Mma

[WesTxAg]

An MMA league and CBS close to a deal

per USA Today


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2008-02-28-mma-cbs_N.htm?csp=34


i know this probably isn't a popular opinion but this is horrible for what was left of the moral fiber shown on tv

i don't wanna turn the channel on a MAJOR NETWORK and see people bashing each other's face on a blood-stained mat. it doesn't bother me that people my age would see that, but this is what our kids and our kids kids are going to see now when they change the channel and grow up watching as the 'norm' for tv.

edward r murrow is turning in his grave somewhere

[whitelightnin_23]

have you watched primetime tv lately? CSI Dexter, etc show a lot worse than two well trained athletes in a sport of strategy...

let's not get into what is on MTV 24 hours a day...

I think this could be a good deal for a rising sport! :gig:

[whitelightnin_23]

i know this probably isn't a popular opinion but this is horrible for what was left of the moral fiber shown on tv


which begs the question...what IS left of the moral fiber shown on tv???

cosby went off the air a looong time ago.

[WesTxAg]

let corporate america reign!!!!!!!!!! whatever sells, right?

i guess the idea that if it's on network tv, it's probably okay for the family to watch is gone(im not really sure what you're saying, white, about the whole csi or dexter thing...)

let's turn every channel into mtv. don't sell your soul to the devil....for the wrong price

you're right, white, there is no moral fiber left in america, just the allusion of it

[Loftin]

I saw something on ESPN about a year ago or so and they were discussing MMA. In the US, there have been ZERO deaths and ZERO paralyzed competitors in MMA. That makes it safer than boxing or football.

I think a competitive sport with rules is what kids need to see. I think the "be sensitive, everybody's a winner" crap is what's harmful to children.

[whitelightnin_23]

let corporate america reign!!!!!!!!!! whatever sells, right?

i guess the idea that if it's on network tv, it's probably okay for the family to watch is gone(im not really sure what you're saying, white, about the whole csi or dexter thing...)

let's turn every channel into mtv. don't sell your soul to the devil....for the wrong price

you're right, white, there is no moral fiber left in america, just the allusion of it

1) nice sarcasm ;)
2) the CSI/Dexter comment is more from a "pure gore" perspective...if you're worried about exposing kids to gore, then network tv is not your place...at any given moment (on CSI), you can see the inner workings of an autopsy or a graphic crime scene...
3) that's not what I'm saying (turn every channel into mtv)...but let's face it...most kids watch mtv...it's not like the "old days" when network tv was free to everyone (most everyone now has cable)...and that's what everyone watched...

[WesTxAg]

I saw something on ESPN about a year ago or so and they were discussing MMA. In the US, there have been ZERO deaths and ZERO paralyzed competitors in MMA. That makes it safer than boxing or football.

I think a competitive sport with rules is what kids need to see. I think the "be sensitive, everybody's a winner" crap is what's harmful to children.
i usually like ur posts and respect your opinions, loftin, but that comparison is laughable at best and you should know that

fewer competitors, fewer games = fewer freak accidents like a kevin everett incident

the main factor here is intent. the intent in football is not to harm the guy you line up against. come on...you've got to see the difference b/w football and boxing & mma.

im pretty sure that is ONE of the reasons why boxing and mma are on PPV. i think it should be kept there.

ive never seen someone on tv say, the cowboys lost tonight....but they're still a winner...for the record, i don't totally understand where you were going with that

[whitelightnin_23]

boxing is not on regular tv (like it used to be w/ "Friday Night Fights" back in its glory days) because it is not popular.

MMA is getting more popular than boxing (if not already)...so the natural progression to network tv.

