Great article on VY

[KCAggie]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/060309&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2



Vince Young is clueless. And I'm not talking about his score on the Wonderlic test. I'm talking about his understanding of what it takes to make it in the NFL as a quarterback. Humility is the No. 1 ingredient.



Young's success in the NFL will hinge almost exclusively on his willingness to prepare. And that's exactly what Young's Wonderlic score and other curious decisions call into question -- his will to prepare and his level of humility.



Before any NFL owner gives Young a bunch of guaranteed dollars, the general manager better make sure Young is going to hit the film room and practice field just as hard as Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb and Tom Brady. The GM also should make sure that the head coach and offensive coordinator -- not some let's-hit-the-strip-clubs posse member -- have the ear of the quarterback.

[Pflugerville Ag]

Ouch. Everything he said is 100% accurate IMO.

[pabloknight]

That writer is a hypocrite.
Questioning Vince's willingness to prepare shows he didn't do his homework.
Vince worked his ass off last year before the season started, and led by example to his teammates with his work ethic, preparing for the season and the Ohio State game. What a clueless journalist.

I do agree that Vince's choice of agent and advisors is disturbing, and not good decisions. But you know what, he is loyal to his friends and family. He's not in it for shock value, like the writer of this article is.
To question his humility, based on his choice of agent, etc, is the pot calling the kettle black.

[Dustin00whoop]

That writer is a hypocrite.
Questioning Vince's willingness to prepare shows he didn't do his homework.
Vince worked his ass off last year before the season started, and led by example to his teammates with his work ethic, preparing for the season and the Ohio State game. What a clueless journalist.

I do agree that Vince's choice of agent and advisors is disturbing, and not good decisions. But you know what, he is loyal to his friends and family. He's not in it for shock value, like the writer of this article is.
To question his humility, based on his choice of agent, etc, is the pot calling the kettle black.

Pablo, I agree that VY did prepare & helped his teammates prepare to beat OSU & win the national title with all the workouts that he had during the summer.

However, you too have failed to prepare. Jason Whitlock is known nationwide as one of the best sportswriters out there. Just because you don't agree with what he is saying, doesn't make him wrong. And there is no denying, that since the Rose Bowl it has been one lack of prepartion mistake after another.

[pabloknight]

Actually, I didn't have to check his background as a Kansas City sportswriter or prepare for it. I am not writing an article for mass distribution.

I can and did, however, read the article, and his own words show he didn't do all his homework.
Of course, in op-ed pieces, you can pretty much say what you want, with no facts to back it up. I did that in one of my first columns out of college. And boy did it blow up into an inferno.

So, yes, in some respects he is wrong.

[GregH]

Paco, I guess using framented sentences was your specialty, huh?

[Aggie By Default]

Paco, I guess using framented sentences was your specialty, huh?

:eek: Nice!.....reps for that one

[dre1222]

Dude if you're going to critize someone's grammar, then you need to spell your words right. Besides, this isn't texags. As long as you can understand what he says, then who cares if the writing isn't perfect.

[CaliHornia]

Whitlock's on the money.

VY doesn't work hard, doesn't know the meaning of pressure, and has never played a meaningful game in his life.

This highly respected Whitlock fellow from the world renowned Kansas City Star (the big names in news all head there when they've made it in places like NYC and LA), whose op-eds consistently are declared gospel by sportsfans nationwide has, just like everyone else, nailed VY and the Longhorns of the total frauds that they are.*

His article here touches on a point you're just not hearing anything about right now--the fact that some have doubts about VY.

This article is f*cking art. It's inspired. It's new, yet hip, and with the times.

Sadly, our players are nothing but a bunch of coddled crybabies that wouldn't know hard work if it bit them in the ass.

It is only by luck and blind fate that despite all these sportswriters being completely and 100% correct that our players don't work hard, aren't pushed in practice and are soft, we still managed to beat A&M for the sixth straight time and win a national title.

