Odds for Cowboys

[polish]

I was reading that the Cowboys went from 20:1 odds in Vegas pre TO to 11:1. Thats pretty significant considering they have no QB that is worth a crap

[Pflugerville Ag]

200:1 is more like it.

[Loftin]

11:1 are the odds that Bledsoe and Parcells are still on good terms with Owens in two years.

[Vlyrock]

Bledsoe isn't that bad of a QB. He actually had a good year for the Cowboys. Remember -- they were fighting for a playoff spot down the stretch, and that's without any playmakers at RB or WR. Glenn was all that Bledsoe was comfortable throwing to, and they connected on a lot of big plays. Julius Jones was just coming into his own down the stretch and had good games in the last few.

I personally don't like the Cowboys, but with TO joining the WR corps, he'll draw the best DB and that'll free Glenn up to work on the 2nd best. TO is good enough to get open, and Glenn will still be a favorite target for Bledsoe. If Jones can get going on the ground, and the Boys shore up some holes on D, they'll be a formidable opponent. Given that they play in the NFC where there is no strong opponent except maybe the Panthers (unlike the Steelers, Broncos, Chiefs, Patriots, etc in the AFC) -- getting to the Super Bowl is not an unaccomplishable task -- then they just have to win that one game against the AFC opponent. It's possible.

Having said all that though, I don't think it happens. :)

[Pflugerville Ag]

Bledsoe played way above himself last year. I don't see it happening this year.

[texag005]

Hate on Bledsoe, Hate on TO all you texans fans want to, but Da Boys will be the ones playing after the regular season this coming year and your beloved texans will be sitting at home watching once again. I'm not the biggest TO fan, but he's gonna put us as a franchise a lot closer to getting to the Super Bowl. And somebody remarked that we didn't have any playmakers at WR or RB, that's not the way I see it. We had the players, they either just didn't live up to their potential this past season, or they did and it was overshadowed by the horrendous play of the offensive line. I think with the holes on the offensive line seemingly patched, there are that many big holes left to fill on this team. The big one that I can see is replacing Dat, but i'm not sure who we could get that could replace all of the intagibles Dat brought to the team. Oh well, heres to Da Boys going bowling next year.


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[Vlyrock]

Umm...I'm not a Cowboys fan and/or a Texans fan...

Reread my post and you'll see my lack of playmakers wasn't a bash on the Cowboys. What's funny though is you say that they didn't have a lack of playmakers, just, "We had the players, they either just didn't live up to their potential this past season, or they did and it was overshadowed by the horrendous play of the offensive line."If they didn't perform well, they weren't playmakers. And my point was the Cowboys had a decent, competitive year even without those playmakers.

[Loftin]

Wow, take a mediocre team, add an overrated player who is divisive, and BAM! you have Cowboy fans talking Super Bowl.

Face it: Emmitt and Troy are gone.

[texag005]

Vly, by no means was I directing the texans thing towards you, i know your loyalties are with the Bills if my memory serves me correct. What i was trying to say is not how you perceived it. I totally agree that them not performing last season means that they weren't playmakers last season. I wasn't trying to say they were. I was just saying that they had/have the talent to be playmakers. If Julius Jones can ever stay healthy he is gonna be one helluva a running back. Terry Glenn had over 1000 yards last season. I'd say that's pretty damn good. And Keyshawn, well I think he was around 700 yards, which either says we underutilized him or it's a reflection of how piss poor our offensive line was.

Which leads me to my next point which is not directed towards Vly, b/c he actually doesn't seem to be one of the Bledsoe critics. I'm not saying the guy is anything of the same caliber of Troy, but why all the hate towards him. If anything he played a badass season last year after we lose maybe one of the top OT's in the league towards the beginning of the season and then we have an unproven rookie and a huge dissappoinment in Torin Tucker playing his backside tackle. I think with the shots Bledsoe took and the position he was in numerous times last season he deserves some credit, b/c he didn't miss a game and he sure as hell got his bell rung quite a bit.

