Racisim and Katrina [Archive]

dre1222

12-07-2005, 01:04 AM

I know this is like beating a dead horse, but now some of the victims are comparing the conditions of the Superdome and convention center to concentration camps.

Black survivors of Hurricane Katrina said Tuesday that racism contributed to the slow disaster response, at times likening themselves in emotional congressional testimony to victims of genocide and the Holocaust.

Were you in a concentration camp? No. THen you have no fing reason to even compare this to the Holocaust. Completely different situation, completely different circumstances.

“No one is going to tell me it wasn’t a race issue,” said New Orleans evacuee Patricia Thompson, 53, who is now living in College Station, Texas. “Yes, it was an issue of race. Because of one thing: when the city had pretty much been evacuated, the people that were left there mostly was black.”
The majority of the city was black.

“I was on my front porch,” Diane Cole French said at the hearings. “I have witnesses that they bombed the walls of the levee.”
Why would the govt bomb the levee and then spend millions of dollars cleaning it up?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10354221/

Vlyrock

12-07-2005, 01:16 AM

Sorry...but some of those New Orleans people should've stayed there and waited out the store IMO.

CHHS_Aggie

12-07-2005, 01:21 AM

Why is it that whenever something bad happens its always a race issue?

Gigem314

12-07-2005, 01:41 AM

Why is it that whenever something bad happens its always a race issue?
Because Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have to make their money somehow.

phatbc

12-07-2005, 02:45 AM

their mayor sure didn't help the situation and he's black! did anyone hear him in the pressconference when they asked him if he needed to open up any more shelters, but he said all they needed was the superdome because not many ppl were coming. A day later waves of displaced ppl crowded the building. there were other sounds clips I heard displaying his incompetence.

but here's the thing. no one was being rascist over this. all the agencies, politicians, etc (whether they care about black ppl or not) would want to look good and help ppl. But I believe they have even more compassion than that so I completely disagree that it was a race thing. Besides, the city isn't 100 percent black and even rascists would at least send aid to just the white ppl but that didn't happen. sorry, this is old news. moving on.

crying rascism at every turn just leads to more seperation because groups feel attacked and estranged.

Loftin

12-07-2005, 09:10 AM

Bombing the levees is a theory that Spike Lee had more than a month ago, and now some lowlifes with no credibility are coming out to tell the story. Basically, anybody worth anything in New Orleans got out, it's the lowlifes who stayed or infested Houston. Which brings me to a new point, Houston had the lowest crime rate in the nation for a city it's size before the Hurricane. Since then, New Orleans evacuees have started a steep rise in crime, including rapes and murders. I want this trash out of my beloved city. Move them to Arkansas or something.

texag005

12-07-2005, 09:24 AM

My point is, they had just as much of a chance to get out of the city before Katrina as anybody else did. I don't buy the oh i didn't have money BS. A group of them could've gotten together and pitched their money together and gotten out. These people are absolutely crazy. If we wanted genocide, we just wouldn't have come and got your sorry asses. I wish we wouldn't have, b/c they are doing nothing but creating problems everywhere they go. These people are the scum of the earth. I can't believe we're letting them testify before congress, oh wait yes I can we have liberal commy ass democrats up there who will do anything including bringing crack heads to washington to lie under oath to make our President look bad. My mother teaches in Grapevine and they have some evacuees at her school and she has/had one in her class and she said the kid is here living with a cousin b/c he already was living with his grandmother b/c his mother was nowhere to be found but when the hurricane hit his grandmother left him in NO and went to Atlanta. She said this kid is the most rude hateful kid in their school and we're talking about 4th grade here. I don't know I can't stand these people. Not only has the violent crime rate for Houston gone up but for every city that this trash has been brought too. I am ready for our state to be returned to the great state it was before we imported a bunch of **** in here. I say load all of em up on buses and ship em back to LA. THey don't want to go? Put a freakin gun to their head and say GET THE F#CK ON THE BUS or i'll send you on a much much longer trip. Ok i'm done, this topic just really really pisses me off.

Slotback

12-07-2005, 01:19 PM

Victim mentality.

AggieWill

12-25-2005, 01:22 AM

their mayor sure didn't help the situation and he's black! did anyone hear him in the pressconference when they asked him if he needed to open up any more shelters, but he said all they needed was the superdome because not many ppl were coming.

With all due respect, that may be the most BS comment I have seen online in awhile.

He told EVERYONE not to come to the Superdome before the Hurricane. He wanted people to come to the Dome ONLY IF THEY WERE HANDICAP or otherwise unable to care for themselves.

