Bull Crap!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pumchavas28]

McGee hit it right on the nail....

I am gonna shut up right now... McGee do your thing... as long as we get the "W", that's all that matters...

You thanking the Lord after that game & what you said put everything in perspective, about passing, running & everything else...

Honestly... we all want whats best for the team & school, but we all need to shut the F' up...

I will from now.....McGee talked the same way I did last year & all the BS I said today was not what an Aggie should say....

Gig Em McGee!!!!!
Gig Em Aggies!!!!!!
Gig Em!!!!!!!!! :gig: :gig: :gig: :gig: :gig: :gig:

[GuatemalanAg]

:rep: Pum...I need to spread some around first...W is what matters...

[macduff93]

Link?

[Slotback]

We won, and that does matter. It's how we ultimately won that has a lot of folks unhappy.

[Pumchavas28]

We won, and that does matter. It's how we ultimately won that has a lot of folks unhappy.


According to McGee they are full of Bull Crap.... and I agree.....

[Slotback]

Understandable. It's also understandable that there are folks who worry about the "how" you win.

[Pumchavas28]

Understandable. It's also understandable that there are folks who worry about the "how" you win.


Well I dare any of them to bring up to McGee himself..... Bunch of Internet Tough Guys... bet not one of them... any of them would ever go up to McGee & say it to himself.....

Gaurantee it....

I fell into that trap today, but it wont happen again....

[Pumchavas28]

Worth a 1k words..

http://www.aggieathletics.com/images/2005headlines/full/mcgee-lane-fsu07.jpg

[pearland aggie93]

a win is a win and 1step closer to a national championship :gig:

[Stobie]

They fought through the heat, and a team determined to win... awesome showing of heart and character from this Aggie Team!:gig:

[Pumchavas28]

They fought through the heat, and a team determined to win... awesome showing of heart and character from this Aggie Team!:gig:


Agreed... Can't remember a game where not only players but Fans & Refs were feeling it..... If the fans were almost passing out, can you imagine what they were going throuhg...

Last time I was in heat like that was in Bahrain.... it was 140 & so hot that the heat that bounced off the ground was hot enough to feel on your eye lids even when you looked down.....

That type of heat is no joke.....

[CoolaidWade]

They fought through the heat, and a team determined to win... awesome showing of heart and character from this Aggie Team!:gig:


:rep:

Yep. Old School Football too.

[Stobie]

I was listening to Dave south in the stands too and they were talking about recorded temps on the track was 120 and onthe field was 110.... Add the pads, running, and helmet..... I would sacrifice so much to be on the field with them but however... I am not the happiest that the game was that close and we gave up so much in the second half... But when you go undefeated a win is a win..... I just say look at all the other top tier/top 25 programs and look at the trouble they are having...

[GregH]

O played great; D-line was good; Secondary sucked; and FG needs improvement. When something is broke it needs to be fixed, or teams like ou, ne and tu will kick the ever-lovin' shyte out of us. Just my .02 worth

[jagowar]

imo there wasnt much great about the o beyond lane...

[Pumchavas28]

imo there wasnt much great about the o beyond lane...


Goodson was pretty damn good in the 1st half... in the 2nd half after he took that helicopter ride he wasn't the same the rest of the game....

I was hoping for a Reggie Bush type of performance from him but it didn't happen...

[jagowar]

Goodson was pretty damn good in the 1st half... in the 2nd half after he took that helicopter ride he wasn't the same the rest of the game....

I was hoping for a Reggie Bush type of performance from him but it didn't happen...
thats one of my bigger problems with our gameplan.... we are using goodson wrong imo. he is the type of player who is deadly whe he has space to work but too many times we wasted him running up the middle.

we need to get him more of those flares and wheel routes (and even a few screens maybe).

Jtrain should be the one hitting with the bigboys inside and its what he really does well but what goodson uses is his juking ability and that doesnt work well running between the tackles.

[Conan]

I don't know. You see, the reason we should complain is because we should have lost that game. It's not the players. IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS. It's the coaching staff. If we won the conference championship or a game against a ranked opponent or beat Texas like we beat Fresno State, then all is good (great even). This game is worthy of complaint because it affects the fans confidence in the season. We have a lot of work to do, and Fran better get his act together. I don't really want to hear about how happy he is about this game, I want to hear how he's going to push for much much better against LousMonroe.

