Mother Nature

[Pflugerville Ag]

Its been a crazy week of natural disasters on this planet.

First you have the devastating typhoon in Myanmar that has killed upwards of 100,000 people. Now you have the earthquake in China that has killed at least 8500 and probably a whole lot more.

Just goes to show you that no matter how technolgoically advanced this world gets, we will still never be in control of stuff like this.

[txags92]

I blame it all on global warming...despite the fact that there has been no "global warming" for almost ten years.

/Al Gore

[Pumchavas28]

Hasn't the US set a new record for Tornado's & the Tornado season isn't even over.... :sad: :wow:

[KCAggie]

Global warming may be a cause. Warmer weather causes warmer oceans which causes stronger storms. But it may also just be a one year fluke. If this happens for like 5 years in a row, then we can blame global warming.

[txags92]

Since the US temperature for the last few months is not anywhere near record territory and is very near the 1850-2000 average, I would find it pretty shocking if we could blame the tornados on warming. Which warming are we going to blame it on, since there hasn't been any "global" warming in the last 10 years.

[Pflugerville Ag]

Regardless of the cause, weather in general has been very odd all over the world the last few years. Just look at Texas...18" of snow on the coast on Christmas a few years ago, snow all over Texas in mid April on Easter last year, super cool and rainy summers, etc

[texags08]

Regardless of the cause, weather in general has been very odd all over the world the last few years. Just look at Texas...18" of snow on the coast on Christmas a few years ago, snow all over Texas in mid April on Easter last year, super cool and rainy summers, etc

I wouldnt really call any of these odd.... They all happened in the 80's... I remember in like 88 when i lived in galveston it snowed like crazy... of course i was only 3, but we have pictures...

[Pflugerville Ag]

I wouldnt really call any of these odd.... They all happened in the 80's... I remember in like 88 when i lived in galveston it snowed like crazy... of course i was only 3, but we have pictures...

Considering that the most snow that Corpus had ever had was one inch over 100 years ago, getting 18" is a little odd! A normal "big" snowfall for Houston or anywhere South in an inch or two, not over a foot.

[Pumchavas28]

It snowed in South Bama for the 1st time in like 30 or 40 years...

[KCAggie]

Since the US temperature for the last few months is not anywhere near record territory and is very near the 1850-2000 average, I would find it pretty shocking if we could blame the tornados on warming. Which warming are we going to blame it on, since there hasn't been any "global" warming in the last 10 years.

How has there not been any warming? The Earth has warmed 1 degree in the last 150 years, which doesn't sound like much, but is a pretty big deal considering the average temperature remained pretty much the same the. 850 years prior

[texags08]

Considering that the most snow that Corpus had ever had was one inch over 100 years ago, getting 18" is a little odd! A normal "big" snowfall for Houston or anywhere South in an inch or two, not over a foot.


True, the 18" is a lot more that they have ever seen...

[txags92]

How has there not been any warming? The Earth has warmed 1 degree in the last 150 years, which doesn't sound like much, but is a pretty big deal considering the average temperature remained pretty much the same the. 850 years prior

1998 was the hottest year on record, and temperatures have remained stable from about 2000-2006 and have declined since then. The global temperature anomaly for the first 4 months of 2008 is about 0.02 degrees above the 1850-2000 average. And you are 100% wrong about the earth being stable for 850 years prior. The earth was warmer from 1000-1300 than it is now and was much colder in the Little Ice Age around 1700-1850.

Al Gore's hockey stick showing the medieval warm period as cooler than today has been thoroughly debunked. The shape of the stick was completely dependent on a small series of bristlecone pine trees in the W US that contained "stripbark" samples. When a Canadian statistician used Mann's methodology and substituted random noise for all other series except the bristlecones, the calculation still came up with a hockey stick shape, and when we removed the bristlecones, the hockey stick shape disappeared. Bristlecone pines in the W US are great proxies for precipitation...not so much for temperature. Stripbarking on bristlecones causes growth anomalies that make the tree useless for proxy interpretation. A new collection of tree ring data from the same trees has recently been published, and they left out the strip bark trees this time. The result is no hockey stick shape. Sorry Al...

[Pflugerville Ag]

1998 was the hottest year on record, and temperatures have remained stable from about 2000-2006 and have declined since then. The global temperature anomaly for the first 4 months of 2008 is about 0.02 degrees above the 1850-2000 average. And you are 100% wrong about the earth being stable for 850 years prior. The earth was warmer from 1000-1300 than it is now and was much colder in the Little Ice Age around 1700-1850.

