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Pumchavas28
01-07-2008, 08:33 AM
While unlikely.....
What if... just for the sake of CONVO....
What if, the New OC, kept the exact same offense we have had the last 2 to 4 years, but ran it better???
If you think about it, when ran properly & balanced, no one ever really stopped it...
What killed us was inconsistent play calling & our Defense unable to stop teams from scoring for 4 full quarters....
I know some of ya'll will probably say :bored: .... But again.. this is just for Convo... don't get your panties all twisted....
Other than bad management of personnel & mismanagement of the play selection, what really was so bad about our offense???
Wild Turkey
01-07-2008, 08:46 AM
What killed us was having a very poorly designed passing scheme. Les and Fran had absolutely no idea how to get anyone open.
nwhag
01-07-2008, 08:49 AM
One thing I do hope the new offense has in it, is some version of the spread. I think in this day and age, the spread is being incorporated at the high school level, and the transition would be smoother. Also todays athletes fit into the spread a lot better then other offenses. We can also use the WCO, but there should some form of the spread too. I really hope our new` OC has some idea od running it, as I only see WCO personnel (coaching).
aggie1997
01-07-2008, 08:52 AM
All year I felt we basically had two different schemes. When we played well we ran a more attack style offense. Then other times we played a more conservative style. I like the aggressive style offense and think it could produce, but it does need to be cleaned up.
Agnlaw
01-07-2008, 09:16 AM
What killed us was having a very poorly designed passing scheme. Les and Fran had absolutely no idea how to get anyone open.
I paid a lot of attention to this last year. It isn't that receivers aren't getting open, they are. Sometimes, they don't catch balls that they should. More often, open receivers don't get the pass (the QB either runs the ball or tries to hit someone who is buried by defenders). As I've said before, and lost rep over it thank you, is that McGee simply isn't great at finding the open man down field.
Pumchavas28
01-07-2008, 09:20 AM
As I've said before, and lost rep over it thank you, is that McGee simply isn't great at finding the open man down field.
:rep: for getting neg rep....
That doesn't warrant it IMO...
But I think the problem McGee has is the lack of practice or lack of focus on the passing game....
Had he had more practice or the game plan been more balanced... I don't think it would have been as much of a problem.... JMO.....
Agnlaw
01-07-2008, 09:23 AM
"Had he had more practice or the game plan been more balanced... I don't think it would have been as much of a problem.... JMO....."
Thanks for the rep & good point. It isn't like Fran was trying to prep McGee to throw down field.
Pumchavas28
01-07-2008, 09:31 AM
I think once Sherman gives McGee proper practice & focuses more on a balanced attack, McGee will see a very huge increase in his passing numbers...
Having said that...
He's already 6th in Aggie History in Passing Yards. 6th in Pass Attempts. 5th in Pass Completions. 6th in Passing TD's, & #1 in Completion %.
It's not like he's been completely horrible... and IMO that says alot about his ability despite the lack of focus on a passing game the last 2 years...
Can you imagine how scary he could be if Sherman focuses more on a balanced attack & helps him more...
It's pretty damn hard to put up those kinds of numbers when our offense has been run right, run left, run up the middle 80% of the time...:gig:
Agnlaw
01-07-2008, 09:42 AM
I'm surprised by the completion percentage factoid. 58% isn't wildly impressive. In any case, McGee is clearly more than adequate to win football games with the right coaching.
aggie1997
01-07-2008, 09:49 AM
I realize there is a big difference between high school and college, but anyone who watched McGee lead his team to two state finals knows that he is a very good passer. I believe his problem has basically been the game plan. We have turned him into a run first type of QB.
Pumchavas28
01-07-2008, 09:50 AM
I thought the same thing... I wasn't overly impressed with the actual %, but when coupled with the amount of running plays A&M had & lack of focus on a passing game... I think he could easily improve on that in a heart beat.
armyscout
01-07-2008, 11:28 AM
i like being a running team. i hope we stick to that gameplan, but we have to have a passing threat.
Gravy
01-07-2008, 12:22 PM
the same offense with better playcalling would be fine. It is defense that still needs work.
Vlyrock
01-07-2008, 01:11 PM
Agreed, fix up the defense and we're Big XII champs 2 of the last 3 years.
Pumchavas28
01-07-2008, 01:13 PM
The thing with the defense is I don't know if it's one of three things...
