Sherm "behind the curve"

[WesTxAg]

Sherm "behind the curve" in 09 recruiting according to the SA-Express News.

Also talks about Goodson's chance at being the first 1st-round pick from A&M in 6 years and an overall review of the last 15 years of talent in the football program


Meaning Sherman must start lighting it up on the recruiting front, and right now he’s behind the curve concerning the 2009 class.
A&M’s chief rival, Texas, already owns 17 verbal commitments, including nine four-star recruits and one five-star, according to Rivals.com. Since 1999, the Longhorns own 13 first-round draft selections – although none this year for the first time since 2003.



A bright last weekend, for sure, but not as bright as it could’ve been. Of the five, four were drafted between the fourth and seven rounds. In comparison, five years ago, four of the six selected were in the first two rounds.
That was the last time A&M had any real talent across the board – and the last time an Aggie was a first-round selection


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/big12/stories/MYSA.043008.AggiesInsider.EN.b29c7276.html

[texags08]

I dont think we are behind the curve... I think there is still plenty of time left to secure another top 25 class for '09...

[12th man fan]

If he's truly behind the curve, it's understandable.

And while recruiting is terribly important, it's not the end of the world if it's nbot the best recruiting class we've ever had this year. We've recruited better than tceh for several years, for example, but it hasn't showed up on the scoreboard.

I'll worry next year if it looks like he's having trouble recruiting.

[whitelightnin_23]

even some of the program's biggest "sunshine pumpers" are already getting "concerned" and looking for ways Sherm can "get creative"...

THAT kind of worries me a bit.

[Gravy]

We may not have what rivals considers talent, but damn it if they won't be disciplined. Shermans tardiness policy is evidence of that. I see a well disciplined team blowing most others out of the water.

[texags08]

We may not have what rivals considers talent, but damn it if they won't be disciplined. Shermans tardiness policy is evidence of that. I see a well disciplined team blowing most others out of the water.


This is true more than anything else... The most diciplined teams are usualy the ones that play more together, and therefore can beat teams with more talent...

[Mezentius]

I have mixed feelings about this. Of course we have less verbal recruits...we had a complete coaching regime change. I think how we play this season will have a huge impact on this years' class as recruits wait and see so to speak.

System speaks volumes about where a top recruit goes...

[KCAggie]

This is true more than anything else... The most diciplined teams are usualy the ones that play more together, and therefore can beat teams with more talent...

KU is a great example. Their recruiting classes are awful, yet they committ no turnovers or penalties and are very diciplined.

[texags08]

KU is a great example. Their recruiting classes are awful, yet they committ no turnovers or penalties and are very diciplined.


Good example... :rep:

[aggie07]

KU is a great example. Their recruiting classes are awful, yet they committ no turnovers or penalties and are very diciplined.

I love this point.:rep: . Also, look at Texas against us for the last three to four years. Are classes were not even close to theirs by rivals or socut. However, the past few games, we lost barely (they had vince young), and have beaten them twice. Same goes for OU.

[Conan]

Recruiting is so full of BS anyway. It's not a perfect indicator of anything.

[TexAg77]

Go three in a row over tu and get the tceh curse behind us and let's see how behind the curve Sherm will be.

[Pumchavas28]

Go three in a row over tu and get the tceh curse behind us and let's see how behind the curve Sherm will be.


True... but this isn't about wins... they are talking about recruiting... and while teams like KU have won with lesser talent... Lets not forget what their schedule looked like & what A&M's looks like... Lets not kid ourselves... Also KU ran a WIDE open Offense... something A&M will not...

Yeah A&M will throw more, but it wont be like KU, MU, or ttu.... It's going to be just a notch below OU & tu in terms of being wide open....

But when you don't run a gimmick scheme at the College level, you need the players to run it rated high or not... and currently if A&M is behind the power curve it's more so on the side of commitments... I could care less what ratings they have... if Sherm & Co want the kid, offer the kid then so be it.... Me, I'm more concerned at the lack of commitments... JMO.

[Pumchavas28]

I love this point.:rep: . Also, look at Texas against us for the last three to four years. Are classes were not even close to theirs by rivals or socut. However, the past few games, we lost barely (they had vince young), and have beaten them twice. Same goes for OU.


Not true... there have been cases where A&M has out recruited tu in the last 5 years.... and tu has only (supposedly) blown A&M away in recruiting once or twice since 2001.

[Mezentius]

I don't know the top 10 programs in the country generally have top 10 recruiting classes or close to it year in and year out. Look at the first round of this years draft...not too many non bluechips.

Kansas had one 10 win season...in the words of the Wolf, "let's not start sucking each others *(D*(s quite yet."

I'm not saying coaching doesn't matter because it does, but Sherman himself said his number one priority had to be recruiting. That being said don't forget tu has been recruiting some of these guys since last summer or earlier in some cases.

