Today's Media Luncheon

[GuatemalanAg]

I was in and out of my office... I heard Stephen a little bit, then Darnell and then Les ...now all I get is an empty seat and no audio :bored:
Did Fran address the media??? :huh:

[GuatemalanAg]

never mind...he's up there now...

[The Massacre]

they record it so the recording should be posted in a little while so you can listen to it.

[phatbc]

please give us a report whenever you get a chance

[Pumchavas28]

I'm interested in what Stephen had to say....

[GuatemalanAg]

I'm interested in what Stephen had to say....
He was asked if his car was vandalized...He said his car is fine...

[GuatemalanAg]

Sunday the team practice focused on fundamentals...

[Pumchavas28]

He was asked if his car was vandalized...He said his car is fine...


I really feel for him.....

[GuatemalanAg]

I really feel for him.....
that makes two of us...

[The Massacre]

JTrain question -- "was there any thought of just giving the ball to Lane just to see what would happen?"

:laugh:

[GuatemalanAg]

JTrain question...Fran claims that he was in the offensive plan...:mad:

[Pumchavas28]

Don't get me started....

[The Massacre]

fran sure doesn't have that same swagger he had in the beginning of the season. he looks beaten and not sure where to go from here. i sure hope that isn't how he really feels.

[aggie1997]

"What do you mean? We handed him the ball twice. He only got 2 yards on those carries. This is division 1 football. This is the big 12. This ain't pop warner. Did you expect me to keep giving him the ball? He is twice the size of some of their other players. The media is just ridiculous. I'm not talking about this anymore."

If Hawkins or Gundy was our coach.;)

[The Massacre]

"there aren't any games bigger than big 12 games" said something like you can't win the big 12 in non-conference games. he sure seems to act like his only goal is to win the big 12.

[aggie1997]

I said the other day on another thread that Fran acts like the only way to get to a BCS game is to win the big 12. Totally negates the non-con schedules importance. Doesn't seem like he has much fire in him.

[The Massacre]

I said the other day on another thread that Fran acts like the only way to get to a BCS game is to win the big 12. Totally negates the non-con schedules importance. Doesn't seem like he has much fire in him.

not sure how that view of big 12 games has anything to do with the amount of "fire" he has in him. do explain.

[whitelightnin_23]

not sure how that view of big 12 games has anything to do with the amount of "fire" he has in him. do explain.

I think he's talking about (at least the way I understand it...) the lack of motivation to win ALL games...not just the Big12 games...

[The Massacre]

oh snap. J Train is at the mike.

[whitelightnin_23]

oh snap. J Train is at the mike.

:wow::wow::wow:

[Pumchavas28]

Please keep us posted on that one....

[The Massacre]

he said the Defensive End? took him on the dive play every time in 12 times they ran the play.

[The Massacre]

Jtrain said he didn't see them as better as us, just Aggies picked the wrong day to play bad.

[The Massacre]

Jtrain said something to the effect of the first 4 games didn't really count.

[aggie1997]

not sure how that view of big 12 games has anything to do with the amount of "fire" he has in him. do explain.

I think he's talking about (at least the way I understand it...) the lack of motivation to win ALL games...not just the Big12 games...

Exactly. Just seems to have a more relaxed attitude about the non-con schedule. Doesn't seem like he has a strong desire to win all the games. It is just exhibition?

[GuatemalanAg]

Dang!!! I missed the Train :sad:

[The Massacre]

Jtrain also said they got back to "Aggie football" on Sunday. meaning fundamentals, i think.

[polish]

Jtrain also said they got back to "Aggie football" on Sunday.

aw crap :mad:

[The Massacre]

"we still have everything in front us that we want to accomplish" - "we win the big 12 and we are in a BCS game"

so sad that even the players are saying this. :sad:

[Pumchavas28]

"we still have everything in front us that we want to accomplish" - "we win the big 12 and we are in a BCS game"

so sad that even the players are saying this. :sad:


Do we not want them playing for a shot at a BCS game & want them to believe they can win the Big XII????

I understand how it doesn't look good to blow off the Miami loss...

