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Vlyrock
09-26-2007, 09:56 PM
As the site owner/administrator, it's hard for me to respond to posts and weigh in with my own opinions, because (as I've been told) in some people's eyes, I'm not just a regular poster. I'm the site administrator and that either intimidates people or they think that my opinion carries some kind of weight more than the average poster. Well, I don't believe that, but I've still refrained from weighing in on several topics where I've wanted to say something. My forum to talk has recently been the podcast, but since schedules aren't syncing this week, it looks like we won't get to do one... So, with that said, here's my jumbled thoughts -- written out and on display.

Thoughts on the Miami game:
The game was embarrassing and hard to watch. I'm on board with everybody else that said we were embarrassed on a national stage. Thursday night ESPN games have not been good to us (0-3) in recent history -- and I'm hoping that for the near future, we avoid playing games earlier in the week. Even our early in the week game against Texas State wasn't well played, so it's obvious that we can't game plan and prepare for an opponent in a short week.

I know people (and Fran) have said had said that he's been gameplanning for Miami since summer, but in all honestly, he didn't have much to go on or plan. Randy Shannon is a first time head coach. Fran had to wait for film and games so we could see what type of gameplan and philosophy Miami had, so the game plan wasn't set in stone by the time we played our first game. On top of that, we had to share it/teach it to the players. Again, we've shown an inability to do well with a short week.

As for the game, Miami has some athletes...but so do we. The only problem was, ours never showed up. There's an old addage that when you get knocked down, you have to get back up. I think we got a knockout punch delivered right before halftime and never got up. We mailed it in and quit. It was absolutely pathetic. I think Misi Tupe was the only player that stood out in the game to me as actually trying. He flew all over the field, bloody nose and all, and made plays over and over again. Secondary play was horrid. Dodge was late and made bad reads in zone. Defensive line couldn't wrap up or get pressure... All around piss-poor effort by the defense. Offense as well, but I think that's been hammered in enough on the boards all week.

Coaching
I believe that Fran let this game get away from him. I'm not going to say the game plan in the first half was the reason we lost. In all actuality, it should have been 14-0 at half and there's no reason to think our team couldn't make it up with adjustments. Instead, we give up 10 points in the last 2 minutes and the game is no longer a game, it's a blowout. At that point, the game plan was shot and it was over. I do think Coach Fran mismanaged the game. Lane should have had more carries... If for no other reason than to satisfy Lane. We had a whole half where we were down by 20+ points, continued to run and didn't give Lane the ball. If we're going to mail it in, might as well spread the touches.

I do, however, like the Wildcat formation we ran once. Goodson took the snap in the backfield -- I think, even with Lane back there, that it's a good idea to have that in the playbook. Remember, Lane can throw the ball, so there's always that threat.

Fire Coach Fran
As for firing Coach Fran, I'm not on this bandwagon. Is it because I think Coach Fran should stay? No, not really. I just know that my opinion means absolutely nothing in this arena. I'm not a big money Ag, I don't have Byrnes' ear on these matters, and the most important thing to me -- the season isn't over. Byrne said in his weekly newsletter (today) that the coaches are evaluated at the end of the season. I'm with Byrne on that one...

Unfortunately, because of this topic, we've already created an uncomfortable atmosphere. The A&M community is ripped in half with those screaming for blood and those just not screaming... If you've seen opponent message boards, they're laughing and enjoying the meltdown happening on Aggie message boards everywhere.

Also, as stated above, the season's not even 35% of the way over. Texas A&M is 3-1.... more importantly we're 0-0 in conference. We could 8-0, or we could go 0-8, but nobody -- absolutely nobody -- can predict exactly what's going to happen. We barely beat Army last year. Tons of A&M fans jumped off of the cliff then and gave up on Fran and the team. We went on to a 9-3 record (the most wins this century!) and a Holiday Bowl birth. Again, we're still 3-1 which was a real possibility in a lot of people's minds. Miami wasn't a gimme game and even though THE MEDIA says Miami is down, it doesn't mean they are a bad team. 4-0 would be ideal, but the season's not over with a loss. If you were thinking undefeated run to the National Championship prior to the season, you're delusional - no other way to say it.

