Dean

[AWolf02]

So who here thinks Dean recommits next weekend?

I give it 80% chance.

[hmiles619]

who's dean?

[hmiles619]

http://store.hollywoodwax.com/images/james%20dean%2011x14%20canvas%20giant.jpg

[Pumchavas28]

50/50.....

It all depends on what happens afterwards when he talks to Rick from UCLA.....

[Burnetaggie99]

:gig:

[karl_burns]

Would love to seee Dean recommit. Remind him this is where he wanted to go initially, and that we now have TONS of NFL coaches here to develop his skills.
But I'd still say 50/50.

[hmiles619]

who's dean? :popcorn:

[The Massacre]

aundre dean (RB). committed to A&M, de-committed, committed to ucla, and then decommitted from ucla i believe.


http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/search.php?searchid=243781&photoplog_searchinfo=1&photoplog_searchquery=dean (http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/search.php?searchid=243781&photoplog_searchinfo=1&photoplog_searchquery=dean)

[dragonag517]

I am hearing that Dean will give the Aggies a serious look between now and Feb.

[muybonita]

who's dean?

Jimmy Dean the sausage magnate/guru.:(

[bb-]

I rather have Cyrus Gray.

[Wild Turkey]

I'd take Dean over Gray and especially over McMuffie.

[dragonag517]

I'd take Dean over Gray and especially over McMuffie.


:gig:

[Burnetaggie99]

Gray is no longer look at us. He has trimmed us off his list. It's either going to be Dean or Sam or nothing at all.

[Pumchavas28]

I want Dean for us....

[BuddyB]

Interesting Observation...Today on the TxAg's home page Dean is being featured in the Maroon and White Recruiting spotlight. I was under the assumption that this feature was just reserved for the commits...

[Pumchavas28]

:rep: for 1st post....

and yes you are right.... they normally save that spot for commits....

[BuddyB]

Was just informed by another poster on that website that the "spotlight" has included recruits we are pursuing...maybe I'm getting anxious:gig:

[DCAggie]

Isn't Gray more likely at this point? The coaching change is definitley making the last month of recruiting exciting.

And welcome, by the way.

[BuddyB]

Thanks for the welcome...I'm planning to hang here as well as 2 other forums I monitor. Talk I hear from somebody well informed that we will be getting committments from both Dean and Gray. Both of them in the same backfield (Dean as the "I" back and Gray in the slot) would be an awesome combination and would fit the pro style offense Sherm plans to employ.
And if Gray is recruited he will be unparalled in A&M football history as a kick returner.

[KCAggie]

Cool. :gig:

[Pumchavas28]

And if Gray is recruited he will be unparalled in A&M football history as a kick returner.

Something I wish Goodson would do....:sad:

[DCAggie]

Thanks for the welcome...I'm planning to hang here as well as 2 other forums I monitor. Talk I hear from somebody well informed that we will be getting committments from both Dean and Gray. Both of them in the same backfield (Dean as the "I" back and Gray in the slot) would be an awesome combination and would fit the pro style offense Sherm plans to employ.
And if Gray is recruited he will be unparalled in A&M football history as a kick returner.

I definitely wouldn't complain about that.

Dorman, Gray, Dean, Fuller, and Johnson would make a pretty good set of O skill guys out of just one class.:gig:

[Fxalaweed]

Pum-from what I've heard on the team and from him he wants to return punts and kicks but there were issues with the coaches about his durabilty taking the hits you get in those situations

[Pumchavas28]

Quick question.....

Should the Ags sign both Dean & Gray... what then becomes of Stephens????:popcorn:

Could he ride the pine like I initially said was a possibility???

What are the chances of him beating out Gray, Dean, Tarrant for a Starting spot after Goodson & Lane go Pro...

Or any other RB recruited after Gray & Dean????

:popcorn:

I've been hoping I was wrong, but with Dean & Gray becoming more & more likely to sign with A&M.... I think it's becoming more & more evident that Stephens could very well fade away & or transfer.... JMO...

If he can't be a starter... at least use him on Returns or Special Teams coverage...

Use him for something... No sense in having him just sitting there....