I also wanted to comment about how much the freshman are the best 12th man. They made all the noise during and after the game. I love freshmen, and I loved being one. That was my favorite year, and freshmen are my favorite fans.

J-Train should get a medal.

Aggiefans.com posters: I'm happy that everyone is being positive, but don't bash me for being negative. We need to do better, but a W is a W

[Pumchavas28]

Alot of teams are winning games they shouldn't..... It's not just us....

Granted A&M is not them... but still....

[Vlyrock]

I don't know. You see, the reason we should complain is because we should have lost that game. It's not the players. IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS. It's the coaching staff.

Please explain that to me? You mean the Oline missing assignments and McGee getting hit is the coaching staff's fault? McGee's fumble on the opening drive of the 3rd that started Fresno State's comeback was the coaches fault?

The blown coverage and inability to bring down the quarterback was the coaches fault? The numerous penalties and personal fouls were the coaches fault?

When will fans start holding the players accountable? They played with no passion until the last 2 drives of the 4th quarter and overtime. They were up big at halftime and tried to coast the rest of the game....it was pathetic and disgusting, but you can't blame that on the coaches.

One thing you can validly argue is the lack of variation in playcalling. I can agree with you there, but you have to understand that there's a method to the madness and the coaches aren't going to unveil 100% of the playbook yet. Beating Fresno State is good and great, but if we pulled out all the stops, then come conference play -- we'd be up a creek because the good teams (OU, Nebraska, etc) would have our offense gameplanned....

I still think a lot of today's second half fiasco was the players fault. Misreads, lack of effort, and lack of fire hurt. The coaching staff wasn't perfect, but I'm tired of hearing how they're hurting us....

[The Massacre]

Conan isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, Vly. you're prolly just wasting your time explaining anything to him regarding this topic. he's not going to change his dumb thinking.

[jagowar]

When will fans start holding the players accountable? They played with no passion until the last 2 drives of the 4th quarter and overtime. They were up big at halftime and tried to coast the rest of the game....it was pathetic and disgusting, but you can't blame that on the coaches.

One thing you can validly argue is the lack of variation in playcalling. I can agree with you there, but you have to understand that there's a method to the madness and the coaches aren't going to unveil 100% of the playbook yet. Beating Fresno State is good and great, but if we pulled out all the stops, then come conference play -- we'd be up a creek because the good teams (OU, Nebraska, etc) would have our offense gameplanned....

I still think a lot of today's second half fiasco was the players fault. Misreads, lack of effort, and lack of fire hurt. The coaching staff wasn't perfect, but I'm tired of hearing how they're hurting us....

And its whose responsibility to get our players ready to fight? (yes i know its a round and round process). I believe the fault lies with both groups.

And you are still holding out hope for a playbook arent you.... this game showed me pretty convincingly we dont have and wont have a passing game this season.... again. a playbook wont change that (which at this point is 95% in). You have to remember this is the second full yr with mcgee (and most of the offense). if we havent used the full playbook at this point we are in way more trouble than we all think.

i read/heard fran put out this quote somewhere "we are going to have a chance to win every game" and its true but as today proved we are also going to have a chance to lose every game. we are in for another year exactly like last year.

[The Massacre]

i read/heard fran put out this quote somewhere "we are going to have a chance to win every game" and its true but as today proved we are also going to have a chance to lose every game. we are in for another year exactly like last year.

yep, that's almost exactly what he said, and you're right, that's what it means. a chance to win and a chance to lose every game.

[legelegel]

Conan isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, Vly. you're prolly just wasting your time explaining anything to him regarding this topic. he's not going to change his dumb thinking.

He's only 21. He's still young. He gets a pass.;)

[Pumchavas28]

yep, that's almost exactly what he said, and you're right, that's what it means. a chance to win and a chance to lose every game.


Isn't that a John Madden comment... every team has a chance to win & lose.....He's not saying anything that isn't common knowledge...

[Mezentius]

I think the game being so tight is on the staff...we could have iced this bitch in the first half by going for it on 4th and a very short 1.

The revert to RC dive/draw in the first half of the 4th quarter was sick...we hung our D out to dry.

We let Fresno State creep back into. I saw a great effort by the whole team. I saw McGee suck eggs in teh passing game but still get it done. More importantly I saw him recognize Lane's hot hand and fed him the ball on the option regardless of the read...that's why he's the QB.

I saw everyone play better than they did in the first game.

I saw the staff suck nuts for half a game for fear of showing something to the opposition.