Prior to this season, a lot of people (A&M fans mostly) thought we had the team that could compete or win the Big XII title. What's changed since then? We lost one game and gave up in the second half vs Fresno State..

Personnel wise, the players are the same... We knew who our coach was coming in, that's still the same. The only thing that's changed is the fan's perception of the team. The players are going to come out against Baylor next week and play hard. They're going to fight and battle in every game we play this season. None of them are quitting on the season, and for that reason, we have a chance to win every game we play.

Many think Fran handicaps us. Again, we had him last year and went 9-3. You can argue his game planning or play calling cost us 3 games, but you could also argue that it won us 3 games along the way, so it's all a wash. Fran isn't going to throw games -- he's not going to lose on purpose. He didn't get to where he is as a Div 1 coach by absolutely sucking at what he does. You may not agree with him or you may want him to show some "fire", but that still doesn't mean we can't win WITH him.

Ultimately, a coaching change may need to be made at the end of this season...(if the season doesn't finish well). I'm not opposed to that and would welcome the change depending on the coach. Heck, it may have to happen now just because the fan base has given up on the coach (see Tuberville in Auburn or Bowden in Clemson)...

Regardless of what will happen, I know that we have 8 games left. Each game will be different and our players and coaches are going to do their best to win the games. For that reason, I'll continue to support the entire team -- including the coaching staff we have in place.

Still a lot to say, but I'm tired of writing. Proceed to comment and I'll weigh in if necessary.

Vlyrock
09-26-2007, 09:57 PM
Here's the cliffnotes version:

Mad about Miami. Defense bad. Offense bad. Coaches bad.

Fire Fran? Don't care -- no influence. Just support the team.

Superaggie79
09-26-2007, 09:59 PM
is fran part of the team?

Vlyrock
09-26-2007, 10:02 PM
For that reason, I'll continue to support the entire team -- including the coaching staff we have in place.
Here...

Superaggie79
09-26-2007, 10:10 PM
If he ran with the team, lifted with the team, etc then I'd consider him part of the team. But his physique kind of says he's not doing that.

Stobie
09-26-2007, 10:13 PM
:rep: I have agreed with you yet again. And I know you have seen my comments...

Stobie
09-26-2007, 10:13 PM
If he ran with the team, lifted with the team, etc then I'd consider him part of the team. But his physique kind of says he's not doing that.

All jokes aside... and not a personal attack but do you really know what a coach does and goes through?

Superaggie79
09-26-2007, 10:16 PM
All jokes aside... and not a personal attack but do you really know what a coach does and goes through?
Yes I wanted to be a coach but in the end I knew if I did I'd either make a full committment to it and not my family or not be a good coach. That being said it doesn't hurt for a coach to stay in good shape. Our coaches worked out with us all the time and it made us all closer. I still go see them a couple of times a year.

Superaggie79
09-26-2007, 10:17 PM
I still would like to be an offensive line coach though... I've thought about volunteering at a private school.

Stobie
09-26-2007, 10:42 PM
Agree with you. When I was in Airborne Infantry....

There was the land nav course our CO designed up and it was about 40km long about 10 different points. Given there were 5 teams and about 26 total points.... Long story short... after about 2 days of humping it out there to my suprise even in 20 degree weather I come across another team being lead by the CO complaining on who the hell designed the course.... Even though it was him, alot to be said for a leader to be going through the same hell you are. :D

TexAgFromCal
09-26-2007, 10:48 PM
Vly-
Thanks for weighing in with your stance thoughtfully eloquently. There are a few points that I see that you seem to have glossed over, that I had questions on.

1. You seem to infer that the criticism of the coach is not necessarily justified after only the Miami game and the second half of the CSUF game, what about the lack of improvement this year fromt the first game to the fourth game? Coaches have always said the most improvement comes between weeks 1 and 2, well I didn't see any.