1) Lack of execution on players part
2) Lack of preparation on coaches part
3) Lack of good play calling on coaches part
or just all 3 :sad:
Vlyrock
01-07-2008, 01:16 PM
I think one major hole was the scheme. We had no real blitz package. If we did blitz, it was a corner from the outside. Rarely, if ever, did we bring a linebacker up the middle. I don't recall major stunting or any special blitzes...it was just work hard on the DL and try to get pressure.
Watching Auburn and other defenses, you see linebackers crowd the line, time a run to get a jump up the middle, blitz a safety up the middle -- but you don't see that with us. I'm hoping it shows up next year.
pearland aggie93
01-07-2008, 01:18 PM
how bout we DO the offense we did against texas???
it worked didn't
and if it's not broken don't fix it
whitelightnin_23
01-07-2008, 02:08 PM
Rarely, if ever, did we bring a linebacker up the middle.
it didn't work one time...so we probably scrapped it...
Remember when J. Warren was supposed to blitz up the middle in the '06 tech game??? At least I'm pretty sure that was a middle lb blitz call...
Pumchavas28
01-07-2008, 02:10 PM
Yeah it was & had he blitzed, A&M might have won that game... :sad:
KCAggie
01-07-2008, 02:13 PM
We have to have a passing attack. No matter how good your defense is, teams are going to put up points in today's college football game. Look at some of the best D's in the league like LSU and OU and how many times they gave up some big numbers. It doesn't matter if we control the clock for 75 percent of the time when the other team is able to score in less then 3 minutes.
dragonag517
01-07-2008, 04:14 PM
What killed us was having a very poorly designed passing scheme. Les and Fran had absolutely no idea how to get anyone open.
Agree 100% that was our problem on offense. I liked the offense fine, I thought it was pretty fun to watch actually. Had we been able to pass I think it would have been Katy bar the door with Goodson and Lane as running threats.
However, with Sherman touting NFL credentials and hiring NFL as well as college assistants he's pretty much bound to run a pro-style offense. The NFL connection is where A&M now has an edge in talking to recruits. We run pro style ball, with pro coaches and if you've got the physical skills we'll teach you what you need to know to play on Sundays.
If Sherman goes with the Zone Read then he would kill the central recruiting message.
I like the Zone Read fine, it's plenty successful around Div I, but we're headed in a different direction now.
Burnetaggie99
01-07-2008, 04:24 PM
From what I understand is we will be a West Coast offense but will keep some Spread formations and a little option.
Loftin
01-07-2008, 05:22 PM
Fran's playbook was fine. It was his random playcalling and complete situational unawareness that got him fired. I like the option offense, when it's run in a way that works best for our personnel.
Fxalaweed
01-07-2008, 06:45 PM
i've only seen the a&m Mcgee not the hs version, for one I have not been very impressed with the passing part, yes yes he has a nice comp % but when that comp comes majority of the time to the check down man that's not impressive. I'm not sure what kind of offense he ran in hs but maybe his hs wr's were all just awesome and ours are all horrible or maybe he just passed to shipley all the time but i doubt any of those are the case. I blame part on playcalling i blame alot on qb b/c EVERY play if executed correctly can work. I've seen countless over/under thrown balls to wr's or open wr's not seen that's soley on the qb no way around that on the other hand i've seen lots of drops which i know hurts the qb's rythmn so I dont expect a 100% passer. What i've heard is like what's already been said is that we'll have a wc style with some option spread stuff thrown in. I hope the best for Mcgee's shoulder and good recovery and this spring will give JJ a good chance to grow as a Qb learning from some good O guys and I hope Mcgee does all he can to help him to be the next big guy. Gig'em:gig: sorry for the essay post
Burnetaggie99
01-07-2008, 07:10 PM
McGee played in a Spread offense for 3 years. It was like Southlake Carrol's Offense or Mizzou's offense. He spread the wealth to his WR's, TE's and RB's in HS, not just Shipley. His freshman year in HS which no recruiting services even list his Stats he was a Flexbone option QB before Bob Shipley Took over for Ed Abernathy. That offense was similar to Air Forces. This is the offense I played in at Burnet. We were balanced most of the time. McGee his freshman year had about 1,800 Yards passing and about 700 yards rushing in that offense and went to the playoffs but got beat by Bellville in the Area Game.
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