[WesTxAg]

1) nice sarcasm ;)
2) the CSI/Dexter comment is more from a "pure gore" perspective...if you're worried about exposing kids to gore, then network tv is not your place...at any given moment (on CSI), you can see the inner workings of an autopsy or a graphic crime scene...
3) that's not what I'm saying (turn every channel into mtv)...but let's face it...most kids watch mtv...it's not like the "old days" when network tv was free to everyone (most everyone now has cable)...and that's what everyone watched...
i like sarcasm, it's a pithy device:cool:

i understand i am the minority, which is why my opinion is being squeezed out by the corporations making these decisions, and in effect, making the money


i don't like seeing violence on network(people beating each other senseless, a rape, etc etc), i get uneasy when i hear the word G*D*, i cringed the first time i heard b*tch on tv, and im generally concerned about the "gatekeepers" of the content distributed by tv and their motivation--most of the time is $$$$.

[Loftin]

i usually like ur posts and respect your opinions, loftin, but that comparison is laughable at best and you should know that

fewer competitors, fewer games = fewer freak accidents like a kevin everett incident

the main factor here is intent. the intent in football is not to harm the guy you line up against. come on...you've got to see the difference b/w football and boxing & mma.

im pretty sure that is ONE of the reasons why boxing and mma are on PPV. i think it should be kept there.

ive never seen someone on tv say, the cowboys lost tonight....but they're still a winner...for the record, i don't totally understand where you were going with that

There are thousands and thousands of MMA matches every year, and still no deaths. I think the only reason boxing is on PPV is that Don King figured out he could make more money that way. MMA is on PPV because it's still relatively new.

My comment on "everybody's a winner" had nothing against football. Football is great for kids, like all sports.

[whitelightnin_23]

i don't like seeing violence on network(people beating each other senseless, a rape, etc etc), i get uneasy when i hear the word G*D*, i cringed the first time i heard b*tch on tv, and im generally concerned about the "gatekeepers" of the content distributed by tv and their motivation--most of the time is $$$$.

for the record, I do agree w/ you (morally)...:rep:

but I don't feel MMA is really all that bad...as far as a self-defense tool...it is probably one of the best...
when (as in boxing) do fights (in real life) stay standing up? Most of the time, they go to the ground. I think this is a good option for kids as far as learning self defense. Also, many of the people who fight are VERY disciplined (which is something I will teach my kids)...

As in anything, it takes an active parent to sit there with their children (age appropriate of course) & explain the good in it...

[WesTxAg]

There are thousands and thousands of MMA matches every year, and still no deaths. I think the only reason boxing is on PPV is that Don King figured out he could make more money that way. MMA is on PPV because it's still relatively new.

My comment on "everybody's a winner" had nothing against football. Football is great for kids, like all sports.
im not sure if there really are 'thousands and thousands' of sanctioned mma fights or how you came to that stat or how you would know out of all those 'thousands and thousands' of fights how you know none of them have ended that badly...the few that ive watched i would assume blood loss and a concussion were immediate post-fight problems

my whole point as to why mma is bad for network tv and the primetime placement & why it upps the level of overall violence on tv is because of the intent and demeanor of the competitors, the accessibility(channel: network stations), and the time placement.

i think because of these factors it is inappropriate to throw these types of programs at these times on these stations.

[WesTxAg]

for the record, I do agree w/ you (morally)...:rep:

but I don't feel MMA is really all that bad...as far as a self-defense tool...it is probably one of the best...
when (as in boxing) do fights (in real life) stay standing up? Most of the time, they go to the ground. I think this is a good option for kids as far as learning self defense. Also, many of the people who fight are VERY disciplined (which is something I will teach my kids)...

As in anything, it takes an active parent to sit there with their children (age appropriate of course) & explain the good in it...
hey man, im a big fan of that last statement. i hope that one day i am congnisant of these every-day decisions, but it's not helping the single mom who's busy cookin' dinner AND trying to get her stuff done as well as the other domestic things that need to be taken care of. i'm not trying to say i understand what a person like that or any other parent experience when trying to safeguard things like this issue for their kids, i just think that this decision by cbs only creates more problems

honestly, i used to like boxing because of the DISCIPLINE that is on display and the strategy. maybe part of my dislike overall for mma is because it usually ends up with one guy sitting on another bashing the other guy senseless while the defenseless guy bleeds enough for the ref to call it.

i love self defense and those different forms (i really liked that show on versus where those two guys went around the world to learn different forms of it), but when i see mma, i don't see what it was essentially made to accomplish: bring together all the elite fighting forms together and their fighters to create an ecclectic blend of self defense tactics and hopefully good, strategic fights.