But aren't those 2 goals still alive?

[The Massacre]

uhhh....those are. what about winning a National Championship?

[Gravy]

Jtrain said something to the effect of the first 4 games didn't really count.

So then last year, we really did go 5-4

:popcorn:

[MarylandAG]

I actually think it is good that they are saying they can win the Big XII and play in BCS. Yes personally I think it is delusional, but still it is good for them to think they can still win it all, and until they lose in conference they are still in it.

[Pumchavas28]

uhhh....those are. what about winning a National Championship?


Considering where A&M was ranked... that would have been an earth shattering accomplishment had the Ags pulled that off.....

[MarylandAG]

Did he really say that about the first 4 games. If so that is a kid getting baited by a reporter but still he needs to be careful how he states his answers.:wow:

[12th man fan]

"we still have everything in front us that we want to accomplish" - "we win the big 12 and we are in a BCS game"

so sad that even the players are saying this. :sad:

What are they supposed to be saying at this point? "Oh crap - we lost a non-conference game - our season is over!"

They have to be positive, and focus on what is in front of them, not what happened last Thursday, win or lose. What has happened so far has not affected B12 play or standings. Doing wel in the B12 would make there season for them, even if a lot of us would still be unhappy. They put it all out there every week, and they still have at least 8 games to play, 8 games to prove that Aggies never give up. If they act defeated only four games into the season, what would be the point?

[Gravy]

Considering where A&M was ranked... that would have been an earth shattering accomplishment had the Ags pulled that off.....

Yeah, so from now on, if we are not ranked in the top 10 at the beginning of the year, we should probably not even try to win the non-conference......but then of course, if we don't that means we probably are not ranked in the top 10 the next year.....but then we won't have to try then either, but then if we don't win those, we probably won't be the next year......wait a minute....I am sensing a trend.

:popcorn:

[Dustin00whoop]

Fran might think of it as "exhibition" games, but by the cost of the tickets, BB doesn't think that way. And quite frankly, I'm pissed to find out that I paid all this money for season tickets, when I only get to see 3 "games that matter."

[Pumchavas28]

Didn't someone last year post that beating tu is priceless?

[Superaggie79]

Sunday the team practice focused on fundamentals...
like field kicks I hope?

[The Massacre]

Yeah, so from now on, if we are not ranked in the top 10 at the beginning of the year, we should probably not even try to win the non-conference......but then of course, if we don't that means we probably are not ranked in the top 10 the next year.....but then we won't have to try then either, but then if we don't win those, we probably won't be the next year......wait a minute....I am sensing a trend.

:popcorn:

:rep:

[Mezentius]

The team is trying to stay positive...not sure what else they are supposed to say.

BTHO Baylor.

[Pumchavas28]

Who said anything about the Top 10????

Lemme ask ya'll this... Honestly... what team ranked from 20 to 25 (where A&M was) at any point in time in history has ever played for a Chip???

Please tell me....

Hell Auburn got screwed out of a Chip & they played in the SEC & beat every SEC team they faced.... and they started out being ranked 15th or somewhere around there..

Why would A&M get a MNC shot if they went undefeated & say USC & LSU also went undefeated?

Who knows what will happen.... but for those of ya'll who are knocking this obvious trend & holding onto that "IT COULD HAPPEN" mentality & that the team should still try.....

Where was that crap & that attitude the last 3 years???? And don't even try to act like you've had it, cause you haven't... not by any stretch of the imagination....

[macduff93]

The team is trying to stay positive...not sure what else they are supposed to say.

BTHO Baylor.


Emphasis on the TRYING.......they have been "handled". :sad:

[Mezentius]

Michigan in 97 was ranked in the 20's or unranked I believe when they won it all....

[Pumchavas28]

Michigan in 97 was ranked in the 20's or unranked I believe when they won it all....


So 10 years ago is what we have to hold onto for our hope of it happening for A&M.... I still have to wonder where that kind of thinking was last year? Not saying you Menz... just others that were quick to call in the season last year after Army & other games....