* Since Dustin's such a big fan of Whitlock's he must agre that Willingham got thrown out as HC at Notre Dame just because he was black. http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=9732

[Dustin00whoop]

Funny that the only people that disagree with Whitlock are the fans of the team or person that he is writing negatively about. It always seems to work out that way. If all you got out of his article was, "VY doesn't work hard, doesn't know the meaning of pressure, and has never played a meaningful game in his life," then you clearly got way too mad before reading the entire thing. All he is saying is that the way that VY has conducted himself since the Rose Bowl isn't the way that NFL QBs generally act--especially NFL QBs who have yet to be drafted. Argue all you want, but there is no denying that his actions in the last couple of months (starting as soon as the final gun sounded to end the Rose Bowl) will cost him money come the last weekend in April. And if he continues to act irresponsible once he is drafted then he will fail in the NFL. The same thing would've been written about Matt Leinart had he conducted himself in the same manner.

[CaliHornia]

Funny that the only people that disagree with Whitlock are the fans of the team or person that he is writing negatively about.

Notre Dame was racist? You believed that?

The man also said rooting against the 2004 us men's olympic team was racist and unpatriotic.

Which I'm sure you also agreed with.

This guy wrote a piece of sh*t article that a dozen or more people had the idea to write before him.

The only guy that's written anything remotely original on topic is Stewart Mandel, who basically said if you've got questions about VY then you should talk to him and watch his film and talk to people that know him.

If you don't want to draft him after that, that's your business.

Young is going to have a hefty pocketbook when this is all said and done no matter what he does and he's going to have the chance to once again prove 99.999% of the sportswriters in the country wrong.

Naturally, Jason Whitlock will have all his credibility riding on the fact that not one f*cking person will remember him from the dozens of other columnists who questioned VY.

[Dustin00whoop]

And horns make fun of us for wearing maroon-colored glasses. All I can say is, "WOW!!"

[CaliHornia]

And horns make fun of us for wearing maroon-colored glasses. All I can say is, "WOW!!"

You're a riot, dude.

VY led our team to a national title in what objective sportsfans across the country called one of the better individual performances they'd ever seen in a game of that magnitude.

Naturally, we think highly of him. Naturally, we question folks who think he doesn't have "it." Naturally, we question folks that think he doesn't work hard.

You guys are all over Reggie's jock (again, after labeling him a cancerous tumor on your FB team) and you're all over McGee and neither of them's won anything.

Since Whitlock's so respected (especially by you) I'll just assume unless you say otherwise, that you are idiotic enough to agree with him all the time--you do think ND is racist and you do think that the folks that didn't root for a bunch of spoiled NBA players in the olympics were, too--and that you're not just picking this column where he's singled out a Longhorn for rought treatment to sing his praises.

[Dustin00whoop]

I'm a riot? Hell, then that must make you WWIII! First off, you should know better than to ever assume. Whether you agree with Whitlock or not doesn't matter when we are talking about how respected he is by his peers. His job isn't to be right 100% of the time, its to express his opinion & then defend it. He does a great job of this in this article & the majority of others that he has written. Labeling the 'stros dead back in June & then supporting why they were dead doesn't make Richard Justice (a sip by the way) a bad sports writer. Its just that the team proved him wrong. As for now the jury is still out on the VY case & only time will tell who is right. But regardless of the outcome, both are well written article that are strongly supported by facts.

And there is a huge difference between knowing the facts & simply blindly believing something while ignoring the facts. You continue to bash me & others who question, not VY's ability as an athlete, but rather his ability to make wise decisions off the football field. Yet, you never make any attempt to defend your stance on these points. You choose to make like a politician & argue only the points that you feel you can defend.

Oh, & I challenge you to find any post that I've made on this board supporting Reggie since knowledge of his problems came out. You will fail at that too. And I have never supported McGee's athletic ability (as a matter of fact, few have). We have simply stated that we like his attitude & his heart. OH, & that he outplayed VY on T+1, which he did.

[Dustin00whoop]

Well, Calihorn has made his weekly Thursday night trip to Aggiefans to stir up some **** & I thank him for that. My post count always increases drastically on Thursday nights. But I'm done with this conversation for tonight. My arguement has been made & supported & I'm tired of trying to hammer a nail into a diamond. Good night, now !

[CaliHornia]

I'm a riot? Hell, then that must make you WWIII! First off, you should know better than to ever assume. Whether you agree with Whitlock or not doesn't matter when we are talking about how respected he is by his peers. His job isn't to be right 100% of the time, its to express his opinion & then defend it.

YOU made the point that the only people that disagree with him are fans of whomever he is bashing.