[hmiles619]

well I guess the market will decide whether it is appropriate or not....

If you think about it, MMA would be less dangerous than boxing and less dangerous than football.

As far as how many sanctioned fights there are in a given year... there are dozens of mma leagues. Each of those leagues has many competitors who would "fight" more than once a year. I don't think that number is a stretch.

[hmiles619]

maybe part of my dislike overall for mma is because it usually ends up with one guy sitting on another bashing the other guy senseless while the defenseless guy bleeds enough for the ref to call it.

have you seen a mma fight lately? These aren't the old cage fights. These are legitimate bouts between two well trained men.

And you want to talk about bashing one guy senseless, talk about boxing. They take a lot more shots than the mma guys. I guarantee the continuous blows to the head is more dangerous than one that knocks you to the ground.

[WesTxAg]

ive never said that i think boxing is appropriate for primetime network tv ...im not sure why it's being used as a 'well if that used to be okay, then this is too' excuse


and ya, i used that example because that was how the last fight i saw (i was up at wild wings apparently on a fight night) the dude lost a dangerous amount of blood as the announcers really got concerned at one point. not sure what league it was, it was the one in the black octagon i think?

[hmiles619]

i just used boxing because it's a comparable sport and you said you used to like boxing

[WesTxAg]

i just used boxing because it's a comparable sport and you said you used to like boxing
i watched a contender marathon....not the best way to spend 1/2 a day but oh well, ive made worse decisions

[hmiles619]

so your argument is that MMA is too violent to be shown on network tv four saturdays per year? and you're upset about it more than you're upset about any other show on network tv nightly?

[WesTxAg]

so your argument is that MMA is too violent to be shown on network tv four saturdays per year? and you're upset about it more than you're upset about any other show on network tv nightly?
1) it sounds like you're playing 'just the tip' with that argument--j/j:laugh:. four saturdays/year turns into once a month into a weekly show...i don't see that rationalization as valid

2) im not upset or irrate or anything like that. this is a problem i don't have to deal with now, i think it's just another sign of our decline as to what we consider entertainment

3) i haven't been exactly stoked about a lot of the things that have been put on tv in the last 10-15 years. in no way am i saying that THIS is what has diminished our culture or is the climax of our crappy entertainment choices. just so you know, i havent been trying to sensationalize this story, ive just been defending my position.

[hmiles619]

1) it sounds like you're playing 'just the tip' with that argument--j/j:laugh:. four saturdays/year turns into once a month into a weekly show...i don't see that rationalization as valid

2) im not upset or irrate or anything like that. this is a problem i don't have to deal with now, i think it's just another sign of our decline as to what we consider entertainment

3) i haven't been exactly stoked about a lot of the things that have been put on tv in the last 10-15 years. in no way am i saying that THIS is what has diminished our culture or is the climax of our crappy entertainment choices. just so you know, i havent been trying to sensationalize this story, ive just been defending my position.

yeah, wasn't trying to make an argument about it, just a friendly discussion (we're on the same page)

See I would disagree with you about the "decline" of our entertainment, or the "diminish"ment of our culture. I think we're constantly improving. :gig:

[Loftin]

As far as how many sanctioned fights there are in a given year... there are dozens of mma leagues. Each of those leagues has many competitors who would "fight" more than once a year. I don't think that number is a stretch.

UFC, Pride, King of the Cage, WEC, and IFL are all major leagues. There are also tons of small regional leagues that sanction fights.

MMA is a disciplined form of competition just like any sport. It's not the free-for-all side show that people think it is. Also, at least in the bouts I've seen, about half of them end by submission, not somebody pounding somebody's face. And, just like in boxing, if a fighter appears to be unable to defend himself, the referee calls the fight and it's over.