[Pumchavas28]

Pum-from what I've heard on the team and from him he wants to return punts and kicks but there were issues with the coaches about his durabilty taking the hits you get in those situations


I know he wanted to do it... but injuries are part of it.... Having Goodson returning Punts would have been far better than JP or Holland (Nothing against either one of them)...

Besides.... he's a RB... taking big hits is part of the position... They take hardest hits of anyone on the field.... and that hasn't stopped other programs from putting their RB's back there...

[DCAggie]

Why do you assume that Stephens would be the guy to lose out in that battle for the starting slot or playing time? All of those guys are unproven and only Tarrant has seen the field.

[Pumchavas28]

I assume that because of what's been reported..... Both have talked on Rivals & Scout about early playing time... and the system A&M runs fitting in nicely with both of them...

Stephens (Other than a few early articles I brought up), seems to be the odd man out....

Again... I hope I'm wrong... but I just don't see Stephens beating out either Dean or Gray... JMO.

[BuddyB]

Good chance that Dean and Gray will be redshirted this year...Talk from the team has it that Stephens is the BEST back on the squad and just waiting to go when the redshirt comes off this fall. Rumor has it that he was out perfroming and running circles around Goodson in practice this past season. Really looking forward to his coming out party....

[Pumchavas28]

Good chance that Dean and Gray will be redshirted this year...Talk from the team has it that Stephens is the BEST back on the squad and just waiting to go when the redshirt comes off this fall. Rumor has it that he was out perfroming and running circles around Goodson in practice this past season. Really looking forward to his coming out party....

I hope your right.....

[DCAggie]

I suppose that it's an fair assumption that the guys brought in by a new coach will do better in that coach's system, but I wouldn't count out a guy who was just as highly ranked and all that. Not that rankings are Gospel, and I guess some people hold the level of competition against him, though, but I don't want to do that.

I don't get rivals or scout, so I hadn't seen that stuff or anything else about it. Interesting.

[Pumchavas28]

I know most wont hold the level of competition against a guy... but I do against guys from the RGV....

Other than the Detmer brothers, OL Garza for the Chicago Bears & Leo Araguz (Former Raiders Punter), you don't see many kids from the RGV making it big at the College Level at all....

You probably have more kids from small towns like Burnette or Lufkin making it big than you have in the whole RGV put together....

The talent pool is slim to none down there.... Just calling it how it is..

[BuddyB]

I don't see my last post so I will restate it....I have heard coming from the team itself that Stephens is the BEST running back on the squad and just waiting to have the redshirt pulled this fall. In practice this past season he outperformed and ran circles around all the other backs we had. More than likely just like Dorman and probablly Fuller, Dean and Gray if they sign will be redshirted...Man I can hardly wait for Stephens' coming out party this fall.

[BuddyB]

oops ..it did post...sorry

[KCAggie]

What is the RGV?

[whitelightnin_23]

Rio Grande Valley

[Pumchavas28]

What is the RGV?


Rio Grande Valley.....

Consists of PSJA, Donna, Rio Grande City, La Joya, San Benito, McAllen, Harlingen, Brownsville, Weslaco, Edinburg, Los Fresnos, & several other schools....

Keep in Mind, that all of those towns/cities have 1 5A school, but several of those towns/cities have 2 or more 5A schools & that doesn't even include the list of 4A schools that are down there....

But if you take all those towns/cities & put all the 5A, 4A & even 3A football teams together... you wont come up with 1/2 the production you get out of Lufkin, Burnette or any 1 school in the SA, Dallas, Houston area's....

[BuddyB]

I would assume the Rio Grand Valley...but I don't hold much relevance to a lot of the star rating system on rivals and scout...yeah its a good starting point but there are a lot of talented kids playing in smaller h/s programs that just dont get the visibility that some of the major metro areas get...I think we should be looking at some of these prospects as Sherm is seeing in size, SPEED (in the 40) and strength....

[DCAggie]

Yeah, I'm not saying that the level of talent is close to Houston, Dallas, or east TX (or even some of the power 4A or 3A districts). I'm just not gonna hold it against Stephens. Basically, the jury's out.

I'm glad he redshirted, and I hope that Gray, Dean, or whichever back signs does as well. I'm sure Dorman will as well. As for Fuller, who knows. It seems like most of what I hear about him is about his physical tools and stuff like that, but I get the impression that he's relatively raw, so I wouldn't be surprised, though.