The mayor did a damn good job, imo, with Katrina. Hindsight is always a lot easier when dealing with such a storm.

If I hear one more idiot talk about the buses being flooded and then not tell me HOW the major was going to find space for those buses above land, drivers for them, or gas...or hell, 10,000 other reasons why the buses werent going to work...I will believe the mayor failed.

AggieWill

12-25-2005, 01:26 AM

Anyone saying that all New Orleans people are trash and whatever...are not just complete morons...but idiots as well. I am from New Orleans. The entire city is not full of the people you saw on TV. Quit being so damn ignorant and claiming everyone in New Orleans is uneducated, rude, and African-American. It's a joke.

I didn't leave New Orleans. Does that make me an idiot? I wanted to stay with my family. I didn't want to leave my house. I wanted to stay with everything that I owned.

Good lord..the only thing worse than the idiot blacks claiming racism due to Katrina are those using the myths created by katrina as facts.

Loftin

12-25-2005, 02:52 PM

Will, the difference between you and the people I was talking about is that you seriously want to rebuild the city and make it better. You have hope and a good attitude.

The "refugees" who are living off of government handouts and hiking the crime rate in Houston are the ones who are pissing me off. And yes, murder, rape, robbery and gang activity have increased significantly since Katrina.

phatbc

12-26-2005, 01:55 AM

With all due respect, that may be the most BS comment I have seen online in awhile.
With all due respect, I personally heard the press conference he held and they asked him point blank the day before the rush came, "Do you need to open up new shelters?" He said, "No, The superdome is doing fine and ppl are not really coming anymore, so we don't need any other shelters." Two days later the superdome was OVER FULL of ppl and the conditions sucked. Several ppl commented about this too, I'm not making it up. I'm sorry but he didn't do a good job. He failed his peeps in certain regards. I don't think he was the reason it was so bad, I think he was probably average, but in this instance he was COMPLETELY WRONG.

AggieWill

12-26-2005, 07:20 PM

Again, he never said that and I would like to see some actual proof of this completely made-up quote.

The only press-conference he had before Katrina dealt with telling people NOT TO COME to the Superdome unless injured, needy, or handicap.

It was all over CNN before the storm and Fox as well....couldn't have missed it even if you were deaf, blind, or stupid.

Just one more thing

In this case, city officials first said they would provide no shelter, then agreed that the state-owned Louisiana Superdome would open to those with special medical needs. Only Wednesday afternoon, with Katrina just hours away, did the city open the 20-story-high domed stadium to the public.

"Our main focus is to get the people out of the city," she said.
Callers to talk radio complained about the late decision to open up the dome, but the mayor said he would do nothing different.

"We did the compassionate thing by opening the shelter," Nagin said. "We wanted to make sure we didn't have a repeat performance of what happened before. We didn't want to see people cooped up in the Superdome for days."

www.wwltv.com (http://www.wwltv.com)

Whoops, there goes that

phatbc

12-26-2005, 07:30 PM

ok first of all you need to take a chill pill and cool off.

second of all, how dare you say that I completely made something up? I have no agenda, I could care less. I'm telling you what I heard.

third of all, I heard the press conference over a radio station from houston. Then some talk show guy replayed some of the quotes and commented about this very subject afterward. Theres no reason for me to make this crap up.

fourth of all, your quote above pretty much cements my case that the mayor didn't provide enough assistance or shelter before the storm for the ppl that couldn't get out. The overcrowding of the superdome was horrendous and the conditions were something that no one should have ever faced. Again, I'm not the only one of this opinion.

AggieWill

12-26-2005, 07:44 PM

second of all, how dare you say that I completely made something up?
You said you heard something that was never stated. Am I supposed to think otherwise?

third of all, I heard the press conference over a radio station from houston. Then some talk show guy replayed some of the quotes and commented about this very subject afterward. Theres no reason for me to make this crap up.
The Press Conference was played from 870AM in New Orleans. Everyone in the city was played it. He stated exactly what was posted above.

DON'T COME TO THE SUPERDOME. Unless you are handicap or injured or need special assistance.

Where do you get that he said "Do you need to open up new shelters?" He said, "No, The superdome is doing fine and ppl are not really coming anymore, so we don't need any other shelters."

There was never even remotely anything near this said....he kept telling everyone to stay away.

So yes, I do believe you made it up

phatbc

12-26-2005, 07:47 PM

Whatever you think, The mayor had the ultimate say and he made some failures.

