Be objective: Put the Big XII South in order

[WesTxAg]

If I had to be completely objective about this: I wouldn't be putting A&M very high. I think all but one team in the south goes to a bowl game and still has the slight edge over the north overall because of depth. My list isn't going to be popular, but I don't think a lot of people will be able to argue against it, it's virtually bullet proof, this is how it will end up. You can try to challenge this list, but you'll have to come up with something good...that's right, I'm gonna be cocky about it and basically challenge someone to come up with a good argument against any one of these picks....

1) Oklahoma -- really good QB, best D in B12-S, consensus pick
2) Texas Tech -- experience QB, best playmaker in B12 period, D improved
3) Texas -- experienced QB, always a contender, best OLine, improved D(schedule: home vs. O$U, A&M)
4) Oklahoma State -- really good QB, tons of offense, not a very good D(schedule: @tu, home vs. A&M)
5) Texas A&M -- first year of sherm era, will improve(schedule: @ O$U, @tu)
6) Baylor -- scary ankle-biter, first year of briles, will be a contender in a few years



:popcorn:

[Pflugerville Ag]

1. OU
2. Tech
3. Tie b/w A&M and t.u.
5. Okie State
6. Baylor

[Pumchavas28]

1 OU
2 ttu
3 A&M
4 o$u
5 tu
6 bu

:popcorn:

[zrf2002]

1. OU
2. Tech
3. Tie b/w A&M and t.u.
5. Okie State
6. Baylor

i will second this list....

[WesTxAg]

1 OU
2 ttu
3 A&M
4 o
5 tu
6 bu

:popcorn:
pum-

i think ive wanted to put tu down that low for a long time now....but when was the last time tu finished 5th in the south? has it ever happened? highly-touted, healthy OLine, imrpoved D with Muschamp, veteran QB & typical talent, home games vs.a&m & o$u....how do they finish behind new-regime'd A&M?

[WesTxAg]

1. OU
2. Tech
3. Tie b/w A&M and t.u.
5. Okie State
6. Baylor
o$u has A&M at home
tu has o$u & A&M at home

[zrf2002]

o has A&M at home
tu has o & A&M at home

and who won the last time a&m played in stillwater and austin????? oh yeah, that's right, the AGGIES DID!

[WesTxAg]

and who won the last time a&m played in stillwater and austin????? oh yeah, that's right, the AGGIES DID!
that's nice, i'd like to believe that we'd do that again...but both wins were on the last drive of the games

one was against a fish qb and while we may have dominated their DLine that day, we only scored 12 points. we're with a new coach, new system so anything above 7 wins is icing for first year program. let's not get too high and forget about 95-03(ish?) in austin. one win in a-town doesn't erase my memories of the previous 10 years there. muschamp doesn't get outschemed like the previous DC

the o$u game, JTrain saved the day by pulling a barnem & bailey stunt catch and red bryant breaking hearts on a mammoth play. o$u plays much better at home & has the ability to put up sill amounts of points on the board. when they play at home, they compete with ou, they go up by 28 points on tu, & they beat tech

[KCAggie]

1. ou
2. tech
3. tu
4. and 5. will be the winner of a&m and osu - i think both will have same record
6. baylor

[WesTxAg]

1. ou
2. tech
3. tu
4. and 5. will be the winner of a&m and osu - i think both will have same record
6. baylor
that's basically what i thought too....and since it was in stillwater, i gave the edge to them

[zrf2002]

that's nice, i'd like to believe that we'd do that again...but both wins were on the last drive of the games

one was against a fish qb and while we may have dominated their DLine that day, we only scored 12 points. we're with a new coach, new system so anything above 7 wins is icing for first year program. let's not get too high and forget about 95-03(ish?) in austin. one win in a-town doesn't erase my memories of the previous 10 years there. muschamp doesn't get outschemed like the previous DC

the o game, JTrain saved the day by pulling a barnem & bailey stunt catch and red bryant breaking hearts on a mammoth play. o plays much better at home & has the ability to put up sill amounts of points on the board. when they play at home, they compete with ou, they go up by 28 points on tu, & they beat tech


sounds like you are categorizing wins by how they occur.... to me, it doesnt matter, a win is a win in these cases considering our last coach.... we still won those two games, but i expect more from sherm and the new staff... i think 7 wins would be ok, but not great. i am thinking 8+ wins for the upcoming season....