I tell you what I did like though was the constant slot blitz in teh first half and again in OT. The D actually dictated some of the play for the first time in lord knows how long.


On another note that Fresno State TE is an animal.

[TexAg77]

No gets a pass and no one gets all the blame. It's a team effort and that includes both the coaches and the players. If you're gonna call the coaches out for unimaginative play calling or for not having the players ready, you've got to call out the players for not executing and not having the personal drive to get themselves ready and vice-versa..

The first half looked pretty good. The second half looked like the "team" had decided to mail it in until late in the 4th quarter when they realized that they were in a dog fight, not cake walk. Be thankful that J-Train decided to become an Aggie or this would have been a L instead of W.

Now it's time to put this almost fiasco behind us and get ready for ULM.

[CHHS_Aggie]

Ok so was I the only one that noticed that whenever Fresno would run to the outside their TE (usually sometimes a receiver or tackle) would blatantly hold our edge guy and it wouldn't get called?

[Loftin]

Worth a 1k words..

http://www.aggieathletics.com/images/2005headlines/full/mcgee-lane-fsu07.jpg

The heart and soul of our team. I have 100% confidence in those two when the game is on the line.

[Pumchavas28]

Ok so was I the only one that noticed that whenever Fresno would run to the outside their TE (usually sometimes a receiver or tackle) would blatantly hold our edge guy and it wouldn't get called?
I did too.... On their 2nd TD, both Bennett & Gorrer were held & they showed the replay like 5 times....

[Mezentius]

You are not alone in that observation. My whole section was aghast.

[macduff93]

Were all the officials from the WAC?

[Pumchavas28]

Were all the officials from the WAC?
yes....

[whitelightnin_23]

Were all the officials from the WAC?

acc to the announcers, the replay booth was from the B12.

[macduff93]

acc to the announcers, the replay booth was from the B12.


That would make sense, but aren't they powerless unless an official on the field initiates a call? Even if a foul is obvious to everyone else present and on film, the replay officials are moot unless a flag is thrown, right?

I wonder how frustrated and pissed off the replay crew was and is? :spy:

[Vlyrock]

No, the replay officials can buzz at any time to have a play reviewed.

[macduff93]

No, the replay officials can buzz at any time to have a play reviewed.


But I've only seen that happen in relation to the ball actually crossing the plan or the carrier or receiver, not a foul on a defender, unless a flag is thrown. How many reviews have taken place under such circumstances that would penalize a team when an official on the field didn't see it?

[TexAgFromCal]

No, the replay officials can buzz at any time to have a play reviewed.


But they can only review certain plays. They cannot come back and review missed penalties.

For those that claim we are holding back part of our O for conference play or our bigger opponents are completely wrong. Why lose to fresno state in an effort to hide something for future games?

[addsae]

anyone thinking that they should have steamrolled without a problem should slap themselves.sitting in the stands and knowing that Fresno is a problem school when they play big schools was there in the back of my head and did not suprise me that they fought as hard as they did. Just happy that the good guys fought harder to get the W and thats what matters let the stat keepers on the boards worry themselves i worry about the W/L's:gig:

[muybonita]

Glad to see that everyone still has their head stuck in the sand over here. You guys would go down on the Titanic and still swear nothing was wrong as the ship was going under. Vly, those players, 100% of them, were recruited and coached by these coaches you are defending. It's the coaches job to recruit, develop, and motivate these players. It's also the coaches' jobs to develop schemes that will put our players in positions to succeed. It is also the coaches job to make adjustments to the gameplan if it ain't working. Guess what? our coaching staff gets a big ol' fat "F". Vly, are you and fran one and the same?

[Conan]

Conan isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, Vly. you're prolly just wasting your time explaining anything to him regarding this topic. he's not going to change his dumb thinking.

I can't believe you guys call me stupid for blaming the coaches. The players are playing their hardest. If you can't see that you're an idiot. It's the coaches job to get them ready to play against the pass and block for McGee. The coaches are the one's NOT MAKING ADJUSTMENTS and not calling good plays. Running Goodson 3 times in a row at 2 points in the game for 3 and outs is retarded. Anyone who has like a 29-25 record here at A&M over 5+ seasons is the problem. Can't believe you could call me crazy. Someone please give me some credit here

[SHAG69]

I don't know. You see, the reason we should complain is because we should have lost that game. It's not the players. IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS. It's the coaching staff. If we won the conference championship or a game against a ranked opponent or beat Texas like we beat Fresno State, then all is good (great even). This game is worthy of complaint because it affects the fans confidence in the season. We have a lot of work to do, and Fran better get his act together. I don't really want to hear about how happy he is about this game, I want to hear how he's going to push for much much better against LousMonroe.

