset about the Goose Stepping or making fun of Reveille. If I remember right, it was when the made fun of "MUSTER" that the majority of the Corps where I was sitting began going over the wall. THe papers said what a great job the police did in maintaining order. Hogwash. The OD's who were there that day maintained ther composure and got us heading back to our seats (hearing your name and restricted weekends for the rest of the year gets your attention).

As for surrounding the field and the MOB needing to be escorted out, yep, Old TexAg77 was on the front line. However at that time, we were not looking to harm anyone. We were looking for an apology.

We received one the next week.

Having said that, that was no excuse for our behavior. The Corps is training leaders and leaders know how to keep their temper in check and maintain their composure. On that day, those of us who tried to storm the field and tried to confront the MOB dishonored the Corps of Cadets and Texas A&M University.

Excellent post. :rep:

[Burnetaggie99]

That's what's wrong with us nobody likes to fight for anything anymore. I can say this as a Aggie and a Marine, Nobody is going to assault me or my fellow Aggies with out me do something about it. I don't care if its right or wrong. You must show them if one guy is willing to fight then all Aggies are willing to fight. That way it shows we won't tollerate that kind of stuff. Also if that corps guy felt for his life because he was being assaulted, then he has every right by the law to defend himself by all means necessary. Ya'll sound like a bunch of these left wing liberals bitching about the war I fought in. If it was up to me everybody would do 2 years of miltary service. Personally I like to have some these Pus*ies for one day in my beloved Marine Corps.

[The Massacre]

Also if that corps guy felt for his life because he was being assaulted, then he has ever right by the law to defend himself by all means necessary.
i have a hard time believing that he felt that his life was in danger. i'm not saying he shouldn't protect his field and himself, but not with deadly force in that situation. and i'm no liberal, that's for dam sure.

[BOOZINB85]

It use to be very common that when someone yelled "ol army fight" it was awn.

I read an excerpt from a book by a former student, it was during the 60's and he recalled that the Regiment and Brigade freshman and sophmores went to a basketball game at t.u. He states that with "military precision", a signal was given and the cadets with military precision pounced on the teasips.

I had a buddy whose dad was at TAMU when Jack Pardee was there, and he told me that Pardee would go to baseball games and try to start stuff with the opposing teams.

[Mezentius]

The operative word to remember is that there is a big difference between a fist fight and using a sword on a dude in a cheerleading outfit.

Go to town with the fists but leave the sword in the scabbard. If you as a future officer in the military can't take down a cheerleader then perhaps there are larger issues here *wink*

[Mole]

Correct me on this but this probably wasn't the first nor the last time someone pulled their sword. Right?

Anyone remember the Oaklahoma game a few years ago where they barely squeaked out a win to go to the Orange Bowl. The Oakie fans where throwing oranges on the field and a few of them ran out on the field. I still remember the lead guy running around hootin and hollering until he got cold cocked with a forearm to the head by someone in PMC if I remember correctly. Then next thing that guy saw was the flashes from all the cameras going off.

[phatbc]

Fist fight!?!? no that would be horrible. fighting is destructive and could get someone hurt, while pulling a sword keeps people away and stops a fight from happening :D

[BigJohn]

Fist fight!?!? no that would be horrible. fighting is destructive and could get someone hurt, while pulling a sword keeps people away and stops a fight from happening :D
It's a lot easier to win when you have 3 feet of sharp(?) metal and the other guy doesn't.:towel:

[Mole]

That's what's wrong with us nobody likes to fight for anything anymore. I can say this as a Aggie and a Marine, Nobody is going to assault me or my fellow Aggies with out me do something about it. I don't care if its right or wrong. You must show them if one guy is willing to fight then all Aggies are willing to fight. That way it shows we won't tollerate that kind of stuff. Also if that corps guy felt for his life because he was being assaulted, then he has every right by the law to defend himself by all means necessary. Ya'll sound like a bunch of these left wing liberals bitching about the war I fought in. If it was up to me everybody would do 2 years of miltary service. Personally I like to have some these Pus*ies for one day in my beloved Marine Corps.

This is something my father never had to teach me because it is general knowledge:

Don't mess with Marines.

[Mole]

Oh Burnetaggie99 one more thing:

Thank you for your service.

