without bias

[Superaggie79]

name your top 10 ncaa qb's in the nation in order. Bucky on the radio this morning was trying to say that McCoy was at least the second best qb in the nation this year... it was funny because his partner wasn't even supporting him.

[Loftin]

1. John David Booty (USC)
2. Brian Brohm (Louisville)
3. Chad Henne (Michigan)
4. Bobby Reid (Oklahoma State)
5. Pat White (West Virginia)
6. Colt Brennan (Hawaii)
7. Eric Ainge (Tennessee)
8. Matt Stafford (Georgia)
9. Stephen McGee (Texas A&M)
10. Chase Daniel (Mizzou)

However, I honestly believe that Tim Tebow will be on everyone's top 5 by the end of the season.

[PinetarAg]

1. Brian Brohm
2. Pat White
3. John David Booty
4. Colt Brennan
5. Chad Henne
6. Matt Ryan (BC)
7. Eric Ainge
8. Matt Stafford
9. Stephen Mcgee
10. Nate Longshore or the kid from Alabama--something Wilson

[PinetarAg]

Also the kid from Kentucky (can't remember his name either) but from what I've read she should at least be considered there

[Superaggie79]

1. John David Booty (USC)
2. Brian Brohm (Louisville)
3. Chad Henne (Michigan)
4. Bobby Reid (Oklahoma State)
5. Pat White (West Virginia)
6. Colt Brennan (Hawaii)
7. Eric Ainge (Tennessee)
8. Matt Stafford (Georgia)
9. Stephen McGee (Texas A&M)
10. Chase Daniel (Mizzou)

However, I honestly believe that Tim Tebow will be on everyone's top 5 by the end of the season.
Is that based on what you think they'll do? Cuz I don't think Reid and Stafford deserve to be on the list.

[legelegel]

1. John David Booty (USC)
2. Brian Brohm (Louisville)
3. Chad Henne (Michigan)
4. Bobby Reid (Oklahoma State)
5. Pat White (West Virginia)
6. Colt Brennan (Hawaii)
7. Eric Ainge (Tennessee)
8. Matt Stafford (Georgia)
9. Stephen McGee (Texas A&M)
10. Chase Daniel (Mizzou)



Is that based on what you think they'll do? Cuz I don't think Reid and Stafford deserve to be on the list.

I agree, Super. We will see how really good those two are when they play against each other in Athens on Sept.1.
I also like that kid in the Maroon and I'll watch him move up.:popcorn:

[WesTxAg]

1. Brian Brohm
2. Colt Brennan
3. John David Booty
4. Chad Henne
5. Pat White
6. Andre Woodson
7. Erik Ainge
8. Bobby Reid
9, Chase Daniel
10. Nate Longshore

--I think McGee belongs in this group but I couldn't honestly put his numbers against their numbers from last year and act like he should be in the middle of this pack just yet. I know, I know, QB'ing isn't all about numbers, it's about leadership and McGee has that, I just wanna see some respectable passing numbers to go along with it--

-I put Daniel in there instead of McCoy because Daniel had less weapons to work with and still lit it up. I think he's just a better football player, and therefore a better QB than McCoy-

[legelegel]

1. Brian Brohm
2. Colt Brennan
3. John David Booty
4. Chad Henne
5. Pat White
6. Andre Woodson
7. Erik Ainge
8. Bobby Reid
9, Chase Daniel
10. Nate Longshore

--I think McGee belongs in this group but I couldn't honestly put his numbers against their numbers from last year and act like he should be in the middle of this pack just yet. I know, I know, QB'ing isn't all about numbers, it's about leadership and McGee has that, I just wanna see some respectable passing numbers to go along with it--

-I put Daniel in there instead of McCoy because Daniel had less weapons to work with and still lit it up. I think he's just a better football player, and therefore a better QB than McCoy-

Oh,hell. A numbers man. Another bean counter.;)

You need to look into the eyes of a good QB again. How could not want this kid to be on your QB list? I'm going to come take that Vizsla away from you.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5949/mcgeestephenzw0.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Mole]

McGee....um.....McGee.....um.....gosh this is hard.

[TA09]

where is that pic from?

[legelegel]

where is that pic from?

Welcome, TA09, Here's you answer to your first post.