[Pumchavas28]

Honestly... I don't hold much stock in the 40 times... Only because I have seen time & time again, guys with faster 40 times getting blown by....

Case in point... Goodson....

Goodson has out ran guys with faster 40 times consistently & then gets ran down himself by guys with slower 40 times....

He's outran some sips & Sooners who are said to be faster, but caught from behind by Safeties & LB's (granted shoe string tackles, but still).

[Pumchavas28]

Yeah, I'm not saying that the level of talent is close to Houston, Dallas, or east TX (or even some of the power 4A or 3A districts). I'm just not gonna hold it against Stephens. Basically, the jury's out.

I'm glad he redshirted, and I hope that Gray, Dean, or whichever back signs does as well. I'm sure Dorman will as well. As for Fuller, who knows. It seems like most of what I hear about him is about his physical tools and stuff like that, but I get the impression that he's relatively raw, so I wouldn't be surprised, though.


I've heard that Sed Johonson is the raw Talent... That if coached properly could become the best WR in the Big XII, but if not, could be a good WR just on talent alone, but wont be that WR that can take over a game....

[DCAggie]

I've heard that Sed Johonson is the raw Talent... That if coached properly could become the best WR in the Big XII, but if not, could be a good WR just on talent alone, but wont be that WR that can take over a game....

Maybe both are. Maybe it's that Fuller's stats don't blow you away combined w/ the comments about him. But that could be the offense his school runs or the QB or a number of factors.

Either way, you seem better informed than I am, so I'll assume you're right.

If Fuller is redshirted, I could see a lot of people freaking out (i.e. other message boards).

[Pumchavas28]

Agreed... I hope he's not shirted, but I wouldn't rule it out....

[PinetarAg]

Quick question.....

Should the Ags sign both Dean & Gray... what then becomes of Stephens????:popcorn:

Could he ride the pine like I initially said was a possibility???

What are the chances of him beating out Gray, Dean, Tarrant for a Starting spot after Goodson & Lane go Pro...

Or any other RB recruited after Gray & Dean????



I've been hoping I was wrong, but with Dean & Gray becoming more & more likely to sign with A&M.... I think it's becoming more & more evident that Stephens could very well fade away & or transfer.... JMO...

If he can't be a starter... at least use him on Returns or Special Teams coverage...

Use him for something... No sense in having him just sitting there....


He did punt in high school

;)

[TIGER]

I am surprised that there is so much talk about Stephens and how he will perform for the Aggies or against other competition. He has already shown that coming out of the RGV means nothing. Bennett Stated that he was the biggest surprise in his eyes coming out of the fall practice. "Being so good so early". I heard that the kid can straight out ball. Did not A&M have two receivers from the RGV one who ended up playing for the Giants and one who scored a 60 yd TD in the game against Texas. Stephens has indeed been tearing it up in practice and was voted the practice team offensive MVP by the players in only six weeks of being there. I have only heard very good things from the players on the team when his name is mentioned. I guess we will just have to wait to see him out on the field. Those who have seen him have said he is really special on the field and will be perfect for Shermans offense. One player told me if you go back and look at his high school video's that is how he has been looking in practice. Red Shirting Stephens I heard was simply a political move by Fran, same with not playing any other QB's. Making moves like that is one of the reasons why A&M has new coaches!

[Pumchavas28]

Did not A&M have two receivers from the RGV one who ended up playing for the Giants and one who scored a 60 yd TD in the game against Texas.

There is a reason I left E. & J. Taylor off the list....

E. Taylor unfortunatly never duplicated what his brother did & was never able to be a threat to defenses...

And while that 1 long play against tu was great, would have been nice if he was able to do that more often than just once. One of the main reasons he was a starter was because he was a Senior & a good blocker....

J. Taylor was good, but how many good teams did he show up against for A&M??? I'm not trying to bash him or anything like that.... But during his time at A&M, A&M only beat 1 ranked team & that was #1 OU & he had a very, very small role in that.... Obviousy more goes into that than just 1 WR.... but his numbers against those teams weren't all that good at all....