I also wanted to comment about how much the freshman are the best 12th man. They made all the noise during and after the game. I love freshmen, and I loved being one. That was my favorite year, and freshmen are my favorite fans.

J-Train should get a medal.

Aggiefans.com posters: I'm happy that everyone is being positive, but don't bash me for being negative. We need to do better, but a W is a W


Amen, Amen, Amen, I could not have said it better or more eloquently.
Fran is over his head.

[SHAG69]

Glad to see that everyone still has their head stuck in the sand over here. You guys would go down on the Titanic and still swear nothing was wrong as the ship was going under. Vly, those players, 100% of them, were recruited and coached by these coaches you are defending. It's the coaches job to recruit, develop, and motivate these players. It's also the coaches' jobs to develop schemes that will put our players in positions to succeed. It is also the coaches job to make adjustments to the gameplan if it ain't working. Guess what? our coaching staff gets a big ol' fat "F". Vly, are you and fran one and the same?

Amen, Amen, Amen, Fran is over his head.

[Pflugerville Ag]

I can't believe you guys call me stupid for blaming the coaches. The players are playing their hardest. If you can't see that you're an idiot. It's the coaches job to get them ready to play against the pass and block for McGee. The coaches are the one's NOT MAKING ADJUSTMENTS and not calling good plays. Running Goodson 3 times in a row at 2 points in the game for 3 and outs is retarded. Anyone who has like a 29-25 record here at A&M over 5+ seasons is the problem. Can't believe you could call me crazy. Someone please give me some credit here

Just b/c you are playing hard does not mean you are exempt from blame. I guess its Fran's fault that we had 3 personal fouls and more penalty yards than passing yards, right?

[Mezentius]

Yes...attempt a pass or two downfield if for no other reason than to get the safeties off the line of scrimmage.

1 personal foul was a fantom facemask that I still haven't seen...the other two yes go to coaching. If you hit the QB more than one step after he throws you get a flag. You might not agree with it, but its your job to control your body. That is discipline and discipline starts at the top.

I'm not for canning Fran or anything but his game plan was bad on Saturday. I mean what about maybe a toss to Goodson rather than 4 sprint draws in a row?

[Pflugerville Ag]

1 personal foul was a fantom facemask that I still haven't seen...the other two yes go to coaching. If you hit the QB more than one step after he throws you get a flag. You might not agree with it, but its your job to control your body. That is discipline and discipline starts at the top.

I completely disagree. Late hits and penalites like that are noone's fault but the player's.

[whitelightnin_23]

I completely disagree. Late hits and penalites like that are noone's fault but the player's.

exactly...

see my argument for "not controlling your players" when SA said it was Fran's fault if McGee didn't take himself out of the game IF he was hampered by a concussion...(in Loftin's Game analysis thread)

that's a pretty silly argument...now it is the Coach's responsibility to discipline said player accordingly AFTER the penalty, but there is no way of knowing when or if someone will commit a penalty...the game is too emotional

[Vlyrock]

There's obviously two sides to this (as there always is).

You either want the coach fired so everything is his fault (including players making stupid penalties and making bad plays/decisions) or those that aren't on the fire-coach bandwagon and can distribute the blame evenly.

Nobody's saying we're perfect -- and I'm sure everybody acknowledges there's room for improvement -- however, 100% of the blame can't be on the coaches.

If your biggest beef is with the halftime adjustments from this SINGLE game, then where the hell were you when Darnell made brilliant halftime adjustments all of last year? Oh that's right, you were complaining because, "On one play we did this, or one play we did that. Fire the coaches! They're idiots!!"

You can't please some people -- and that's obvious on message boards.

[The Massacre]

Glad to see that everyone still has their head stuck in the sand over here. You guys would go down on the Titanic and still swear nothing was wrong as the ship was going under. Vly, those players, 100% of them, were recruited and coached by these coaches you are defending. It's the coaches job to recruit, develop, and motivate these players. It's also the coaches' jobs to develop schemes that will put our players in positions to succeed. It is also the coaches job to make adjustments to the gameplan if it ain't working. Guess what? our coaching staff gets a big ol' fat "F". Vly, are you and fran one and the same?

they get an F when we won the game? another ridiculous post by the einstein that is, muybonita. go get back under your rock.