2. The "fire fran" comments to me are rather short sighted. If you don't evaluate a coach until the end of the season, how do you expect an AD to have a viable list of replacement candidates to work from. NO major coaching position in this country is negotiated solely after the firing of the previous coach takes place. Wether the negotiations are public or not, they begin well before the season is over. I sure as hell don't want our AD handicapping himself because he wants to wait until the end of the season before evaluating.

As far as the comments referring to what the opponents message boards are saying, I really don't give a rats ass what they are saying. All schools go through coaching changes and all other schools laugh at them while they are doing it. What is the big deal. We laughed through the coaching changes at Texas until they got MB, and look who is laughing now. Last I checked they have finished in the top 25 every year this century.

3. As far as our expectations from the beginning of the season and winning the Big 12, a LOT has changed. We got our asses handed to us by Miami, we had less than 100 yards of offense in the first half. Conversely, OU beat the ever living crap out of the same Miami team a few weeks earlier. That is a MAJOR development since the beginning of the season. And it wasn't just THE MEDIA saying that Miami was in a down year, THEY GOT THE CRAP BEAT OUT OF THEM by OU. The media doesn't dictate when a team has a down year, the performance of that team dictates whether they are having a down year.

Let me be clear, I will be chearing for us to win every game this year. I will support the players in every way that I can. I don't want us to lose out so we will fire the coach. I want this coaching staff to coach up to THEIR potential. I don't think they have suddenly forgotten how to coach, but I do think that maybe the guaranteed contract has made some of them complacent in their jobs. I don't think they are intentionally losing games by any stretch of the imagination, but there was a time when fran had the guts to call creative unexpected plays. He did it at TCU and Alabama. He even did it here the first few years. But lately it seems as though he has decided in an offensive system and is going to stick with it no matter what and that doesn't work in college.

Vlyrock
09-26-2007, 10:58 PM
Texag, good points.

1) I saw a lot of improvement in this team in the second game (in the first half). The first half was perfect football and shows what we were capable of. I think we just turned it off at halftime and after turning it off, it's hard to "turn it back on"... Luckily, we got out with a win, but the first half of the Fresno State was the best we played all year.

2) I'm not saying wait until the end of the season to evaluate Fran (if you're Byrne). Byrne actually said he'll release the evaluation at the end of the season -- I'm sure he's continually evaluating Fran and looking at replacements if that's the direction he's going. As a fan though, I don't have any decision making ability, so waiting until the end of the season is all I can do. Here's what Byrne said: I've heard a plenty about how our coaches are evaluated. In fact, some want me to fire everyone right now. That's not the best way to conduct business. My process remains the same – we never discuss a coach's evaluation until the season is over, regardless of the sport I infer that to mean he's not going to talk about Fran's status until the end of the year.

I understand the message board comments, but at the same time, given that Fran being gone isn't a sure thing, it provides a fractured front. I know bringing up recruiting and such with message boards is "out there" but the truth is recruits do read message boards and coaches direct them to message boards when it benefits them. We've even verified a recruit was on here posting this off-season (that signed elsewhere)...so it does happen. I don't care much what other fans are saying -- I just don't like that the Aggie community is split and arguing amongst ourselves...

3) We got our asses handed to us by Miami. Yes, nothing can change that and I don't argue with that. However, I will point out a couple things.
-- Miami got crushed by OU. This gave them experience and exposed weaknesses. The coaches were able to make changes and adjust based on what was exposed. As you know, you don't know much about your team until you play a tough opponent.
-- Miami had something to prove and rally around because of that OU loss. You could say we came in overconfident and they were looking to make a statement.
-- OU has beaten the crap out of everybody. OU is on another planet. If Miami got beat down by Tulsa, I'd be worried about the difference, but you can't take a performance in one game and compare it to another to draw a direct correlation.

The biggest tell will be how will we react? We've had our OU/Miami game. We got blown out. We've been exposed and everybody saw it. How will we react? Will we react like Miami and play with swagger, or will we fold? That will be the biggest tell...