[WesTxAg]

sounds like you are categorizing wins by how they occur.... to me, it doesnt matter, a win is a win in these cases considering our last coach.... we still won those two games, but i expect more from sherm and the new staff... i think 7 wins would be ok, but not great. i am thinking 8+ wins for the upcoming season....
somewhat i guess....i ask why we won....they were new under gundy, tu was new with colt and had just lost a lot of people to draft

o$u i think has the adv. because they can score like tech and our new D will be improved but won't look impressive. we won't hold the ball like we did under fran & we won't be explosive. we also play them early and that will ultimately decide it b/c we will still be going thru the learning curve.

we have great attitude against tu and we've never been scared to play in austin with the players who are on this roster right now but i don't think we're going to be able to run on a tu D with muschamp with the headset on. I think it's just realistic to give tu the advantage in austin, especially when you expect your offense to sputter and have growing pains in year one

[zrf2002]

i can see where you are coming from..... i just dont see o$u being anything other than what they have been for as long as i can remember, especially while they are coached by a man who is 40..... they will take a few games every few seasons that they have no business winning, but overall, they will be mediocre at best.... i certainly hope that sherm will get us over the mediocre status we have been in for the last 5-6 years.... regarding tu, i am not saying we will or will not win that game, but as you and eveyone else knows, absolutely anything can happen in that game....

[aggie1997]

Looks like we all agree with who will be at the top and at the bottom of the list.

[4thgenerationag]

1 OU
2 ttu
3 A&M
4 o
5 tu
6 bu

:popcorn:

2nd

[Pumchavas28]

pum-

i think ive wanted to put tu down that low for a long time now....but when was the last time tu finished 5th in the south? has it ever happened? highly-touted, healthy OLine, imrpoved D with Muschamp, veteran QB & typical talent, home games vs.a&m & o....how do they finish behind new-regime'd A&M?


I think tu will lose to ttu, A&M, OU & could lose to o$u.... JMO.

This isn't the same tu other teams feared.... No one in the Big XII is afraid of them & for good reason....

[WesTxAg]

i can see where you are coming from..... i just dont see o being anything other than what they have been for as long as i can remember, especially while they are coached by a man who is 40..... they will take a few games every few seasons that they have no business winning, but overall, they will be mediocre at best.... i certainly hope that sherm will get us over the mediocre status we have been in for the last 5-6 years.... regarding tu, i am not saying we will or will not win that game, but as you and eveyone else knows, absolutely anything can happen in that game....
they finished with the same conf. record as us last year, return an explosive offense and will get the home-field advantage....im not saying we can't win that game, we can....im tempering my bias and excitement for my own team tho with the odds. i don't like a team who is on the same level to play on the road against that team in the other team's house, why? because odds are in the home-field advantage and with an offense/defense that knows that system, especially in an earlier conference game. i will EXPECT us to go and win that game and win it well in the 3rd year.

[Mezentius]

OU
tu
A&M
Tech
OSU
Baylor

[WesTxAg]

i guess a REAL challenge would be to predict the order of the finished SEC-East...holy balls....

[Agnlaw]

1. A & M

[Burnetaggie99]

OU
TT
TU
A&M
OSU
Baylor
The more I think about it this could be the year Tech wins the big 12 South and overall Big12 Championship.:sad:

[KCAggie]

tech still needs to learn to play defense before they can win the south and they won't beat OU in Norman.