[WesTxAg]

it's better to lose early and come back and win your conference schedule than it is to lose late(granted you don't ever wanna get spanked by anyone, especially on national tv)

a chip woulda been nice but i don't think any of us realistically expected to be in the national chip game, but think about it, if the aggs right the ship and ou goes undefeated and goes to the national chip game, we have a chance in still going to a BCS bowl game, especially if we hang with ou in norman

[Pumchavas28]

it's better to lose early and come back and win your conference schedule than it is to lose late(granted you don't ever wanna get spanked by anyone, especially on national tv)

a chip woulda been nice but i don't think any of us realistically expected to be in the national chip game, but think about it, if the aggs right the ship and ou goes undefeated and goes to the national chip game, we have a chance in still going to a BCS bowl game, especially if we hang with ou in norman


For that to work A&M would have to have only 2 losses (OU & Miami).. everyone else in the Big XII would need at least 3 losses & whoever OU kills in the Big XII Chip would need 3 losses going into that game 1st....

Not to mention that we could still get screwed out of the Big XII BCS game much like Cal was screwed out of the Rose Bowl when tu played Michigan....

[WesTxAg]

honestly, after what i saw from nebraska on saturday, i think that's a real possibility

[DCAggie]

At what point was a national championship the expectation for this season. I doubt many people were looking for an undefeated season. So below that, wasn't the Big 12 the goal?

Yall seem to want the players to dwell on the Miami game instead of preparing for the next game and the conference. The players don't have the luxury of whining about the loss. I, for one, am glad that they are still sticking to other goals.

(I'm not saying the Miami game wasn't bad or embarrassing or any of that, for the record.)

[Mezentius]

I say just win and the rest takes care of itself.
I just don't have confidence that we are flexible enough to make sure our playmakers are getting the ball.

[WesTxAg]

they posted a link for the soundbites yet?

[Pumchavas28]

http://www.aggieathletics.com/pressRelease.php?SID=MFB&PRID=13347


Yup...

[WesTxAg]

gracias

[Pumchavas28]

De nada.... :gig:

[GuatemalanAg]

Aggiefans.com has SAP (en español) :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Pumchavas28]

Pues to sabes..... ;)

[whitelightnin_23]

efe te pe

[Pumchavas28]

Why don't put them in order of when they were interviewed....

[txags92]

Look, I am as disappointed in the Miami game as anybody and would love to see Fran gone sooner rather than later, but at this point in the season, what the players are saying is exactly right...the first 4 games don't matter. They don't mean that it was okay to lose to Miami or that they don't care if they win or lose to FSU. They mean that their whole plan for this year is to try to go 1-0 every week. Last week doesn't matter, next week doesn't matter...you try to go 1-0 each week. Saying the first 4 games don't matter before you play them would be stupid. But saying that your non-conference record doesn't when you are starting your conference season with as good a chance to win the big 12 as every other team that is 0-0 in the big 12 is correct.

There is no point in the players standing up there talking about "how bad it sucks to be 3-1" and how "they wish they could quit because now they can't be national champions this year". They have plenty of fans who will do that for them. They are competitors and they believe they have a chance to win the next 8 games. If they don't believe that, they shouldn't be playing football.

[Pumchavas28]

efe te pe
:laugh:

[The Massacre]

They mean that their whole plan for this year is to try to go 1-0 every week. Last week doesn't matter, next week doesn't matter...you try to go 1-0 each week. Saying the first 4 games don't matter before you play them would be stupid. But saying that your non-conference record doesn't when you are starting your conference season with as good a chance to win the big 12 as every other team that is 0-0 in the big 12 is correct.

they didn't say that they are putting everything behind them and they still have a legitimate chance of reaching their goal of winning the big 12. they said they still have EVERYTHING in front of them that they want to accomplish. there is a difference. the way they said it makes it sound like winning the big12 was the best they ever hoped to do before the season started.

[Pumchavas28]

they didn't say that they are putting everything behind them and they still have a legitimate chance of reaching their goal of winning the big 12. they said they still have EVERYTHING in front of them that they want to accomplish. there is a difference. the way they said it makes it sound like winning the big12 was the best they ever hoped to do before the season started.