And for one, I'm thankful Baylor is coming to town this week instead of, say, Oklahoma. It's a great opportunity to make a statement.

The Massacre
09-26-2007, 11:00 PM
hopefully the statement won't be getting our taints handed to us by baylor.

MarylandAG
09-27-2007, 09:16 AM
Excellent posts on this thread. I'll weigh in with a brief statement. I sort of get the feeling that some of you all think we've given up on the team simply because we have lost all faith in Fran, that isn't the case, we, of course want the team to win and we want this badly, we simply just don't see it as "one game this season", we see it as a continuation of what we have observed over the course of 4.5 years. I think this view is shared by posters such as myself, Curly, Dustin, Duff and a few others, again, I think we share the same view (I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong). This is a strong statement, but it is my true sentiment. I am done with Franchione, he has shown me enough over the course of his tenure here to convince me that he is not the coach to take this program where I think we all collectively want it to be, and truthfully given the resources of this univeristy where it deserves to be. I wish him well and there is no animosity, he simply is not the right coach.

Bama Charlie
09-27-2007, 09:43 AM
Not exactly on the thread topic, but:

Discouraged fans. Team struggles. Give up.

See Michigan. If the wheels ever fell off a team this has to be it. Ranked #5 and lost to Appy State. Blown out on TV by Oregon. Season over. Lucky to win another game. HC under fire once again.

But wait! What is this? Just beat Penn State and 2-2 now. Someone forgot to tell the team it was over.

Aggies can still win a lot of games. Aggies can still go to a BCS bowl.

Pumchavas28
09-27-2007, 09:44 AM
Vly's the owner????? :huh:

Curly06
09-27-2007, 09:53 AM
Excellent posts on this thread. I'll weigh in with a brief statement. I sort of get the feeling that some of you all think we've given up on the team simply because we have lost all faith in Fran, that isn't the case, we, of course want the team to win and we want this badly, we simply just don't see it as "one game this season", we see it as a continuation of what we have observed over the course of 4.5 years. I think this view is shared by posters such as myself, Curly, Dustin, Duff and a few others, again, I think we share the same view (I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong). This is a strong statement, but it is my true sentiment. I am done with Franchione, he has shown me enough over the course of his tenure here to convince me that he is not the coach to take this program where I think we all collectively want it to be, and truthfully given the resources of this univeristy where it deserves to be. I wish him well and there is no animosity, he simply is not the right coach.
:rep:
Yep just think Frans cuttin it with the Big boys- still love my guys & want nothing less than a championship for them--- just dont see it happening without the right leadership

Pflugerville Ag
09-27-2007, 10:23 AM
Nice post Vly. :rep:

In regards to waiting until the season is over to evaluate a coach, Byrne has said before that he has a short list of replacements for every coach at A&M, regardless of how they are performing. Regardless of what Byrne does with Fran after this season, I guarantee you that he has already used some back channels to gauge interest of his top choices.

12th man fan
09-27-2007, 11:57 AM
I know people (and Fran) have said had said that he's been gameplanning for Miami since summer, but in all honestly, he didn't have much to go on or plan. Randy Shannon is a first time head coach. Fran had to wait for film and games so we could see what type of gameplan and philosophy Miami had, so the game plan wasn't set in stone by the time we played our first game. On top of that, we had to share it/teach it to the players. Again, we've shown an inability to do well with a short week.

I disagree with his part....Shannon was the D coordinator at Miami, we had plenty of film from last year to know what they would probably do defensively.

Offensively, they may have been more of a question mark, but we had film from this year to look at for that.

The short week may have been somewhat of a factor for the atheletes, but I'm not letting the coaches off the hook fo it. Fran made a big deal previous to the game of pointing out that this was a red cirlce game, and that some prep time this summer was spent on getting ready for it.

phatbc
09-27-2007, 12:03 PM
:rep: to Vly and Maryland

Mezentius
09-27-2007, 12:30 PM
I just want the players to play to their abilities and strengths rather than to the system that is in place.