That one and many more at: http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=ybr_sbc&va=stephen+mcgee&sz=all (http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=ybr_sbc&va=stephen+mcgee&sz=all)

[Loftin]

1. Stephen McGee
2. Jerrod Johnson
3. Ryan Tannehill
4. T.J. Sanders
5. Jeff Wood
6. Jamie McCoy
7. Chris Caflisch

[legelegel]

1. Stephen McGee
2. Jerrod Johnson
3. Ryan Tannehill
4. T.J. Sanders
5. Jeff Wood
6. Jamie McCoy
7. Chris Caflisch

That is much better, Loftin. But something may be showing, especially in your player positioning of the last two.

[Loftin]

That is much better, Loftin. But something may be showing, especially in your player positioning of the last two.

The last 2 were QBs in HS.

[Mezentius]

I don't know about top 10 but my personal favorites if I had to win a game or lead a team (in semi order):
McGee
Henne
White
Ried
Flynn

[legelegel]

The last 2 were QBs in HS.

I thought there may have been such a trap set for me.:headslap:

[Superaggie79]

1. Brian Brohm
2. Colt Brennan
3. John David Booty
4. Chad Henne
5. Pat White
6. Andre Woodson
7. Erik Ainge
8. Bobby Reid
9, Chase Daniel
10. Nate Longshore

--I think McGee belongs in this group but I couldn't honestly put his numbers against their numbers from last year and act like he should be in the middle of this pack just yet. I know, I know, QB'ing isn't all about numbers, it's about leadership and McGee has that, I just wanna see some respectable passing numbers to go along with it--

-I put Daniel in there instead of McCoy because Daniel had less weapons to work with and still lit it up. I think he's just a better football player, and therefore a better QB than McCoy-
while I agree about the numbers what kind of numbers did pat white put up in the air? :spy:

[Burnetaggie99]

Brohm
White
Booty
McGee
Henne
Brennan
Longshore
Daniel
Olsen
Woodson

[WesTxAg]

while I agree about the numbers what kind of numbers did pat white put up in the air? :spy:
who said numbers they had to be thru the air?

I'm not just a numbers man...combine the two together...that's why i said mcgee got my vote just from a leadership & intangibles(sp?) standpoint

[Superaggie79]

I know but McGee had a ton of yards on the ground too... isn't there a site that sorts stats several different ways? I'd be interested to see where mcgee ranks with yards by a qb that threw at least 12 td's

[WesTxAg]

mcgee had 666 yards rushing
pat had somewhere around 1219 yds on the ground

mcgee - almost 2300 yards thru the air, 12 TDs
pat - 1655, 13 TDs

[Superaggie79]

see to me that doesn't make White a good qb... it makes him an amazing athlete but a qb should be able to throw when they take away the run. I don't know that he's able to do that and it will be West Virginia's downfall this season... just my opinion.

[WesTxAg]

see to me that doesn't make White a good qb... it makes him an amazing athlete but a qb should be able to throw when they take away the run. I don't know that he's able to do that and it will be West Virginia's downfall this season... just my opinion.
i agree...but i think south florida was the only school to really take away WVU's run(maybe Louisville for 1/2)

[GuatemalanAg]

Is Booty really that good??? What if he would play on a team that wasn't loaded :huh:

[pearland aggie93]

1.brain brohm
2. john david booty
3.pat white
4.chad henne
5.colt brennan
6.graham harrell
7stephen mcgee
8.Brandm cox
9.erik angi3
10.matt stafford

[WesTxAg]

Is Booty really that good??? What if he would play on a team that wasn't loaded :huh:
then he would have started as a fish:bored:

[Conan]

I don't think McGee should be up there. If there was a winner category or best QB on a heavy rushing team, then yeah he'd be #1.

1. John David Booty (USC)
2. Chase Daniel (Mizzou)
3. Colt Brennan (Hawaii)
4. Pat White (West Virginia)
5. Eric Ainge (Tennesse)
6. Chad Henne (Michigan)
7. Nate Longshore (Cal)
8. Brian Brohm (Louisville)
9. Andre Woodson (Kentucky)
10.Matt Moore (Oregon State)

I don't know WHAT you guys see in Matthew Stafford...
52.7 Completion Pct. (not that good)
1729 passing yards (decent for his playing)
7 passing TDs (weak)
13 INTs (BAD)
6.83 yrds per attempt

I know he's young, but he threw 3 ints against South Carolina, 3 ints against Mississippi St, and 3 ints against Kentucky. He's going to lose some games for Georgia next season. So before he makes MY top 10 list he needs to prove a lot more. Top 10 is a tough list.

[Pumchavas28]

Why does everyone keep puttin Pat White on their lists?????