I think at some point your reading way to much into it.....

I know you like to play devils advocate... but c'mon Mass....

[The Massacre]

i hope i am, Pum. i would hate to think that they didn't have any expectation of possibly winning the national championship before the season started.

nothing i can do about it anyway, so i just hope they can win the Big 12.

Gig'em Ags! :gig:

[Dustin00whoop]

He is an attorney (& I don't mean that in a bad way, Tro!)

[Pumchavas28]

I think you are Mass....

The MNC in College Football is alot like the Playoffs or Super Bowl in the NFL... it's something most coaches don't want players talking about before they have even won their 1st game....

Just something I've noticed......

[txags92]

Nobody goes into the season planning to win the national championship. You go into the season hoping to win every game and if that means you win the national championship, so be it. Its like a pitcher going into a every game with the goal of throwing a no-hitter. I really agree that you are reading too much into this whole deal...they can still go 8-0 in big 12, they can still win the big 12 chap. game, they can still go to a BCS bowl...isn't that enough for them to hope and shoot for?

Its really about being positive or negative. The guys could come out of the Miami game negative and say well our goal was to go undefeated, but now we will just have to "settle" for some of our minor and apparently meaningless goals of winning the big 12 and going to a bcs bowl. Or they could come out positive and say yes, we lost, but we can still accomplish all of the realistic goals we had. Sure its semantics and spin, but if they were standing up there being negative about the rest of the season and what the Miami game meant, people would be whining because they were being too negative. You are really picking at a very minor thing and trying to make it way more than it is.

[Superaggie79]

This is what's wrong with college football. If you don't go into the season thinking you can be the best what are you playing for to be the 10th best?

[Pumchavas28]

This is what's wrong with college football. If you don't go into the season thinking you can be the best what are you playing for to be the 10th best?


Seeing how the Top 10 Teams get a huge pay-off in the BCS... why not.... Everyone would love to be #1, but if you lose 1 game or 2 & can still be one of the 10 teams chosen to play in the 5 BCS games.... I think that's pretty good...

To try & be the #1 Team out of 119, or half of that if you want to be realistic... is a goal that even Pete Carroll said his team doesn't have on Jim Rome....

Pete said the same thing 2 weeks ago Fran is saying now... Granted Pete has won more games (far more games) but he has said the same thing....

Cause you lose 1 game or your star player goes down & your team really can't make up for what he does & then what... Your only goal is out the window & your f'd....

[Pumchavas28]

Llstening to Les..... It's obvious that we wont be seeing a Florida 2 QB system..... :bored:

So much for JJ being our Tebow....

[Superaggie79]

Seeing how the Top 10 Teams get a huge pay-off in the BCS... why not.... Everyone would love to be #1, but if you lose 1 game or 2 & can still be one of the 10 teams chosen to play in the 5 BCS games.... I think that's pretty good...

To try & be the #1 Team out of 119, or half of that if you want to be realistic... is a goal that even Pete Carroll said his team doesn't have on Jim Rome....

Pete said the same thing 2 weeks ago Fran is saying now... Granted Pete has won more games (far more games) but he has said the same thing....

Cause you lose 1 game or your star player goes down & your team really can't make up for what he does & then what... Your only goal is out the window & your f'd....
the purpose of competition is to finish first. The current system only allows ~20 teams a legitimate chance at accomplishing that. And don't even talk about the payout. The players don't see a dime of that. Sure the Athletic Dept want a top 10 finish but even then it's spread out amongst the rest of the conference and then after that the rest of the sports at the schools. That's nothing to play for.

[Pumchavas28]

the purpose of competition is to finish first. The current system only allows ~20 teams a legitimate chance at accomplishing that. And don't even talk about the payout. The players don't see a dime of that. Sure the Athletic Dept want a top 10 finish but even then it's spread out amongst the rest of the conference and then after that the rest of the sports at the schools. That's nothing to play for.

Considering A&M was #25 at the start of the season.... where does A&M stand in that?