IF Coach Fran gets fired at some point in the future we'll let you know so you can come out from under it and have something to say besides complaints.

[Pumchavas28]

they get an F when we won the game? another ridiculous post by the einstein that is, muybonita. go get back under your rock.

IF Coach Fran gets fired at some point in the future we'll let you know so you can come out from under it and have something to say besides complaints.


Gotta love being ranked 18th & folks still pissed....:laugh:

[The Massacre]

i seriously believe some folks would be ok with tanking every game until Coach Fran was fired just so he got fired. that is truly sad.

[Pumchavas28]

Pretty much.....

[Mezentius]

I think in all organizations discipline and excellence starts at the top and trickles down. Why are the Raiders always the most penalized team in the NFL by a long shot?

Sure its on the players to not do it but they also need to be taught that officiating (especially holdding and roughing the passer) is subjective and varies from game to game. If it's being called tight like it is on Saturday it is the coaches job to coach his players to that. That's why the call it coaching. Now that last penalty is not necessarily on Fran...I'm not saying that but I'm saying its been a consistent problem late in games for 2 years.

I think Fran's game plan was spot on in the first half....sucked in the third and first half of the 4th quarter and then got back on track....his play calling nearly got us beaten by an inferior foe. Do I want him fired? Hell no, but I still think his play selection sucked for nearly half the game and was radically different (and for no reason) from half to half.

I think this was caused by his worry that showing too much too early given how tough the late season schedule is over rode actually putting the game away.
Honestly I would have also sat McGee down for a series or two in the third quarter just to settle him down...he just looked out of synch passing.

[whitelightnin_23]

^
^
Fact check...
unless you're talking about the 96 raiders...you're not really accurate...
http://www.nfl.com/history/randf/records/team/penalties

Also...how many coaches have the Raydas had over the last 7 years??? I'd hardly attribute their thuggish demeanor on coaching, rather...the ownerships affinity for signing thugs and former crimnals...I'd HARDLY say that is a practice @ A&M...

[Mezentius]

15 years (all in the modern super bowl era). Chicago has led the league 4 times (they must have tied in the 1963) since Oakland's inception. That means nobody is within 8 years of the Raiders in the modern (Superbowl) era. Leading the league 33% of the time in penalties for your whole existence is not a good thing.

Your last sentence proves my point. Ownership and management in the NFL does what is their version of recruiting...I would consider them the top of the organizational food chain would you not?

Another note who was the coach of the team that led the NFL in penalties frm 88-90? Jerry Glanville of the OIlers...yeah he was disciplined...it was all his players, he had nothing to do with it at all.

What about two fo the top 3 most penalized teams by yards of all time? The Raiders in 69 and 96...two completely different time frams? The only correlation the general manager/owner or he who brings in the players and coaches and sets the tone for the organization.

It starts at the top. When we can go a season without 2 games being altered by a stupid penalty in the last couple of possessions then I will change my toon.

My definition of a stupid penalty being any late hit of any kind...or any personal foul or automatic first down giving penalty not involving pass interference saving a sure TD (see every other pass thrown to Robert Ferguson while he was in College Station ;) ).


I'm not saying A&M is a bunch of thugs...far far far from it. I think we had quite a few thugs to end the Slocum due to trying to keep up with OU and tu on the field.

I'm just saying that there has been an alarming trend of late in the game gaffes by the players that has gone on unfixed and to lay it just on the players is a cop out imo.

I'm actually a pretty big Fran supporter because I think our program was in a complete shambles when he came in and has done a steady job brining the team back to respectability both on and off the field.
I'm just saying for all this game was his worst coaching job while at A&M and that these roughing the passer penalties ultimately fall to his staff as it's their job to coach all aspects of the game.

[The Massacre]

I'm just saying for all this game was his worst coaching job while at A&M

wow. i'm not sure i'd even come close to saying that, but i'm no coach either. out of all the games we got our arsses handed to us, u think this game was the worst coached game of Coach Fran's tenure? wow.

[whitelightnin_23]

first people attacking McGee's heart for risking injury (or playing injured)...and blaming our coach...
now people complaining about aggressive play & pointing the finger at the coach...