Al Gore's hockey stick showing the medieval warm period as cooler than today has been thoroughly debunked. The shape of the stick was completely dependent on a small series of bristlecone pine trees in the W US that contained "stripbark" samples. When a Canadian statistician used Mann's methodology and substituted random noise for all other series except the bristlecones, the calculation still came up with a hockey stick shape, and when we removed the bristlecones, the hockey stick shape disappeared. Bristlecone pines in the W US are great proxies for precipitation...not so much for temperature. Stripbarking on bristlecones causes growth anomalies that make the tree useless for proxy interpretation. A new collection of tree ring data from the same trees has recently been published, and they left out the strip bark trees this time. The result is no hockey stick shape. Sorry Al...

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[thissamguy]

There was a period of warmth after the last little ice age that was much warmer than it is now. It was a period of abundance; the crops did so well that the population surged rapidly. The earth will always be going through periods of warming and cooling...this is normal.

[KCAggie]

Quoted from NOAA: the idea of a global or hemispheric "Medieval Warm Period" that was warmer than today however, has turned out to be incorrect" and that what those records that do exist show is that there was no multi-century periods when global or hemispheric temperatures were the same or warmer than in the 20th century.

I actually forgot about the little ice age, and as stated above, the earth will always be going through periods of warming and cooling. I have never seen the Al Gore movie, as I see it as nothing but propaganda. Both sides exaggerate and I believe there is not enough scientific data to suggest if humans are the cause or not. Even if temps have remained stable over the last five years, there has been many dips in the overall rise of temperatures in the last 150 years.

[txags92]

That NOAA website is incorrect. Let me find the link, but somebody put together a list of proxy records showing a medieval warm period all over the planet. Mike Mann and his boys like to claim the MWP was in western Europe only as a way of downplaying its significance when they claim the current warming is "unprecedented". That claim, like their hockey stick has been thoroughly discredited.

I don't think you and I disagree on what reality is...Al is a snake oil salesman set to make a fortune if he can keep the propaganda train rolling for just another year or two. Unfortunately for him, mother nature is conspiring against him and the veil is being lifted from lots of eyes...

[KCAggie]

Both sides are always going to find a way to disprove the other. That is the nature of scientific research. 75 percent of the scientists out there have their research funded by big buisnesses, so their research is going to be skewed towards who's funding who. Out of the other 25 percent, I would be willing to bet that 20 percent are so biased to what they believe, that they are unwilling to look at the other side. That leaves like 5 percent who are willing to look at both sides. That is the same problem that I see with evolution.

[aggie1997]

I think it is the democrats fault.

[Chi Ag]

Its been a crazy week of natural disasters on this planet.

First you have the devastating typhoon in Myanmar that has killed upwards of 100,000 people. Now you have the earthquake in China that has killed at least 8500 and probably a whole lot more.

Just goes to show you that no matter how technolgoically advanced this world gets, we will still never be in control of stuff like this.

The technology is there...just dumbarse people ignore it...IMO, 50% of the human loss could have been prevented.

[Pumchavas28]

So basically Mother Nature is a BITCH.... :popcorn:

[whitelightnin_23]

I blame America. We are the capitalist demon.

[Thisjeffguy07]

did we just have a thread that was talking about the increase of natural disasters and the coming of the end in 2012 :undecided:

[legelegel]

The EF-4 tornado that went through Picher, Okla. and Missouri Saturday was on the ground two hours and traveled 74 miles - 29 in Oklahoma and 45 in Missouri. Seven are confirmed dead in the small town. 19 others died in MO, GA and AL in the tornado breakout. more (http://newsok.com/article/3242752)

[thissamguy]

That is the same problem that I see with evolution.

What problem is there with evolution?

[KCAggie]

Two sides always finding ways to disprove the other.

[whitelightnin_23]

What problem is there with evolution?

re-read the post & then see if your question is answered...

[texags08]

re-read the post & then see if your question is answered...

Wise words from the guru monkey...




He knows all!!!

[thissamguy]

re-read the post & then see if your question is answered...

I read the post, I just didn't realize that there are two sides to evolution?

[KCAggie]

Not two sides to evolution. I'm talking about creationism and evolution