Union for NCAA Players

[legelegel]

Is unionizing NCAA Division I athletics a viable solution?

It's all about an original comment to amateurism in college sports and how those in the ivory towers got trapped into being hypocrites and selling out for the money. They have been running commercial enterprises with amateurs in serfdom bound to the NCAA. How much longer can they keep their little Genie in a bottle?

Find the recent Duke Law study here (http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?57+Duke+L.+J.+727+pdf). Be sure to read the part on the history of the NCAA and it's relationships with the institutions and the athletes that starts on page 730 of the Duke Law Journal.


This Note considers whether college athletes—specifically Division I football and men’s basketball players—can utilize the protections of the National Labor Relations Act to form unions. The Note examines the history of the National Collegiate Athletic Association, considers whether National Labor Relations Board jurisprudence allows the application of the NLRA to college athletics, and evaluates the potential consequences of the NLRB certifying a union of college athletes. The Note argues that the NLRB should not allow college athletes to unionize, but should instead let Congress decide whether college athletes are “employees” under the NLRA, and, if so, how they should be regulated.

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?57+Duke+L.+J.+727+pdf (http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?57+Duke+L.+J.+727+pdf)

[hmiles619]

Is unionizing NCAA Division I athletics a viable solution?

It's all about an original comment to amateurism in college sports and how those in the ivory towers got trapped into being hypocrites and selling out for the money. They have been running commercial enterprises with amateurs in serfdom bound to the NCAA. How much longer can they keep their little Genie in a bottle?

Find the recent Duke Law study here (http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?57+Duke+L.+J.+727+pdf). Be sure to read the part on the history of the NCAA and it's relationships with the institutions and the athletes that starts on page 730 of the Duke Law Journal.


http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?57+Duke+L.+J.+727+pdf (http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?57+Duke+L.+J.+727+pdf)

Are unions the solution to what? These athletes ARE amateurs (except for the money they take from donors, but that's another story). They represent their university in exchange for a free ride through college, free training, free food, free books, free tutoring, etc.

The Universities are the ones that are in agreement with the NCAA. The Universities invest in facilities, invest in the athletes, and sign the television contracts that bring in the money. The NCAA is just the organization of the Universities. The universities are the ones voting and making the decisions every year. I don't see the problem here.

No athlete is forced to do anything that they don't want to do, they can join a professional league where they are paid, or they can go to college on a free ride.

[Pumchavas28]

:rep: for hmiles..

[legelegel]

Are unions the solution to what? These athletes ARE amateurs (except for the money they take from donors, but that's another story). They represent their university in exchange for a free ride through college, free training, free food, free books, free tutoring, etc.

Unions would provide collective bargaining and force the universities to pay the athletes what they are really worth to them. It's either that or Congress should pass legislation making athletes in college employees of the universities.

No one is made an amateur. Amateurism is forced on athletes in college for a reason.


The Universities are the ones that are in agreement with the NCAA. The Universities invest in facilities, invest in the athletes, and sign the television contracts that bring in the money. The NCAA is just the organization of the Universities. The universities are the ones voting and making the decisions every year. I don't see the problem here.


The creation of the NCAA is there for the benefit and protection of the universities. The NCAA provides very little to the athletes.

No athlete is forced to do anything that they don't want to do, they can join a professional league where they are paid, or they can go to college on a free ride.

An athlete out of high school cannot be drafted by either the NBA or the NFL. This rule was established by the owners of this two leagues to benefit both themselves and the universities. If an athlete choses to play college baseball it will cost him three years before he can play professional baseball.

I know what you are going to say, but leaving the United States is some option. :sad:

[PinetarAg]

Whats the big deal ...get over it

So now you are suggesting companies or ogranizations do not have prereq.'s for their employees. I wish the state of Texas did that, and I would have saved money and not have gone to college and recieve a degree to become a teacher. Maybe Police offers should not be required to have 60 hrs of college or 2 years military experience..

I'm sure to work in the front office of the professional organizations there is some minimum education requirement....I haven't heard of too many general managers or coaches for that matter come out of high school.

Why should they (athletes) be different and not be subject to a prereq for a job they want to preform?

How are the athletes above other employees?

[Pumchavas28]

:rep: Pinetar

[whitelightnin_23]

legel...your posts are making me laugh...thanks!

[Pumchavas28]

I think legelegel has an issue with the NCAA...

1st they are racist, now they do nothing but steal from players....

[hmiles619]

Unions would provide collective bargaining and force the universities to pay the athletes what they are really worth to them. It's either that or Congress should pass legislation making athletes in college employees of the universities.

No one is made an amateur. Amateurism is forced on athletes in college for a reason.

well hell, you think high schoolers could form unions? I know of a few good junior high players that would like to play for money.

[hmiles619]

An athlete out of high school cannot be drafted by either the NBA or the NFL. This rule was established by the owners of this two leagues to benefit both themselves and the universities. If an athlete choses to play college baseball it will cost him three years before he can play professional baseball.

I know what you are going to say, but leaving the United States is some option. :sad:

You're arguing like athletes should have a right to play in a pro league. There is no such right. Supply and demand will balance out. If there is a market for a pro league based on 20 year old, non college athletes, that league will form. It appears that there is no such league. Too bad.

[legelegel]

legel...your posts are making me laugh...thanks!

I'm glad, 'lightnin.

What was it that I wrote that tickled you so? If you want another laugh, I'll post it again.

[whitelightnin_23]

well...for one, your racist post in a thread you started that implied that the NCAA is racist...
(and that's just the latest example...I don't care enough to read any more)...
I heart irony.

[legelegel]

Tell me, 'lightnin, if for some reason black athletes stopped playing basketball and football and started excelling in golf, tennis, volleyball and God forbid baseball again, what do you think the NCAA would do.

I believe the colleges which control the NCAA would change the rules to establish additional financial incentives to stop the trend and to induce future skilled and talented black athletes back to football and basketball. Especially when fans stop filling the 80,000+ stadiums and they get tired of watching ivy league quality teams and white kids play under basketball rims they cannot touch.

[legelegel]

Once upon a time, the NCAA tried to keep the numbers of black athletes that you see on teams now down, because they feared it would kill the game and they were racists in part.

Now they make so much money on these same black athletes they cannot afford to let many of them play another sport that does not produce money for their pockets.