And Pay Out Aside.... Striving to be one of the 10 Teams to play in a BCS game is still something Players want.....

Ask any player what Bowl Games they would want to play in if they couldn't play for the MNC.... I am sure you will hear Sugar, Rose, Fiesta & Orange...

[Superaggie79]

Considering A&M was #25 at the start of the season.... where does A&M stand in that?

And Pay Out Aside.... Striving to be one of the 10 Teams to play in a BCS game is still something Players want.....

Ask any player what Bowl Games they would want to play in if they couldn't play for the MNC.... I am sure you will hear Sugar, Rose, Fiesta & Orange...
Of course they are going to look to do the next best thing if they can't attain the highest level. The point I'm making is that every team, player, coach, etc should strive for the best. This system does not allow that to happen. And the best A&M could hope for this year would be to win every game, win the conference championship, and then win the BCS bowl they were sent to... but they still couldn't win the national championship... pretty ****ty thing. Be perfect in every way but the system says you're not.

[Pumchavas28]

I smell a playoffs thread...... :gig:

[Gravy]

Apparently we just have different views. If I have a shot at winning the whole thing, I will take that every time versus giving up on it without even trying. But that is just me. I realize that not everyone is as ambitious or determined and will settle for whatever scraps are thrown their way. In fact, I cherish people like that. If it were not for them, my trip to the top would not be as easy.

:popcorn:

[Loftin]

I understand the players standing positive and keeping their goals high, but Fran takes his "exhibition" attitude too far. He acts like getting embarrassed on national TV is going to help us win the Big XII. Yeah, coach, we've got 'em right were we want 'em:rolleyes:...

[12th man fan]

Yeah, coach, we've got 'em right were we want 'em:rolleyes:...

I'm very concerned that might be exactly what he is thinking........

[phatbc]

efe te pefile transfer protocol?

[txags92]

Just because you aren't setting the national championship as your goal doesn't mean you don't want to win it. A better goal is to win every game. There are any of a half dozen things that can keep a team from winning a national championship even if they win every game...ask Boise State and Auburn about that. Coaches are constantly trying to keep players focused on the game at hand and not the big picture...so why set a goal that will have the players watching the polls, reading press about themselves, and dreaming of the big day when they should be focused on playing this week's opponent.

Do you want a great example of why teams don't set the national championship as their preseason goal? Look at what happened in 1995, when we came into the season believing our own hype and thinking we would be competing for a national championship and wound up 2-2 after 4 games and ended the season losing to Texas and playing Michigan in the Alamo bowl. Anybody who doesn't believe that we lost to tech in week 4 that year because of the let down after losing our first game in week 3 is delusional. That team thought they were going to be national champions and let it go to their heads.

You have to set your sights high, but you have to be careful not to set them so high that you have nothing left to play for if you miss. Thats why most football teams don't set the national championship as their top goal...because once you lose a game, then you are just playing for 2nd loser right? National championships require a rare combination of things to achieve and it is better to focus on goals that are achievable every year with hard work (such as conference championships, bcs bowls, etc) that will get you to the national championship if you are lucky, but won't leave you feeling let down after the 3rd or 4th game of the season if you aren't.

[Dustin00whoop]

Apparently we just have different views. If I have a shot at winning the whole thing, I will take that every time versus giving up on it without even trying. But that is just me. I realize that not everyone is as ambitious or determined and will settle for whatever scraps are thrown their way. In fact, I cherish people like that. If it were not for them, my trip to the top would not be as easy.

:popcorn:

Wait, I'm lost. I thought the most important thing was having a team of true Aggies, win or lose, vs. having a winning team of just football players. You are beginning to contradict yourself.

[Gravy]

Wait, I'm lost. I thought the most important thing was having a team of true Aggies, win or lose, vs. having a winning team of just football players. You are beginning to contradict yourself.

Nope, I said I would take a team of true Aggies over a team of athletes that don't care about who they are playing for. Why do you always insist that a team of true Aggies could not be winners? How very......unAggie.