I was very sad to see him get hurt when he was with the Giants & I really wanted him to have a long & great career... but I'm not basing my thoughts on RGV kids off of opinion or anything like that... It's all fact....

Also, even if you want to throw him in the mix... I'm sure I can find 1 HS that has still produced more talent on it's own....

[BuddyB]

Have heard that Dean wants to play early which he wouldn't be able to do at A&M....No longer an option...neither is McGuffie who didn't come in this w/e...I guess we can't win them all:(

[Pumchavas28]

Have heard that Dean wants to play early which he wouldn't be able to do at A&M....No longer an option...neither is McGuffie who didn't come in this w/e...I guess we can't win them all:(


I'm happy with Gray.... his clips seem to show him as a stronger version of Mike.... He seems to break more tackles while still making some people miss....

[Burnetaggie99]

Stephen has told me Bradley is a monster and would run all over our first team defense in practice. It got to the point where guys thought he was trying to show them up and coaches had to get involved, so the first team defense didn't hurt or alienate Bradley. Some of the guys on defense finally figured out he's just trying to make them better and he's also fighting to show he can play.

[Pumchavas28]

I hope so..... If he is what people say he is, then maybe that will be the fire that Lane & Mike need to push harder.....

Yeah they are good RB's & all that... but everyone always has room for improvement & if Bradley is that good, then maybe he can push both of them to get better....

It's a shame though... If he was that good, then some of those runs that Keondra had last year might have been longer ones had Bradley been in the game & maybe he could have helped against OU, ttu, & Mizzou....:sad:

[Burnetaggie99]

No doubt Fran wanted him to Redshirt. I see your point but why waste a guys Redshirt if he's only going to get maybe 100 carries. This way he still got 4 years to play but he's stronger, faster and seasoned from playing scout team RB aganist our first team defense.

[DCAggie]

I'm definitely fine with the redshirt. If he'd have been the kick or punt returner, that'd be different, but I'm glad he's got 4 years left instead of a few carries.

[Pumchavas28]

It wouldn't have been 100 carries, but at the same token.... Starting a kid that good hasn't stopped other program's from burning a talented RB's shirt, (WVU, USC, OU, Georgia) regardless of the starting Talent at RB.

Nothing against K. Smith or anything... but when Mike was out for the ttu game, not having him in the game really hurt & with Winning Now being such a huge issue in College, if Bradley is either the 2nd or 1st best RB we have, why not play him????

If he can break tackles & make a defender pay, then play him....

Yeah red-shirting him has benifits, but playing him now does also....

Playing him this past year could have made a world of difference.... Mike could have had some time at WR, or when Mike was suspended Bradley could have stepped in & we not lost a beat...

Keondra averaged 3.5 yds per carry this past year.... a full yard less than what Mike or Lane were averaging....

I am sure Bradley could have averaged 3.5 also, but if he was the better back, I would have expected that average to be higher....

Just saying....

Had he played & made the difference many think & hope he can, why not play him & end up with a better record & beat teams like ttu & Mizzou that would have really helped this season not be average.....

I don't see the sence in holding back your best talent... There are always ways to get your best players on the field if your willing to adjust & adapt & are looking to actually win the game at hand....

[Pumchavas28]

Also.... No one complained when Mike took over for Clew... I doubt that if Bradley was this good, that anyone would complain if Bradley took a few carries away from Mike or if he took over the starting role....

Team 1st right?????

[TIGER]

I heard the same thing from some other people on the team! We have some great RB tallent at A&M. However, in Shermans offense it will be hard to keep Stephens off of the field. The kid was made for his style of offense. The way it was described to me was "If you want to know how Bradley has been doing in practice go back and look at some of his high school highlight films. The kid can straigt out ball".

[Burnetaggie99]

I blame Fran for not throwing the ball to Goodson. I been saying for 2 years now that he should go in motion and line out wide to catch passes. Fran never really took advantage of the Spread offense like Meyer does. Just look at the way Harvin is used. Finally Les did this aganist tu this year but it was alittle to late.

[Pumchavas28]

I blame Fran for not throwing the ball to Goodson. I been saying for 2 years now that he should go in motion and line out wide to catch passes. Fran never really took advantage of the Spread offense like Meyer does. Just look at the way Harvin is used. Finally Les did this aganist tu this year but it was alittle to late.