[dragonag517]

1. OU
2. tu
3. tt
4/5 OSU - A&M
5. Baylor

I don't think tu rebuilds they will reload. They have been hauling in top blue chippers over the years and their depth is outstanding. With Muschamp as DC I think he can make up for any lost players through scheme and game day decisions. tick may have an improved defense but they were attrocious to begin with. I won't believe their defense is for real until they prove it. I think we go 8-4 next year and that's not going to be good enough for 3d.

[Burnetaggie99]

That the only reason I have ou in first but tech did beat them last year. Tech's defense is decent enough to win the big 12. I don't think many teams go outscore them anyways which is why the can win it all.

[dragonag517]

I beg to differ. tech's defense IS NOT good enough to win the big 12.

[whitelightnin_23]

I beg to differ. tech's defense IS NOT good enough to win the big 12.

under their new D-coord (who came in mid-last year)...you might be surprised...:popcorn:

[dragonag517]

I agree they improved, no argument there. But they'll have to prove it. :popcorn:

[Mezentius]

As our defense has proven the last few years returning players does not always equal returning talent.

[Fxalaweed]

wasnt he the d-cord when mizzou blew them out or when the sips made the comeback? pirate boy and his band of misfits focus way too much on the O side of the ball

[Loftin]

1. OU - this might as well be the pick every preseason, they are simply a level above the rest of the conference when you look at consistency. Murray and Bradford will only be sophomores, so expect the nightmares for the rest of the Big XII South to continue.

2. Texas Tech - Crabtree, year 2. The fact that Harrell and the O-Line are coming back also make them scary. If this defense could play just above average, they can beat anybody.

3. texas - I think we'll still beat them, but they'll have a better record. Vondrell McGee is really good and will have a breakout season, IMO. Their new DC is a good one.

4. Texas A&M - we are loaded at skill positions, and the defense should get a lot better. However, we have to completely rebuild the o-line, which IMO is the most important part of any football team.

5. Oklahoma State - They lost a lot of talent this year (Reid, Van Zandt, Bowman, Savage), but they should still be good. This is without a doubt a "make or break" year for Gundy.

6. Baylor - I think Art Briles was an outstanding hire, but not even Vince Lombardi could have this team competing in year 1. They still have a ways to go.

[TexAg77]

Sorry, when it comes to the Aggies, I can't be objective. That's why I never bet on them.

1. OU - Class of the South until someone knocks them off
2. A&M - We have the talent, now we also have the coaching
3. tu - Have talent but Cart is no leader
4. Tceh - should be better but this team just finds a way to screw it up
5. OSU - could be a dark horse
6. BU - Their Baylor, nuff said

[muybonita]

1. OU, no explanation needed.
2. ttu, get the sips in Lubbock and the Ags can't figure out a way to beat them.
3 A&M, easier schedule than the sips and fran and co. are gone.
4.tu, tough schedule, no difference makers at QB, RB, TE, or WR. Meaning there is no VY, Charles, David Thomas or Roy Williams on the roster. OL is still inexperienced and DT ain't as good as they have been in the past.
5. OSU, Gundy is still there and several big name players are not.
6. Baylor, no explanation needed.

[Mezentius]

I know a lot of people are high on Tech because of the returning QB, crabtree, what folks think is a better defense (I'm not sold on the d yet).

I can't help but think the loss of their slot/possession recievers will hurt them. How many key first downs were caught by those bizatches that just left? Crabtree gets the pub and the highlights but their version of grinding it out is the 8 yard in and who do they have that's proven can run that route when they get in a dogfight?

I think Sherman will run the ball effectively against them ala OU and tu in years past and that will tighten things up...I just get the feeling that better teams are starting to figure out the spread attack enough to slow it down.

[texags08]

The gimmick that is TTU will not amass to anything this year... They will be the biggest letdown of the conference with KU coming in sencond, i doubt they will put up the wins they did last year...

1. OU
2. tu
3. A&M
4. tie btw TTU and OkSt
6. BU