I'm sure if we had no penalties there would be people wondering where our aggressiveness has gone...:bored:

I agree that the stupid penalties need to stop...I also see that DARNELL has these guys playing a LOT more aggressive than last year (they were laying hellova lot of wood last game)...I'm sure there's a few that are taking it too far...and that DOES need to be corrected, and I'm sure it will...

[whitelightnin_23]

wow. i'm not sure i'd even come close to saying that, but i'm no coach either. out of all the games we got our arsses handed to us, u think this game was the worst coached game of Coach Fran's tenure? wow.

yeah...that was pretty ridonkulous....

[Mezentius]

Yes I think it was his worst called game on Offense. I don't think he does much with the Defense. He called a crap game in the second half until all was nearly lost.


I give him a pass on every game in 2003. The talent level he had to work with and the attitudes he inherited were crap. This O line brought to you by him not panicing in 03 and playing the little piglets before they were ready.

04...Tennessee game comes to mind, but again loosing your best player and QB on the opening series or two to a concussion (yes he played but he was foggy) can hamper you quite a bit.

05....tough tough year but the team ended so strong maybe I'm just blocking it out. I think it was the bad before it gets worse part of the cycle. Again not really on his coaching in hindsite...he held to the plan and I think it paid off in 06. I think his biggest blunder was how he handled what looks to have been massive derision on the team between Fran and RC era players.

06 had a couple of questionable plays which we've all discussed but a whole game/half of just bizaarness I would say not.


Fresno State should not have been within 28 points of this team...the player effort was there...the execution of their bread and butter was there. The abandonment of the option for the dive up the middle was absolutely horrendous. It was complete frustration.

**Editorial note** I did not see the Iowa State 05 game past the first few minutes so I might be wrong in hindsight but refrain from commenting as I didn't see it.

[Mezentius]

first people attacking McGee's heart for risking injury (or playing injured)...and blaming our coach...
now people complaining about aggressive play & pointing the finger at the coach...

I'm sure if we had no penalties there would be people wondering where our aggressiveness has gone...:bored:

I agree that the stupid penalties need to stop...I also see that DARNELL has these guys playing a LOT more aggressive than last year (they were laying hellova lot of wood last game)...I'm sure there's a few that are taking it too far...and that DOES need to be corrected, and I'm sure it will...


The late hits aren't aggressive they are moronic. If you need to take two steps at the QB to hit him after he has thrown you will get a penalty flag thrown on you. You are responsible for your actions on the QB that's the rule...I think its called a bit too tight but there it is.

I loved the aggressive defensive calls for a lot of the game. The long play in the 4th quarter was caused by the aggressive play but 9 times out of 10 it ends positively for the good guys. Let me repeat that I love aggressive play but I aggree with you and i think we agree on most of our points...the stupidity has to stop late in games.

I don't know who is questioning McGee's heart...wasn't me. I would have benched him for a series just to calm him down throwing wise...especially going away from the option anyway.

[Pumchavas28]

There were 3 or 4 times where the Fresno State DE's took 2 or 3 steps before hitting McGee if not as hard as our boys, harder.....

Nothing was called on them....

[Mezentius]

Pum I agree, but that deals more with the well documented ineptitude of the WAC crew. I think the refs were worth 1 TD on Saturday.

We also drawn penalties because QB's go down at the slightest brush and our guys are basically pushing them down...sort of a shove. It just looks bad to the ref...think of it as drawing a cheap charge in basketball.

Can LSU survive those penalties right now? Yes
Can we? No

[Aggiefan]

i seriously believe some folks would be ok with tanking every game until Coach Fran was fired just so he got fired. that is truly sad.

Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody's got one and they all stink.

[whitelightnin_23]

Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody's got one and they all stink.


wrong...STUPID opinions are like a-holes...we all have them, they all stink...just a few of us let them out...

;)

[Pumchavas28]

Can LSU survive those penalties right now? Yes
Can we? No


Not many can.... I'd say OU & maybe, Florida & USC are the only other schools that really can....

This team is on par with the rest of the ranked teams.... Not 1 team that is ranked outside of OU, LSU, USC & Florida that has just flat out dominated & not warranted some type of discomfort for their fans.... Teams that are unranked are the same if not worst....

[Pflugerville Ag]

Saying that its the coach's fault for penalties to me is just like blaming a teacher when a kid fails a class b/c they didn't do their homework. The teacher can teach as good as they can everyday, but if the student chooses to make stupid errors in judgement, then there is nothing that the teacher can do.