On July 24, 2005, (http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012862.html) the New Orleans Times-Picayune published a story with the following lede:

“City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans’ poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you’re on your own.”

In January, the New Orleans Times-Picayune reported that local official knew of the inadequacy of the Superdome as a shelter of last resort. (http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012865.html)
Nevertheless, on Monday, Aug. 29th, as 10,000 arrived at the Dome, the New Orleans Times-Picayune reported: (http://www.nola.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1125283561138731.xml?nola)

“By 3 p.m., more than 10,000 people were either outside the Dome in long, deep lines or had made their way inside. Those with medical illnesses or disabilities were funneled to one side of the makeshift shelter, equipped with supplies and medical personnel. The other side was a place to ride out the storm.

“‘The people arriving on this side of the building are expected to fend for themselves,’ said Terry Ebbert, the city’s homeland security director. ‘We have some water.’”

The Office of Emergency Preparedness — immediately below the Mayor in the city plan — had no plan for sheltering the general public except for Red Cross shelters outside of the city, (http://www.archpundit.com/archives/012866.html) but there was no plan to help people get to those shelters.

It doesn't matter if he only told the injured/ill to come, he needed to be prepared for what happened. He was warned but didn't follow through.

phatbc

12-26-2005, 07:50 PM

does it matter that he said, DON'T COME TO THE SUPERDOME? So just cuz he said it, that means he did a good job, right. He's an idiot for not preparing for a mass of ppl to show up. He had an opportunity to provide for more shelter and more busses, BUT HE DIDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was his failure, I don't give a damn what he "said"

AggieWill

12-26-2005, 07:50 PM

Whatever you think

I am not thinking anything.

I am just laughing at what you apparently had heard which was never remotely what was stated.

It doesn't matter if he only told the injured/ill to come, he needed to be prepared for what happened.

Oh, so now it doesn't matter?

Interesting...you like changing tunes pretty quickly.

So easy to pin-point exactly what was needed right after the storm.

AggieWill

12-26-2005, 07:53 PM

does it matter that he said, DON'T COME TO THE SUPERDOME? So just cuz he said it, that means he did a good job, right.

Wait, because I stated that he didn't say that means that I am now saying he did a good job?

I just retorted what YOU said he stated...which was wrong.

He did many things wrong....but this hindsight talk is laughable.

The bus incident? Where was he going to get buses in 3-4 days? How was he going to keep those buses above water? Who was going to drive them? Gas?

Not everything can be figured out in 2-3 days. Whether people want to believe it or not, a city can't prepare for such a disaster...especially New Orleans with so many damn variables it is sick.

phatbc

12-26-2005, 08:52 PM

I am just laughing at what you apparently had heard which was never remotely what was stated.

what I said was not an exact quote but was VERY CLOSE to what I said. If I find it I will post it and that will be the end of that. You probably didn't hear it, its ok, you are human, you may not have heard everything the mayor said. But this really isn't worth talking about. Whats done is done.

Dustin00whoop

12-26-2005, 09:30 PM

Will, what the hell makes you think you know absolutely everything that Naggin said? Where you holed up as a little mouse in his pocket? Just because you were in the city doesn't make you an expert on this topic. Actually, it would probably make you less educated. We were sitting back watching things as they happened. You were trying to board up your house, stock up on supplies, & of course, were completely without means of communication in the days immediately following landfall.

AggieWill

12-26-2005, 10:18 PM

what I said was not an exact quote but was VERY CLOSE to what I said.

Right, well while every other piece of evidence points to him saying and SHOWING he said otherwise....you continue believing that.

AggieWill

12-26-2005, 10:23 PM

Dustin, how do you know what I was doing? Were you here while I prepared for the Hurricane?

Nagin addressed the city several times....everyone that was preparing heard the statements....870AM combined with the other stations once the Hurricane hit.

Nagin got in front of the city on 870 and preached....DO NOT COME TO THE SUPERDOME....DON'T! He repeated that several times. Unless you are injured or handicap, stay away.

We turn on CNN...they have several TV stories running on how the homeless population is ENRAGED at Nagin for not allowing them to come to the Superdome.

We turn on Fox...the media themselves are wondering...are we going to get into the Superdome?

Can anyone show me anything that says otherwise? I give you all proof of what he said. You all keep telling me you "heard it" while CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC....well...if it was so commonly said...show me something?

Please, quit trying to tell me (and anyone else from New Orleans that knows what happened) what our Mayor did and did not tell us

You sound ridiculous when your comments are not just in direct conflict with what he said but you have nothing but "Uh...I heard it...I sware....I promise I did"