We have a physical and nasty offensive line...how about let them fire off the ball and run down hill behind them with your 270 lb running back at the smaller team for a bit to soften them up?
I saw us stick to a system that was inadequate to the situation we were in...delays and slow developing option plays. Shannon knew he could keep Lane out of the game by crashing on the dive and they did. That's not the only way to pound the ball inside.

The fact that we ran essentially the same package that we ran in the 3rd quarter of the Fresno Game into a very fast defense baffles me still.

To Curly's point and I'm paraphrasing here her boys are atheletes let them run, hit and do their thing...football is not complicated. It starts on both lines..hit the guy in front of you (hard) and the rest will follow. Don't outthink yourself and do the basics well.

Right now Fran simply isn't working the basics well on either side of the ball. I mean I know Jerrod isn't ready for a full blown package but honestly sometimes an athelete doesn't need the package...Tim Tebow ran like 4 different plays last year...they worked.
Perriloux runs 4 this year and they work...because he's put in at the right times (near midfield or for certain downs/distances)...why not try it?

We all have our thoughts on Reggie but honestly he nearly single handedly won the OU game in 2002 with a package that was essentially a few roll out passes, and play action go routes.
Look at what Tebow did to that LSU defense last year...

Look what LSU does on defense this year with Glen Dorsey or any of their other studs....no we don't have their level of talent on defense but we've got quite a few players that look hamstrung.

I mean Cyril looks like he's standing in stone holding his gap...this is a defensive end that broke the vertical record for the whole football program I mean damn the kid should be turned loose some.

We all talk about the wrecking crew and we talk stats but what all are really talking about is the unleashed fury of players playing...nobody ever talked scheme with them....they just brought it all the time.

Think Kip Corrington was a great athlete? Hell no he was just maniacal and wanted to knock folks out?
I mean Dana Bastiste? Slow as all get out...but man it didn't matter...he brought the thunder

Let's not even talk about Johnny Holland and John Roper...I mean Roper didn't cover a guy the whole time he played LB instead he disrupted the passing game on rushes...

I get the feelign with these players Fran would just have Corrington deep so he didn't get burned, Batiste would play Defensive end because he's a physical presence on the cutback and Roper would have played punt coverage because he couldn't be trusted in coverage.

Make sense?

Dustin00whoop
09-27-2007, 12:32 PM
Is JB Grimes coaching our O-line again?

Slotback
09-27-2007, 02:27 PM
Excellent posts on this thread. I'll weigh in with a brief statement. I sort of get the feeling that some of you all think we've given up on the team simply because we have lost all faith in Fran, that isn't the case, we, of course want the team to win and we want this badly, we simply just don't see it as "one game this season", we see it as a continuation of what we have observed over the course of 4.5 years. I think this view is shared by posters such as myself, Curly, Dustin, Duff and a few others, again, I think we share the same view (I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong). This is a strong statement, but it is my true sentiment. I am done with Franchione, he has shown me enough over the course of his tenure here to convince me that he is not the coach to take this program where I think we all collectively want it to be, and truthfully given the resources of this univeristy where it deserves to be. I wish him well and there is no animosity, he simply is not the right coach.

I agree with MarylandAg here. What I am also getting the sense of, is akin to the 1978 campaign. It started well, expectations were high, then the disaster in the Astrodome. Followed by a humiliating loss to Baylor. Bellard resigned the next week. I truly want to be wrong on this one, but I don't like the vibes.

Fran was not the right hire, and that happens. Still there is plenty of football to be played and the season is not yet lost.

It's a great paradox to be a sports fan when you are not happy with the coach. You want your team to win, yet you want someone else calling the shots. If the team wins, the coach stays. But you never root for your team to lose. Almost maddening isn't it?

12th man fan
09-27-2007, 05:24 PM
Rooting for the team is not maddening. Seeing Coach Clipboard misuse your team's talent is.