Funny that the only people that disagree with Whitlock are the fans of the team or person that he is writing negatively about.

Is that statement right or wrong?

If it is right, do you agree with him on the other points?

Seems to me that you're saying a little more than just that the man is respected.

But regardless of the outcome, both are well written article that are strongly supported by facts.

Dude, that article is a piece of sh*t and you know it.

And there is a huge difference between knowing the facts & simply blindly believing something while ignoring the facts. You continue to bash me & others who question, not VY's ability as an athlete, but rather his ability to make wise decisions off the football field. Yet, you never make any attempt to defend your stance on these points. You choose to make like a politician & argue only the points that you feel you can defend.

Well, now I have to ask you if you read the article. Because his point is not that VY doesn't make wise decisions. It is that he's arrogant.

The guy equates making mistakes by choosing his agent and flubbing the wonderlic with arrogance. VY may well have been arrogant in some of his comments after the rose bowl--who wouldn't be?--but he's not indicated that he thinks the NFL will be a walk in the park.

If you want to argue over whether VY's made wise decisions, fine. But that's not Whitlock's point.

Again, if you believe that VY has had things handed to him on a silver platter, doesn't know the meaning of pressure or hard work, and doesn't understand that he has to prove himself in the NFL--all points Whitlock apparently believes--you're a moron. Simple as that.

Let's look at some of his facts:

Young thinks playing USC for the national championship was real pressure.

Do you really believe it wasn't?

The NFL doesn't recruit starting quarterbacks. It's not the Marines out looking for a few good men. When it comes to picking its quarterbacks, The League is Halle Berry on Oscar night. She can pick any designer she pleases, and the world's most renowned designers are just grateful for the opportunity to be considered.

Vince Young doesn't get this. He thinks joining the NFL will be similar to joining the NCAA. He mistakenly believes he's holding all (or most of) the cards, and that come April's draft some lucky GM is going to feel like a lottery winner when Vince Young stands next to Paul Tagliabue and pulls on a Saints or Texans or Titans cap.

So let's see. . .he took a redshirt year in college and he's said publicly he understands if he rides the pine while he gets ready for the NFL. So Whitlock missed that.

Apparently Young has said somewhere that whoever drafts him will be lucky. I missed that and the quote's not in the article.

You don't get the first half of the season to play your way into shape. It's not Major League Baseball, and Young isn't Roger Clemens. You don't get to stay at home with your family on certain road trips.

What does any of that have to do with Young, who worked out all offseason to get ready for last year?

Small forwards travel with posses decked out in white T's, bling bling and agents in sweat suits. NFL quarterbacks don't.

http://www.espn.go.com/media/pg2/2006/0309/photo/a_young2_195.jpg

Vince Young foolishly thinks that the Texas Longhorns and Mack Brown are more important than the Houston Texans and Gary Kubiak.

Again, is that a fact?

By the way, I love it when he called Peyton Manning humble. This is Manning, who never won anything at the college level (and now isn't winning in the pros), who told the Chargers not to draft him because he was too good to play there.

That's humble.

Let me ask you this--would it be fair, based on the "facts" we know to say that McGee with his unpaid parking tickets is arrogant? That he thinks he's above the law? That he doesn't have to play by the rules?

Would you agree with that if someone wrote it--it's based on a fact.

[TexAgFromCal]

I'm pretty sure it was Eli Manning who told the chargers he was too good to play there. But either way, if it makes your argument better, have at it.

[zrf2002]

this is just all too funny to me. this simple point of the article was that vy has not prepared himself for the process of being drafted and that may hurt him when it comes to draft day. noone is denying that he prepared very well before last season. he did and he had a great season. he has jsut not prepared himself very well and presented himself in a manner that most projeted high draft picks do. that is all.

[Dustin00whoop]

Exactly what I said, ZRF. But the attorney insists on arguing with a wall, regardless of whether he is right or wrong & that is why this thread derailed. Like I said earlier, check his track record. He does this every Thursday night. He finds a thread about a sip, then derails it.

[zrf2002]

oh well, at least it is fun to watch a sip go mad over a little rivalry talk. it is pretty entertaining at least.

[Dustin00whoop]

True dat...shouldn't you be on your way home...its after noon.