Loftin: I'd say they were definately a mediocre team last year, but with the upgrades i feel we made on the offensive line and with TO and the returning core of players, i think they have a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl. It made me laugh that you called TO an overrated player. He's so overrated that teams gameplan solely to control him. What have the Texans done to upgrade their team this off season? Seriously b/c I haven't heard about any of it and I know ya'll had bigger holes to fill than we did

[Pflugerville Ag]

Hate on Bledsoe, Hate on TO all you texans fans want to, but Da Boys will be the ones playing after the regular season this coming year and your beloved texans will be sitting at home watching once again. I'm not the biggest TO fan, but he's gonna put us as a franchise a lot closer to getting to the Super Bowl. And somebody remarked that we didn't have any playmakers at WR or RB, that's not the way I see it. We had the players, they either just didn't live up to their potential this past season, or they did and it was overshadowed by the horrendous play of the offensive line. I think with the holes on the offensive line seemingly patched, there are that many big holes left to fill on this team. The big one that I can see is replacing Dat, but i'm not sure who we could get that could replace all of the intagibles Dat brought to the team. Oh well, heres to Da Boys going bowling next year.

Refresh my memory....how many times have the Cowgirls beaten the Texans?? :)

[texag005]

Well are we talking regular season games or all games pre-season and regular season? :)

[zrf2002]

man, seems kinda weird with that so many people who hate the cowboys, yall sure do spend a lot of time talking about the cowboys. i have never understood the way people from houston hate dallas. it is like you have built up some kind of rivalry with a team that does not care. like baylor wanting to be our rival. yes i do live in the woodlands now, but i am from the dallas area. people in dallas could not give a rats ass about this supposed "rivalry." dallas and houston sports teams, with the exception of basketball, are in different conferences or leagues. they hardly ever play each other. i think in football, once every 4 years, in baseball, like 4 games a season. i just dont get it. maybe someone can enlighten me.



Refresh my memory....how many times have the Cowgirls beaten the Texans?? :)

well, i believe this is the first year they play in regular season, may be wrong. but i know the texans have beaten the cowboys in preseason. and that means a lot.

i am guessing all of the texans bandwagoneers are former oilers fans, so how may times did the oilers beat the texans. i think it would be easier to figure out how many times the oilers choked their way out of going to the super bowl.

[Dustin00whoop]

The whole rivalry thing is that to everyone else in the state, Dallas is the Hollywood of Texas & most people in Texas despise that lifestyle. Now that is a generalization, so don't all you Dallas-ites go getting all pissed off. I've met a few Dallas people in my day that I can tolerate (just kidding, ZRF), but the city & the way of life up there is not for me.

[Pflugerville Ag]

well, i believe this is the first year they play in regular season, may be wrong. but i know the texans have beaten the cowboys in preseason. and that means a lot.

How quick Cowboy fans are to forget that they lost to the Texans in their first REGULAR season game as a franchise. I'll never forget the look on Jerry's face on the sideline as his team was embarassed by an expansion team on national TV.

[NPLAggie07]

That was awesome Pflugerville Ag...didn't Jones cut someone after that game to because he was embarrassed with the performance.

[zrf2002]

well, as i said, i may be wrong that this is the first year that the cowboys and texans play in the regular season.

congrats that that 1 win 4 years ago. it has gotten you a long way. all the way to the 1st pick in the upcoming draft, hense the worst team in the league last year.

[Pflugerville Ag]

well, as i said, i may be wrong that this is the first year that the cowboys and texans play in the regular season.

congrats that that 1 win 4 years ago. it has gotten you a long way. all the way to the 1st pick in the upcoming draft, hense the worst team in the league last year.

I guess you're gonna make me pull out some stats on you!

In the first 4 years of the Cowboys, they won 24% of their games (13-38-3). In the first 4 years of the Texans, they won 28% of their games (18-46). Neither team made the playoffs in their first 4 years of existence. It took Dallas 11 years to make their first Super Bowl and 12 years to win one. I think its a little too early to count out the Texans as a good NFL franchise.

[zrf2002]

I think its a little too early to count out the Texans as a good NFL franchise.

i never said we should count out the texas as a good nfl franchise. i think they can be a very good nfl franchise. but if you want more stats, i believe the jags and panthers both made the post season in their third year of existence.

[Pflugerville Ag]

We're not talking Jags and Panthers. We're talking Cowboys and Texans. The point I was making is that Houston has been more successful in the first 4 years of their franchise than Dallas was.

[zrf2002]

i realize that we were talking about the cowboys and texans. i just dont see how that is relavant. the texans have a franchise record of .280 over the last four seasons. the cowboys began playing many years ago. when did they first make it to the playoffs? i dont know. but you did say it took them 11 years to make it to the super bowl and 12 years to win their first one. they have won 4 more since then. i dont know that the texans will or will not do that. any team can win it all any year in the nfl. this might be the year for the texans. i cant see into the future.

[whoopthat]

Get off Cowboys, As Texans we must consider that the cowboys are the only good thing to ever come out of Dallas, So we have to, as Texans make sure that the only reflection (of the pimple on the ass of Texas that is Dallas) is a good one. However the cowboys do get players such as T.owens to stay true to the city

[phatbc]

why is there a houston, dallas CITY rivalry? its so wierd. who the f cares? man...

we are all texans so get over that crap. all texas cities are badass.

[Dustin00whoop]

why is there a houston, dallas CITY rivalry? its so wierd. who the f cares? man...

I thought I just explained that for you in my last post. And no, all Texas cities aren't bad ass. Austin would be a great city if it wasn't full of crooked ass politicians, hippie transplants from San Francisco, & tons of t-sips. San Antonio would be decent if I could read the billboards, but mi no se habla espanol, so there goes that. Lubbock would be okay if it wasn't constantly being taken over by red dirt or the odor that seeps out from all those feed lots. But the rest of Texas, ain't all that bad! :D

[texag005]

How quick Cowboy fans are to forget that they lost to the Texans in their first REGULAR season game as a franchise. I'll never forget the look on Jerry's face on the sideline as his team was embarassed by an expansion team on national TV.


Yeah being a Cowboy fan i'll never forget that game as well. That has to go down as one of the biggest embarassments in the history of the Cowboys franchise. We had Quincy Carter playing QB though so it's a surprise that we made the playoffs that year or won a game period

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Originally Posted by Pflugerville Ag
We're not talking Jags and Panthers. We're talking Cowboys and Texans. The point I was making is that Houston has been more successful in the first 4 years of their franchise than Dallas was.


How can you compare the Cowboys becoming a team in 60's-70's and the Texans becoming a team in well whatever year ya'll became an NFL franchise? The league is completely different and it was set up so that hopefully ya'll could duplicate the results from the Panthers and Jags.

Dude, Whoopthat, you have some serious issues with the city of Dallas. I consider myself to be from Ft Worth seeing as I don't really care for Dallas as well, but you didn't see the rest of us attacking the city and calling it the pimple on the ass of Texas or whatever poetic way you so described it. Sounds like you need to get some help for all that negativity you feel for Dallas.
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[zrf2002]

once again i do not understand the distaste for dallas. the only explaination i have gotten is that it is the hollywood of texas and it is the pimple on the ass of texas. so all i can take from this is that it is a hip, modern area where some people make a good living (not all areas of dallas are snooty if that is what you think), is a good sports town, has a lot of entertainment, and is a good place to live, good shopping, variety, etc. or that it is a ****ty place to live because it is a pimple on an ass. gee.........this sonds a lot like the exact same things that pretty much everyone says about houston. everyone is snooty, there is good sports teams, and a lot to do. or that houston is the arm pit of texas and noone can understand why anyone would want to live in such a sesspool.

the only major difference i can see between the two cities that i can see is that the dallas area has zoning laws and houston area does not. everything else is pretty much equal.

man, people sure have a problem with this. i still do not get it. the two areas are two of the biggest metro areas in the country and they are both pretty diverse. houstonians need to get over the supposed "rivalry" with dallas because it just does not exist.

[Dustin00whoop]

If it doesn't exist then why do you know H-town as the armpit of Texas. Plus, Dallas is too close to Oklahomo...you get all those transports.

[polish]

Houston is better because it's closer to the fightin texas aggies sports teams. Heaven on earth is closer to Houston for a reason ;)

[zrf2002]

If it doesn't exist then why do you know H-town as the armpit of Texas. Plus, Dallas is too close to Oklahomo...you get all those transports.

i did not say that "h-town" is the armpit of texas in my opinion. that is what i have heard others say. this is not an opinion of my own. i could really care less about this whole rivalry, i am just trying to understand the distaste houston has for dallas, because noone in dallas EVER talks about how they hate houston.

as far as being too close to oklahoma and "you get all those transports", i am not sure about that. maybe people in dallas are currently talking about how houston is too close to mexico and get too many illegals who are protesting about new imigration laws and how all these illegal immigrant kids are skipping school (which they are in illegally, and we are paying for with our tax dollars) and walking around as if they are in mexico city and this is their homeland waving the mexican flag as if it is their own city and country. the only argument they have against the new immigration laws is that they are here to have jobs that noone else in the country wants to have and accept lower wages for this "right".

[Dustin00whoop]

Classic change of subject...awesome. Well, I saw a bunch of illegals walking out of high schools in Dallas too.

The "rivalry" is based upon what I said earlier. The Hollywood of Texas is a stretch & obviously, you know it, because you didn't argue that point. Just like Hollywood, Dallas thinks they are the high & mighty town in Texas. You've lived around there...you know its the case. I never said there weren't some nice suburbs of Dallas. But go out to eat in Dallas. Hell, go to a bar in Dallas. The price of drinks there would make you think you're at a strip club in Houston. You know me. I've been there multiple times & I can't stand it. Not because I'm from H-town, because I'm not, but because I just can't stand that way of life.

Now if you want to solely relate it to sports, then lets start with this whole self-proclaimed "America's Team" thing. Its the same reason that Aggies despise t-shirt t-sips. We don't like that because we know its only because of the marketing & the hype-machine that is texas university. People in other areas of Texas hate Dallas for the exact same reason.

[texag005]

If it doesn't exist then why do you know H-town as the armpit of Texas. Plus, Dallas is too close to Oklahomo...you get all those transports.

Damn dude i'll give you one point, there are way the hell too many okie and yankee transplants in Dallas. I wish the Yankees would just keep going on to Austin where there are a helluva a lot more people who have the same ideals that they do. Hell who cares, apparently Houston is the armpit and Dallas is the pimple on the ass, so damn that makes San Antonio and Austin some really interesting anatomical structures ;)

[Dustin00whoop]

I'm waiting for House Divided to jump into this one.

And screw those Yankees coming anywhere in Texas. Either stay north of the Mason Dixon or go to Cali or Florida. ;)

[Pflugerville Ag]

Dallas is full of people who spend all of their money on a BMW to look important while driving around and then return home to their ****ty $500/month apartment.

[zrf2002]

for everything i have read about why houstonians hate dallas - hollywood of texas, they are snooty, act like they are better than everyone else, drive nice cars and go home to ****ty apartment, too many yankees in the area, going out to a bar and paying the price of drinks............. it is ALL THE SAME WAY IN HOUSTON!!!

this is freaking retarded. i feel like dustin arguing with cali on a regular thrusday night. or arguing with a liberal t-sip. the conversation has gone NOWHERE because i asked why houstonians dislike dallas. yall have brought up things i never went into and did a "classic change of subject" i do not recall seeing the protests in dallas because i can not watch the local dallas news, living in the woodlands.

i will make my own conclusion...... houstonians dislike dallas for everything that is represents.....the sports teams, the lifestyle, everything for no apparent reason. i was just curious to see what yall had to say about dallas and why yall dislike it. once again, like debating with a liberal, i know yall are not liberals, i got nowhere. ok i am done with this topic.

[Dustin00whoop]

Thats the thing you are missing, ZRF. We gave you all the reasons, & you have the misconception that its the exact same way in Houston. Its not! Thats why there is the dislike. Its really not that hard to understand.

[zrf2002]

if you think that all the things you have mentioned about dallas are not the same in houston, then you need to open your eyes. when you go out to a bar here or there, a beer is a beer, a drink is a drink, and the cost is the same. people live the same lives, work, party, go out, go to sporting events, ect. no matter where you live. the cost of living is not any different here than in dallas. they are both pretty cosmopolitan type areas. the houston metro area is just much more populated. if i had my choice, yes i would prefer to live in the dallas are, but that is only because that is where i grew up. but at least i am open minded enough to realize that houston has a lot of great things to offer as well as does dallas. i hear a lot that people just go to rockets games to be seen and to socialize. you will hear the same things about people who go to mavericks games or stars games. yeah there are a lot of yankees and transplants in the dallas area but you know what, it is the same way in houston. people move to these areas, both dallas and houston, for the amenities available, opportunities, lower cost of living, and the overall way of life in texas. i am not trying to hate on houston. it is just fine with me. but if you can not see that they are very similar, and you want to be close minded, i can not change your way of thinking.

[Dustin00whoop]

It has nothing to do with being close-minded. It has to do with experience. Believe what you want, but from my own personal experiece & from talking to many others, I have come to the conclusion that Dallas is a completely different way of life. As a matter of fact, you are the only one that I have discussed this with that thinks that it isn't. Hell, I have numerous people that live or have lived in Dallas & even they say that its a different way of life. Some like it & stay, others don't & move it. That way of life isn't for me.

Anyway, sorry to whoever started this thread. We have completely hijacked it. But I'm done with it now. So....

You'd have to be a dumb ass to take those odds on the Cowboys getting to the Super Bowl.

[House Divided RV]

Okay, what am I supposed to be chiming in on?

I have lived in both cities and generally prefer Dallas (off and on 10 years) over Houston (20+ years). However, I think most of that comes from growing up in Houston (Humble actually) and pretty much all of my family lives in the Houston area. On the other hand, I enjoy only being 1 hour from CS (went there last weekend for the baseball game), only about 1.5 hours from Galveston, and now only about 1 hour from Hallettsville. The 600 miles to Lubbock is definitely a downfall to living in Houston though.

There is a definite difference in the cities though. Dallas does have WAY TOO MANY Yankees and Okies in the city. After awhile, I got tired of talking to OU grads and people from NYC. I have been a Cowboy fan ever since I can remember but respect the Texans and hope they do well. I have been a life-long Astros and Rockets fan and I doubt that will ever change. I was VERY happy when Bud Adams left the city with the Oilers. I only wish he would have left the team name with the city for the future team.

Other than that, I really don't have too much to add. I do see myself moving back up to North Texas in the coming years but I doubt it will be into the Dallas area. It will probably be more to the West near FW or Granbury (maybe I will get a boat to go along with my RV).

[texag005]

I definately agree with you that they should've left the name when the oilers left.

[Vlyrock]

I missed the boat on this argument, so I'll say -- San Antonio Rocks! :)

[House Divided RV]

I am with Dustin on SA. I would like it if I could read the signs and remember my HS spanish classes. The only place I see as worse is Miami where I am a minority just being from the US and speaking English.

[phatbc]

EDIT: Don't diss san antonio. I take that as a personal attack on a city and its people and that is grounds for banning! :mad::p:undecided

[House Divided RV]

How else are we to keep this thread going! :)

[phatbc]

Good point HDRV.

I edited my post because its not worth ranting over.

[zrf2002]

How else are we to keep this thread going! :)

how about how austin sucks. way too may liberals and tsips.

[phatbc]

ok now I'll definitely hate on some liberals.

[Dustin00whoop]

I already said that about 2 pages ago. I bashed Austin, San Antonio, & Lubbock. I could keep going but El Paso, McAllen, & Corpus are just too easy. And whats left...Waco! I'll leave that for y'all to have fun with, but I'll help get you started. The only good thing about Waco is that if you decide to jump in the river to attempt suicide, you'll eventually end up in College Station.