:popcorn:

[phatbc]

you know what the worst thing in the world is? when people say "unAggie" or say "I'm more of an Aggie than you"

Its so judemental and in fact unAggie. wait....aww...I said it... :laugh:

[Gravy]

you know what the worst thing in the world is? when people say "unAggie" or say "I'm more of an Aggie than you"

Its so judemental and in fact unAggie. wait....aww...I said it... :laugh:

Or call someone a bad aggie?

:popcorn:

[phatbc]

yeah...unless you are joking...or unless "bad aggie" in question doesn't like chipotle

then you can say it :cool:

[whitelightnin_23]

Fran on the "exhibition season" comment...

(paraphrasing) "It was a joking comment...taken out of context"

I'm glad he was in a joking mood after the beat down... :mad: :mad: :mad:

[whitelightnin_23]

On negativity...

"Other than my 20 minutes...I don't have to deal with it...I stay busy..."

maybe that's part of the problem...

[Pumchavas28]

On negativity...

"Other than my 20 minutes...I don't have to deal with it...I stay busy..."

maybe that's part of the problem...


There is only so much he can do in his mind.... Would you want him dwelling on it non-stop & perform even worst?

[Pumchavas28]

Fran on the "exhibition season" comment...

(paraphrasing) "It was a joking comment...taken out of context"

I'm glad he was in a joking mood after the beat down... :mad: :mad: :mad:


I think this another example of people reading far to much into what someone is saying....

[whitelightnin_23]

On j-lane's lack of carries...

(very short) "Did les address that with you" "what did he say"
"they have two very good d-ends"...so obviously the answer is to fold up & give it to the smaller back up the middle...well, that & to run an option right at them...

[Pumchavas28]

On j-lane's lack of carries...

(very short) "Did les address that with you" "what did he say"
"they have two very good d-ends"...so obviously the answer is to fold up & give it to the smaller back up the middle...well, that & to run an option right at them...


Wouldn't that fall on execution??? I know, I know... it's on the coaches.... but by now I am sure the coaches are pretty confident in the Option Game & the execution of the guys running it after the way they have executed it since 2005.....

Those same plays worked against NU, OU & tu..... they just didn't work against Miami....more on lack of execution....

I know our guys know how to run those plays... They've done it time & time again....

Don't get me wrong... I still want Fran gone for not calling more I Formation Hand-Offs for Lane....

But running the Outside portion of the Option right at the defense instead of around it, is on the players lack of execution... Something even we all expected... So if we expect good execution because we have seen it, shouldn't the coaches feel the same way about the players????

[whitelightnin_23]

on Jarrod earning trust to get on the field..

"He's not ready for that yet...if we want to win the game"

"He may be out there sooner than we want him to be...but we don't have to place him in that position"

[Pumchavas28]

on Jarrod earning trust to get on the field..

"He's not ready for that yet...if we want to win the game"

"He may be out there sooner than we want him to be...but we don't have to place him in that position"


That one has me hot.... Cause Fran even said we'd see a Leak/Tebow type of offense from McGee & JJ....

:mad:

Which I think would f'n killer.....

[whitelightnin_23]

On Wallace's returns...

Media: Did you say something to him about not running with the ball after his first return? Tell him to not run???
Fran: Wasn't that the one he fumbled it on???
Media: No, no it wasn't
Fran: No, I didn't personally say anything to him...

THIS...THIS is inexcusable...
Wallace should have had two boots so far up his arse (for running with the ball the first time) that he wouldn't be able to move...the SECOND time...when he fumbled...

[Pumchavas28]

I agree.... Fran, the O'Line Coach & the ST Coach should all have said something to him...

From JH up they tell you to just drop on it....

[12th man fan]

"Fran: No, I didn't personally say anything to him..."

Of course he didn't say anything...he was too busy with his nose in his clipboard to be bothered with getting in someone's face at the time.

[macduff93]

How many of y'all want to bet that Kim was the disciplinarian in their home? :undecided:

[12th man fan]

How many of y'all want to bet that Kim was the disciplinarian in their home? :undecided:

:laugh:

[phatbc]

was? did he get a divorce?

[whitelightnin_23]

^
kids are grown phat...