It will take him some time to get going.

[Pumchavas28]

Recruiting the top kids does not equate to Draft picks all the time... Developing those kids is when the draft comes in....

Some coaches (mack) try to recruit the best kids & don't do alot to develop them for the next level... Yeah they coach em up to be awesome College Athlete's... But once they go pro... their weaknesses are exposed....

For every 1 VY Mack produces, he produces 10 to 15 duds... Even then.... VY isn't something to brag about right now with the way he has played...

Talented WR's is not the reason he has failed or come close to failing (at the minimum he is mediocre right now)... Brady has never had a stud WR until Moss showed up.... No room for excuses in the NFL...

[12th man fan]

Some coaches (mack) try to recruit the best kids & don't do alot to develop them for the next level... Yeah they coach em up to be awesome College Athlete's... But once they go pro... their weaknesses are exposed....


I'm no Mack daddy fan, but be specific in telling us how Mack "coaches them up" to be great college atheletes without doing anything to develop them for the next level. His job is to put together winning college football teams. He loses his job if his college teams fail, no matter how many of his players go pro and/or succeed there.

What are the coaching characteristics of a college coach that tends to develop great college players who then do poorly in the pros???

[WesTxAg]

We may not have what rivals considers talent, but damn it if they won't be disciplined. Shermans tardiness policy is evidence of that. I see a well disciplined team blowing most others out of the water.
anybody else wait for the sarcasm to kick in or the :popcorn:?

i love the new gravy:gig:

I have mixed feelings about this. Of course we have less verbal recruits...we had a complete coaching regime change. I think how we play this season will have a huge impact on this years' class as recruits wait and see so to speak.

i get this but then why did pete carroll, a media bang-bus'd Nick Saban, or past-his-prime Steve Spurrier automatically start recruiting stars? I guess our ex-NFL coach is more like Dave Wannstedt or Bobby Petrino in that recruiting will come with more time. I also think this season will speak louder than anything else as to how we recruit, but like you, I have mixed feelings about this thus far
KU is a great example. Their recruiting classes are awful, yet they committ no turnovers or penalties and are very diciplined.
just to be honest, I don't wanna be KU. To be eventually dominant in the B12 South and compete nationally we need talent, good coaching, and discipline

[Pumchavas28]

I'm no Mack daddy fan, but be specific in telling us how Mack "coaches them up" to be great college atheletes without doing anything to develop them for the next level. His job is to put together winning college football teams. He loses his job if his college teams fail, no matter how many of his players go pro and/or succeed there.

What are the coaching characteristics of a college coach that tends to develop great college players who then do poorly in the pros???

Well... maybe not Mack.. but his Assistants do & that is why they win their games....

[WesTxAg]

another sherm article about discipline

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3373291

[karl_burns]

I don't know the top 10 programs in the country generally have top 10 recruiting classes or close to it year in and year out. Look at the first round of this years draft...not too many non bluechips.

Not even Rivals agrees with this....http://nfldraft.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=801863

5-Stars 5
4-Stars 10
3-Stars 7
2-Stars & lower 9

I would call 4 & 5 star recruits coming out of high school "blue chips". Technically, they comprised less than half of the first round picks..
I was shocked to see that....

[whitelightnin_23]

Not even Rivals agrees with this....http://nfldraft.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=801863

5-Stars 5
4-Stars 10
3-Stars 7
2-Stars & lower 9

I would call 4 & 5 star recruits coming out of high school "blue chips". Technically, they comprised less than half of the first round picks..
I was shocked to see that....

:rep: for the link...

I'm sure that's probably why many coaches think rivals and other "ranking systems" are full of sh!t

[Mezentius]

Peter Carroll had some NFL talent on campus already....and he got Norm Chow which brought the NFL talent on offense...

How many of those what 15 four and five stars were top 10 picks? Point being nearly half the first round was blue chippers....we have few blue chippers on campus.

Watch the Ohio State v. USC game and tell me recruiting doesn't matter. Watch the last two national titles and tell me the same thing.

It's by no means everything but its probably the single most important thing...good solid across the board talent. I would say that Sherman has his eyes on this given his initial comments....

coaching guys up is key but you got to have something to work with.

[texags08]

You are failing to see that just because Rivals or whoever has them ranked at a 3 star doesnt mean that they arent talented... They might not have had the right coaching in HS to live up to their potential, so if we are recruiting 3 and 4 stars that can be made into 5 stars then why is anyone complaining...

[DCAggie]

Recruiting obviously does matter. It'd be crazy to say that having talent in general isn't necessary. You're probably not gonna win the nat champ w/ the 35th ranked class. The problem is, while A&M hasn't had top 5 classes, we have had top 25 recruiting classes, but not top 25 teams.