I wish he had built off of that against PSU..... Les didn't add to what he built against tu... Instead of adding other dimensions to throwing the ball to Mike, Les stayed with it & PSU ate it up after those 1st 2 TD's....

Tellus & other WR's were never a factor & the WR's that were put into the game were hardle (if ever used) during the regular season.... :headslap: for Les....

[BuddyB]

Well boys and girls believe it or not I just talked to Aundre Dean on the phone from my brother's office in Katy (my brother is his orthodontist)...asked him what his plans were on signing day ....going to UCLA...bummer...I wished him all the success in his career and said I wished I could have seen him wearing Maroon & White in a tandem backfield with Cyrus Gray...he replied " so would have a thousand other folks and that would have been cool but he wanted to be in Southern Cal...he is a really nice and respectful kid and would have been a good fit for the Ags...well we tried...
:(

[dragonag517]

That's kind of a shocker.....sorry to hear that. Did you ask him what he liked or didn't like about A&M or why it appeared he was having second thoughts on possibly coming here before he decided to go back to UCLA?

[BuddyB]

Actually I thought about asking him those questions after the call was over...would have been good to know inside information of what is going on with the Sherm process...at the time I didn't want to pressure the kid...I just wished him well on his career. He did mention that UCLA was on the A&M schedule in the near future which I was unaware of and still am...
I had heard that he wanted to have a chance to play right away and not have to wait thru a redshirt year and maybe 2 after that....It was cool to talk to the kid but dissappointing at the same time if you know what I mean...

[whitelightnin_23]

isn't this in the "grey area" of a booster talking to a recruit?

isn't that some sort of a violation, unless you have a previous relationship w/ the athlete?
just a question, not insinuating or accusing anyone...

:popcorn:

[Pumchavas28]

I can't help but wonder if BuddyB isn't Black Gloves..... :wow:

[whitelightnin_23]

good thought...

[Pumchavas28]

Without the arguments of course.... Personally I never had a problem with the guy... but I know some (whitelightnin) didn't along with him all that well, but he did give quite a bit of premium info like BuddyB.... :popcorn:

[whitelightnin_23]

actually, I didn't really mind him either...

he really got pissy whenever we started talking about how much the Rangers suck (all in fun of course)...and then left. and came back...and then left again.

[Pumchavas28]

My Bad then.... I don't get involved in MLB convo's.... Don't like baseball... IMO they all suck.... ;)

[whitelightnin_23]

His last few threads...entertaining at least...

http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23485
http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23527
http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23762

[BuddyB]

Once again I seems as if I am having to appolgize again...Dean was in my brother's office for an orthodontic check up and thought it would be cool if the kid and I could talk since I have been taking an interest in his football career and recruiting trail, so he calls me up and puts AD on the phone. It was quite a surprise and not expected. Gosh folks I try to keep up with the Ags as best as I can which is difficult to do since I live out of state and have been living out of state ever since I graduated from A&M and recieved my commission as an Air Force officer in the mid 70's. Forgive me if I still bleed Maroon...I have no idea who this other poster may be...Sorry

[Pumchavas28]

Calm down BuddyB.... as was said.. no one had any beef with Black Gloves...

But like White said.... It'd be best to be careful with who you talk to (recruits wise).... We don't want A&M getting hit up with a tampering issue.... Or at least careful with posting the info...

You could do what some of us do & say I heard:gig:

[whitelightnin_23]

agreed...

It's just better to be safe than sorry when dealing w/ recruits...

I'm not 100% clear on the rules of what you can/cannot do...but you might want to check them out if you have any questions...

I'm sure others on the board will have more information on what the "do's and don'ts" of talking to a recruit are...

[90AG]

BuddyB is awfully sensitive for a 55+- year old Air Force Officer isn't he Pum?

[Pumchavas28]

:laugh:

[AWolf02]

I guess this hasn't been posted yet but Dean is going to UCLA....

http://www.click2houston.com/sports/15190789/detail.html

[Vlyrock]

With Gray's commit, i guess it doesn't really matter to most folks. Since he's not in the Big XII, I'll wish him luck. :gig: