Orgeron to tu

[dragonag517]

I just heard Mack Brown will hire Ed Orgeron to accompany Muschamp. I think tu is stacking the coaching deck. Orgeron has a big history of putting players into the NFL.

[phatbc]

:sad: they are doing what I thought we would be doing.

the best assistants in the nation...thats what Sherman's paycut was for...

[dragonag517]

Well, one could say it seems tu and A&M are in a game of one-upsmanship when it comes to coaching perhaps. I don't know.

However, I have heard that Orgeron does have off the field issues that could be a high risk proposition for Mack and company. Wait, sorry, I keep forgetting they have a phalanx of expert lawyers that get that stuff taken care of.

Never mind, Orgeron is perfect for tu. Remember though, Orgeron, while he was good at USC, didn't work magic at Ole Miss. So, we'll see how that turns out over there.

Also, regardless of what you think about our new staff, I think we can safely expect an Aggie team that is well coached in the fundamentals of blocking and tackling and teams well prepared for each game. I also think we'll see a staff that can make adjustments on both sides of the ball much more quickly than what we saw last year.....where sometimes it would take an entire half of football before we adjusted our schemes.

[jagowar]

still you have to admit phat is right.... our hires thus far have been very "meh" just like sherman. not to mention liucci and the other "insider" folks spun the meh sherman hire that he would get the best assistants around the country to come here.

really i dont mind not getting orgeron but losing out on muschamp over especially to get somebody like herring is a huge blow.

[The Massacre]

tu needs to hire the best. their secondary has been THE SUCK the last couple of years.

[dragonag517]

still you have to admit phat is right.... our hires thus far have been very "meh" just like sherman. not to mention liucci and the other "insider" folks spun the meh sherman hire that he would get the best assistants around the country to come here.

really i dont mind not getting orgeron but losing out on muschamp over especially to get somebody like herring is a huge blow.

Oh I'm not arguing Muschamp wasn't a marquee name hire. Try this on though. Maybe we offered Muschamp and Muschamp turned us down. Why would he do that you ask?

I would say, maybe because he realizes if he comes here he would be risking his reputation if things don't work out. At tu however, he has alot more talent and a team that has the potential to be Big 12 champs if the defense improves a bit. If he makes those adjustments at tu, brings their secondary up to standards, his chances of being offered a HC job shortly thereafter go up, vice coming to A&M and having a more difficult time of it for several years.

[The Massacre]

seems like a legit argument, dragon.

i hope this new coaching staff proves me wrong. just seems like the individuals hired for our assistants are average, at best. i thought our new staff would hire some of the game's best. i have been disappointed so far. i'm sure Sherman knows more than me about football so i'll probably be wrong, but was just hoping for more.

of course, i wasn't excited at all about Sherman's hire...well...except for the fact that it would be someone other than Fran.

[Slotback]

really i dont mind not getting orgeron but losing out on muschamp over especially to get somebody like herring is a huge blow.

I disagree to a point. I would have liked to have had Muschamp, but getting Herring is also fine with me. Mario Williams was on the NCSU team whose defense was #1 in the nation. The DC was Herring. Arkansas ponied up big money to pry him away. He is a good coach.

[dragonag517]

Massacre, I completely understand where you're coming from. I believe, from what I've heard, some of the coaches that will be hired weren't necessarily Sherman's first choices. Some declined for various reasons.

I would say this though. Besides Mangino, how many KU coaches could the "well informed" name on that staff? Yet, look what they did. A 12-1 record out of no where. Granted their schedule was favorable both OOC and in conference, still they proved themselves in a big way against a tough Va Tech team. So, I think the big lesson is, if you can teach fundamentals, get a coherent game plan going with proper athlete development, anything is possible.

If you recall, Fran was a "big splash" hire and look how that turned out.
:gig:
Cheers!

[jagowar]

I disagree to a point. I would have liked to have had Muschamp, but getting Herring is also fine with me. Mario Williams was on the NCSU team whose defense was #1 in the nation. The DC was Herring. Arkansas ponied up big money to pry him away. He is a good coach.
From what Ive read herring only had that one really good year at NC State and his other defenses have been pretty average (but the insider folks bring that up all the time making it look like his whole career he has coached dominating defenses... the whole spin thing i hate about almost all of the insider guys).

Now he could turn out to be good (im not denying that) but I would be much more optimistic if he had awesome defenses year in and year out. Because the DC position imo was the biggest hire sherman needed to make (since hes an offense guy) he will be relying on the DC to run the defense.

[Chi Ag]

The O-man was good in a good system (USC). He may not fair as well at TU. Subsequently, some of our hires may not be as successful and A&M.:sad: Being an ex coach, I used to believe that coaching was more than 50% of a team's success. However, I am beginning to realize that it really doesn't matter how good a coach you are if you don't have quality players. I have changed my weighting from 50% to about 30%. Let's face it, a monkey could have coached TU in 2005 and won. Same for the NE Patriots now. Just my opinion. A coach won't make sh*t taste like vanilla.

[The Massacre]

Massacre, I completely understand where you're coming from. I believe, from what I've heard, some of the coaches that will be hired weren't necessarily Sherman's first choices. Some declined for various reasons.

I would say this though. Besides Mangino, how many KU coaches could the "well informed" name on that staff? Yet, look what they did. A 12-1 record out of no where. Granted their schedule was favorable both OOC and in conference, still they proved themselves in a big way against a tough Va Tech team. So, I think the big lesson is, if you can teach fundamentals, get a coherent game plan going with proper athlete development, anything is possible.

If you recall, Fran was a "big splash" hire and look how that turned out.
:gig:
Cheers!

ku's schedule was sick easy and that va tech team they played was not very good at all, i think. had they played georgia or wvu, they would have got THUMPED easily.

like i said though, i'm curious to see how they perform and it's a clean slate. just not who i thought was going to be hired.

[The Massacre]

A coach won't make sh*t taste like vanilla.

well the talent level of players at A&M now is light years ahead of what it was when Fran came here, so let's hope that helps out.

[dragonag517]

I think a coach can be THE difference when you have evenly matched teams on gameday. I think a coach can be a difference maker in getting his players to play at levels above their heads. I've only coached pee wee league, nothing you would call significant, but I think coaches are a big part of the whole thing.

[dragonag517]

ku's schedule was sick easy and that va tech team they played was not very good at all, i think. had they played georgia or wvu, they would have got THUMPED easily.

like i said though, i'm curious to see how they perform and it's a clean slate. just not who i thought was going to be hired.

Agreed KU's schedule was easy. However Va Tech was 11-2 on the season, split games with BC, lost to BC first time on a last minute TD pass but beat them in the championship pretty handily, beat #16 VA, Fla State, Miami and #22 Clemson. The big loss was to LSU 2d game of the season. Maybe not the toughest schedule in the NCAA but they beat 3 ranked teams. Certainly tougher than KU's schedule. So, I would disagree they weren't good.

And like you before we pass final muster on KU it will be interesting to see what happens next year with a tougher conference schedule. They return essentially the same team. They lose 3 starters from the offense and 1 on D.

[Loftin]

Eventually, tu will figure out their defensive recruiting has sucked. They've been playing musical coordinators every year trying to get a winning combination.

[whitelightnin_23]

Let's face it, a monkey could have coached TU in 2005 and won.

I resent that! I would NEVER coach for tu!!!

;)

[Slotback]

I resent that! I would NEVER coach for tu!!!

;)

Unless of course you were being swayed by 7 digits....then it would be your dream job.:laugh:

[muybonita]

The O-man was good in a good system (USC). He may not fair as well at TU. Subsequently, some of our hires may not be as successful and A&M.:sad: Being an ex coach, I used to believe that coaching was more than 50% of a team's success. However, I am beginning to realize that it really doesn't matter how good a coach you are if you don't have quality players. I have changed my weighting from 50% to about 30%. Let's face it, a monkey could have coached TU in 2005 and won. Same for the NE Patriots now. Just my opinion. A coach won't make sh*t taste like vanilla.

The Dallas Cowboys went to sh** 3 years after Jimmy Johnson left. Switzer had essentially the same talent Johnson did. Gotta disagree with you. OU sucked until Stoops got there and he won a MNC with lots of John Blake's players as starters.

[muybonita]

Eventually, tu will figure out their defensive recruiting has sucked. They've been playing musical coordinators every year trying to get a winning combination.

Especially these guys: Roy Miller, Ben Alexander, Rod Muckelroy, Sergio Kindle, Jared Norton, Deon Beasley, Curtis Brown, Chykie Brown, Russell Carter, Andre Jones, Keenan Robinson, Christian Scott, Earl Thomas, Ben Wells, Sam Acho, Lamarr Houston, Eddie Jones, Brian Orapko, Aaron Lewis. Our Aggie coaches would have gladly signed any of these guys if they would have come here. I think your post is a little farfetched. tu's defense will be plenty salty next year whether you want to admit it or not. But I have faith in Sherman to overcome. Their musical chairs at DC helped get them a MNC.

[muybonita]

I just heard Mack Brown will hire Ed Orgeron to accompany Muschamp. I think tu is stacking the coaching deck. Orgeron has a big history of putting players into the NFL.

Name some players he has put into the Pro's.

[The Massacre]

tu's defense will be plenty salty next year whether you want to admit it or not.

i have seen several tu defensive players head to the NFL in season's past while their defense has been terrible. they have had some talent on D, but they still sucked it up. in the 2ndary especially. not sure why you think their defense will be good next season.

[Pumchavas28]

i have seen several tu defensive players head to the NFL in season's past while their defense has been terrible. they have had some talent on D, but they still sucked it up. in the 2ndary especially. not sure why you think their defense will be good next season.


I was thinking the same thing.... their last 2 defenses were ranked in the 100's, yet their players are getting drafted....

But I'll say this... Mack Brown is feeling pressure.... Regardless of our Win/Loss record, losing to OU & A&M is not a good thing in t-sipville.... If it happens again, there very well could be an uprising in Austin.

[Loftin]

Name some players he has put into the Pro's.

From Ole Miss: Patrick Willis, Trumaine McBride, Tre Stallings

As assistant HC and recruiting coordinator at USC: Mike Williams, Mike Patterson, Shaun Cody, Lofa Tatupu, Matt Cassel, Kenechi Udeze, Jacob Rogers, Keary Colbert, Will Poole, Carson Palmer, Troy Polamalu, Justin Fargas, Kareem Kelly, Malaefou MacKenzie, Kris Richard, Chris Cash

[Pumchavas28]

muy(not so)bonita just got OWNED!!!!!!

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[Aggiefan]

I just heard Mack Brown will hire Ed Orgeron to accompany Muschamp. I think tu is stacking the coaching deck. Orgeron has a big history of putting players into the NFL.

Orgeron will end up at Auburn before he ends up at tu. Position coach is too much of a demotion. Orgeron and Tuberville are good friends.

[muybonita]

From Ole Miss: Patrick Willis, Trumaine McBride, Tre Stallings

As assistant HC and recruiting coordinator at USC: Mike Williams, Mike Patterson, Shaun Cody, Lofa Tatupu, Matt Cassel, Kenechi Udeze, Jacob Rogers, Keary Colbert, Will Poole, Carson Palmer, Troy Polamalu, Justin Fargas, Kareem Kelly, Malaefou MacKenzie, Kris Richard, Chris Cash

Why don' t you just list the DL he coached at USC and the players he coached at Ole Miss. The other players at USC were not directly under his tutelage. You're list would then be accurate and a hell of alot shorter. Still think tu's defensive recruiting sucks after I listed some of their defensive recruits to help refresh your memory.