I don't think that Sherman can suddenly put us on top, but he should have the talent on campus to get back in the top 25, and that's where it's got to start. At this point, why would we get the top 5 talent? But if we can get back in the top 25 on the field, which we have the talent to do, the program will be more sellable, if that's a word, to the top recruits. It seems like it's got to be a more incremental process.

[Mezentius]

I think RC was the master of the diamond in the rough...I mean how many folks went to the NFL at a position completely different than what they played in HS...Holland, W Thomas, Marcus Buckley, T Murph, etc.

I just don't think you can make your living consistently hoping for that. It's like playing every single hand in poker hoping to get something on the draw. At some point you have to bring in guys that are obvious once a decade type talents at their position for a program.

Fran just didn't do it...Martellus is the only one that comes close in my opinion.
Throw in a gimmick offense and you have the makings of a recruiting quagmire that Sherman will have to fight through in a big way this season.

My expectations are a top 15 recruiting class 3 out of every 4 years at the very worst. We have the resources and are located in a talent rich state, it shoudl be attainable.

We've had a lot of solid guys...warrior types, high energy types. But not a ton of guys that make you say wow..I think Sherman can and will change that.

[oklacityag75]

And I guess Fran was ahead of it.....Give me a break. We have not played a down, yet and the sky is falling.

All these chicken little types need to sip tea in austin.

[MarylandAG]

The man hasn't even coached a single game and people are down on him, :undecided:

Just win baby! Everything else will fall into place!:gig:

[Pumchavas28]

And I guess Fran was ahead of it.....Give me a break. We have not played a down, yet and the sky is falling.

All these chicken little types need to sip tea in austin.

No one is saying the sky is falling.... But people are concerned that kids High on A&M are going else where... WHY??? No one knows... all we can do is guess & wonder....

Granted Rivals usually gives A&M the shaft in ratings..... but they don't go to extreme's... They wont knock a 5 star down to a 2 star just because of A&M.... And when Rivals is showing a kid like Loston (5 Star & #1 at his position) high on A&M & then he goes else where... you have to wonder what happened....

Obviously the staff wants the right people for their systems & what they want to run... but more than likely when you are ranked #1 at your position, you should be good enough to fit into almost any system & in most positions you could probably even start DAY 1....

[oklacityag75]

Pumchavas28 said,

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Obviously the staff wants the right people for their systems & what they want to run... but more than likely when you are ranked #1 at your position, you should be good enough to fit into almost any system & in most positions you could probably even start DAY 1....
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Like a Willie Williams or a Ryan Perrilloux...or even a Mo Dampier...???...

Also to make a statement like..." But people are concerned that kids High on A&M ..." what you are really saying is that you and these other people do not believe Coach Sherman and his staff know what they are doing.

Never judge the book by looking at the cover. I think the coaches may have a better insight to what they need and what pieces they are trying to fit together.

[Pumchavas28]

Yeah thanks for putting words into my mouth.... :bored:

And as for bringing up Willie Williams or Perrilloux... would you like me to run a list of #1 Players who HAVE panned out????

If you do let me know.... It wont take long.... Way to try & ride the coat tails of 2 recent failures... For every 1 idiot who fails, there are several who pan out at least at the college level....

Nice try though....:)

Also what's with the http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif... is your post all of a sudden important???? :laugh:

Here... I'll add a http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/images/icons/icon3.gif.... Just for you....:)

It's the off-season dude... Folks can have an opinion about recruiting or anything if they want....

God forbid we are concerned.....

It's cool to worry & complain about recruiting classes & what they look like when they are in the Top 25.... but when they are far from that.... lets all stand pat & just let the chips fall as they may....

[Aggiefan]

I think RC was the master of the diamond in the rough...I mean how many folks went to the NFL at a position completely different than what they played in HS...Holland, W Thomas, Marcus Buckley, T Murph, etc..

Hate to rain on your parade, but Thomas & Holland were recruited during Sherrill's HC years.

[Mezentius]

Damn you Aggiefan you rained on my parade with your facts:sad:
I stand corrected, though I thought it was RC that brought Holland in or it might be the crack I'm smoking.

[muybonita]

And as for bringing up Willie Williams or Perrilloux... would you like me to run a list of #1 Players who HAVE panned out????

If you do let me know.... It wont take long.... Way to try & ride the coat tails of 2 recent failures... For every 1 idiot who fails, there are several who pan out at least at the college level....
Just post the list the list without trying to be a smarta##.

[Aggiefan]

And as for bringing up Willie Williams or Perrilloux... would you like me to run a list of #1 Players who HAVE panned out????

If you do let me know.... It wont take long.... Way to try & ride the coat tails of 2 recent failures... For every 1 idiot who fails, there are several who pan out at least at the college level.... .

I'm anxiously awaiting the posting of the list.