[TexAg77]

That's what's wrong with us nobody likes to fight for anything anymore. I can say this as a Aggie and a Marine, Nobody is going to assault me or my fellow Aggies with out me do something about it. I don't care if its right or wrong. You must show them if one guy is willing to fight then all Aggies are willing to fight. That way it shows we won't tollerate that kind of stuff. Also if that corps guy felt for his life because he was being assaulted, then he has every right by the law to defend himself by all means necessary. Ya'll sound like a bunch of these left wing liberals bitching about the war I fought in. If it was up to me everybody would do 2 years of miltary service. Personally I like to have some these Pus*ies for one day in my beloved Marine Corps.


Do you really think that Cadet felt assualted? Yes he was being taunted, but the SMU cheerleaders never did anything that would make him fear for his safety.

He over reacted, pure and simple. I over reacted against the MOB (thank God I didn't have to pay a price for that).

If he or I had been attacked (not teased or taunted) I could justify our actions. If someone yells "Old Army Fight" and I'm around, I've got their back. If I find out later they were the instigators, I'll whip their ass.

Everytime an incident like this occurs involving the Corps of Cadets, those who would like to see us disappear (yes my friends, there are those at A&M who want us gone) get one more thing to use against us.

[Mole]

Do you really think that Cadet felt assualted? Yes he was being taunted, but the SMU cheerleaders never did anything that would make him fear for his safety.

He over reacted, pure and simple. I over reacted against the MOB (thank God I didn't have to pay a price for that).

If he or I had been attacked (not teased or taunted) I could justify our actions. If someone yells "Old Army Fight" and I'm around, I've got their back. If I find out later they were the instigators, I'll whip their ass.

Everytime an incident like this occurs involving the Corps of Cadets, those who would like to see us disappear (yes my friends, there are those at A&M who want us gone) get one more thing to use against us.

Do you seriously think that will ever happen? The Corps IS A&M. Love it or not, weather you were in it or not Texas A&M University is joined at the hip to the Corps of Cadets.

[TexAg77]

I've never heard one say it, but I have been told that some of the Bulls assigned to A&M who didn't go to A&M would rather we operate like a normal ROTC unit. That makes their job easier.

[Mole]

I've never heard one say it, but I have been told that some of the Bulls assigned to A&M who didn't go to A&M would rather we operate like a normal ROTC unit. That makes their job easier.

Even with that being said they can't just make the change can they? It would have to clear the administration and certainly I wouldn't think they would want that. I could be wrong though.

[aggieamy07]

Even with that being said they can't just make the change can they? It would have to clear the administration and certainly I wouldn't think they would want that. I could be wrong though.

The administration has been known to do crazier things...

[Mole]

The administration has been known to do crazier things...

This is most certainly true.

[Aggiediver03]

I guess it's all about the situation. This has absolutely nothing to do with defending yourself, or having another Aggie's back. It's a football game where someone pulled a sword on a cheerleader, there's just absolutely no way to rationalize that. And this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Marine Corps, sorry, but that's just rediculous.

[cyanide]

this happened before my time, but what was the rest of the corp doing while this was all going on?

Breaking out the anti *** spray to shoo the CHEERLEADERS off the field.

Oh! And Greg Hood is on the 12th Man Foundation 2006 advisory directors. I don't know if it is the same Greg Hood, but here's the link: http://www.12thmanfoundation.com/advisoryboard.asp

[BOOZINB85]

Do you really think that Cadet felt assualted? Yes he was being taunted, but the SMU cheerleaders never did anything that would make him fear for his safety.

He over reacted, pure and simple. I over reacted against the MOB (thank God I didn't have to pay a price for that).

If he or I had been attacked (not teased or taunted) I could justify our actions. If someone yells "Old Army Fight" and I'm around, I've got their back. If I find out later they were the instigators, I'll whip their ass.

Everytime an incident like this occurs involving the Corps of Cadets, those who would like to see us disappear (yes my friends, there are those at A&M who want us gone) get one more thing to use against us.

WTF??? Are you running for office or something, sheesh,


Regarding the sabers, they are cermonial, they aren't sharp, and would probably break on contact.

[TexAg77]

WTF??? Are you running for office or something, sheesh,


Regarding the sabers, they are cermonial, they aren't sharp, and would probably break on contact.


Not running for office, just responding statements that are contrary to reputation and well being of the Corps of Cadets.

Even a cerimonial saber is sharp at the tip and would easily penetrate clothing and flesh. And no, they wouldn't break on contact.

Do you really think before you post?

[Mezentius]

A pipe isn't sharp and a lead pipe is soft. Can I hit someone with that?

At the end of the day his reaction is probably not completely out of line if and only if he doesn't pull the sword. Bottomline he made a mistake doing that.