In regards to halftime adjustments, what did you want Fran and his coaches to change? We were up 19-0 and Fresno State has given zero indication that they would ever be able to move the ball on us or stop us on defense.

[Pumchavas28]

Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody's got one and they all stink.


Would this be considered an Opinion??? :popcorn:

[whitelightnin_23]

Saying that its the coach's fault for penalties to me is just like blaming a teacher when a kid fails a class b/c they didn't do their homework. The teacher can teach as good as they can everyday, but if the student chooses to make stupid errors in judgement, then there is nothing that the teacher can do.

In regards to halftime adjustments, what did you want Fran and his coaches to change? We were up 19-0 and Fresno State has given zero indication that they would ever be able to move the ball on us or stop us on defense.

good analogy...:gig:

[Gravy]

Wow, so now Fran lovers are blaming the players, but as little as a year ago were slamming people for not supporting the team. Way to go fella's, way to go.

Just wait until Dustin sees this. You think slamming a coach chases away recruits.....I am sure slamming players will really get them jazzed up to come here.

:laugh:

[Pflugerville Ag]

Wow, so now Fran lovers are blaming the players, but as little as a year ago were slamming people for not supporting the team. Way to go fella's, way to go.

Just wait until Dustin sees this. You think slamming a coach chases away recruits.....I am sure slamming players will really get them jazzed up to come here.

:laugh:

I'm not slamming players by any means. I'm just arguing with people that think the coaches are to blame for penalies. You can blame the coaches for personnel, schemes, etc, but penalties is something that falls solely on the players.

[Pumchavas28]

I almost started slammin players but was adult enough to take it back....

BUt folks who blame only the coach, aren't seeing the whole thing....

It's a team game.... I'd understand if Fran strapped on a helmet & tried to run it or pass it on 3rd & 2... but he can't do everything...

[Mezentius]

He did change...he abandoned the option and fed Goodson straight draw type plays for three possessions consistently getting behind the chains and most importantly not letting our D get a breather.

Maybe McGee was dinged up for a bit...bell run etc. But the offense he ran in the third quarter and most of the 4th quarter(he being Fran). Maybe Lane was gassed a bit and needed a breatehr I don't know...I do know It was a 180 on offense and it didn't seem to me to be momentum related. Hell a couple of plays were run right into the blitz.

I think we went a quarter and a half without really seeing Lane and Goodson in the same backfield...it just made me shake my head.

We didn't keep our defense off the field and it cost us as they wore down in the 4th quarter.

Good point on the penalties but I think a coach has a ton to do with penalties...I want to see the roughing the passer penalties (we had more of those than we did sacks) at the end of games stop.

[Pumchavas28]

Anyone remember how thost straight plays had success last year with Goodson up the middle?

Anyone wanna take a peak at www.agclips.com (http://www.agclips.com) ?????

[Mezentius]

Yes they had success as a change of pace but not as the staple of the running game. Especially when the opposing team is on to it from the get go and your defense desperately needs to stay off the field given the hot conditions. Also given our triple option game was giving them fits.

It was almost as if Fran was saying this will be successful..trying to will it to be successful when it couldn't be given the game conditions. Round peg into a square hole given the way the game was going.

I've always said that there are things in the game that we might not see (hell we know that's the case) and I could see some sort of logic for almost every call...but the third quarter seemed to be appease the home run back with some carries and let's see what happens even though it's obviously not working.

Like hitting in black jack when the dealer holds bust cards.

[Pumchavas28]

Yes they had success as a change of pace but not as the staple of the running game. Especially when the opposing team is on to it from the get go and your defense desperately needs to stay off the field given the hot conditions. Also given our triple option game was giving them fits.

It was almost as if Fran was saying this will be successful..trying to will it to be successful when it couldn't be given the game conditions. Round peg into a square hole given the way the game was going.

I've always said that there are things in the game that we might not see (hell we know that's the case) and I could see some sort of logic for almost every call...but the third quarter seemed to be appease the home run back with some carries and let's see what happens even though it's obviously not working.

Like hitting in black jack when the dealer holds bust cards.

Hold the phone.... folks on here are saying A&M should win on Talent alone.... but isn't your quote here saying that Fran is doing the same thing? Yet folks are pissed about the outcome are pissed at the way he thinks.... But they are thinking the same way.... :popcorn:

Fran's expecting it to work off of Talent alone...