He falls in that Reggie Category... of being a GREAT ATHLETE, but average QB....

He's not on my Top 10.... JMO....

I know, I know Loftin... Reggie, Reggie, Reggie.....

[pearland aggie93]

I don't think McGee should be up there. If there was a winner category or best QB on a heavy rushing team, then yeah he'd be #1.

1. John David Booty (USC)
2. Chase Daniel (Mizzou)
3. Colt Brennan (Hawaii)
4. Pat White (West Virginia)
5. Eric Ainge (Tennesse)
6. Chad Henne (Michigan)
7. Nate Longshore (Cal)
8. Brian Brohm (Louisville)
9. Andre Woodson (Kentucky)
10.Matt Moore (Oregon State)

I don't know WHAT you guys see in Matthew Stafford...
52.7 Completion Pct. (not that good)
1729 passing yards (decent for his playing)
7 passing TDs (weak)
13 INTs (BAD)
6.83 yrds per attempt

I know he's young, but he threw 3 ints against South Carolina, 3 ints against Mississippi St, and 3 ints against Kentucky. He's going to lose some games for Georgia next season. So before he makes MY top 10 list he needs to prove a lot more. Top 10 is a tough list.


well because stafford was a freshman last year and he had zero running game so he had to throw

[Pumchavas28]

Stafford is over rated... Not until the last 3 games of the Georgia season did he actually win the job.... Most of that was also due to injuries to the other QB's on their depth chart...

Ya'll are giving him way too much credit....:popcorn:

[Loftin]

He falls in that Reggie Category... of being a GREAT ATHLETE, but average QB....

I guess having more passing yards than any QB in Aggie History isn't enough for you. What an ignorant statement.

I'm suprised at how many people look at athletic QB's who have the ability to run, and completely discount them because they have MORE skills than typical QBs.

Give me someone like Reggie McNeal, Pat White or Tim Tebow ANY day of the week over someone like Colt McCoy, Dustin Long or Rhett Bomar.

[Pumchavas28]

Considering that Michael Vick (someone like Reggie) is the only one to win a National Championship... YOu can have that kind of QB..... And please don't say VY is like Reggie cause their not.....

But when you look it up... guys like Leinart, Leak & the LSU & OU QB's of the recent past have been the ones in the big games.... :popcorn:

[Loftin]

And please don't say VY is like Reggie cause their not.....

You're right. Reggie is a better passer...

[Conan]

well because stafford was a freshman last year and he had zero running game so he had to throw

Ok (I can agree), but he hasn't proven to be a top 10 qb then. He wasn't awesome... not even very good. Top 10? WTF

[Superaggie79]

In completing 194 of his 313 pass attempts, he set a school record for completion percentage (62 percent). He was just one of four quarterbacks in the nation to throw for 2,000 yards (2,295) and rush for 500 yards (666), and just the second to do so in A&M history (McNeal, 2004). He threw a measly two interceptions (fewest in the nation by a starter) in those 313 attempts, an interception percentage of just 0.64 -- also best in NCAA Division I-A. In fact, only one other quarterback in the country had an interception percentage below 1.00 (Houston's Kevin Kolb, 0.93).
with these numbers I think McGee should be in everyone's top 5

[Pumchavas28]

with these numbers I think McGee should be in everyone's top 5


Agreed.... When was the last time an A&M QB threw fewer INT's after starting & finishing every game in that same year???

[PinetarAg]

Considering that Michael Vick (someone like Reggie) is the only one to win a National Championship


Vick never won the NC....they lost to FSU

hth

[Pumchavas28]

Vick never won the NC....they lost to FSU

hth


Even more so.....

[CoolaidWade]

John David Booty would be my #1 as of right now just from last season. I couldn't intelligently do a top ten at this point.

[whitelightnin_23]

I'm suprised at how many people look at athletic QB's who have the ability to run, and completely discount them because they have MORE skills than typical QBs.

Give me someone like Reggie McNeal, Pat White or Tim Tebow ANY day of the week over someone like Colt McCoy, Dustin Long or Rhett Bomar.

That statement might be a little myopic (short sighted)...

That may work for a "flash in the pan" season in College, but in the long run (NFL) it won't work...or at least really hasn't happened yet...and DEFINITELY can't compare to the success of traditional drop back passers...

more skills/personal stats doesn't necessarily equate to championships...which I see as the true measuring stick of a good QB/leader of an offense.

you look at most "running QBs" who stick around in the NFL & they eventually "mature" into a drop back passing QB.

McNair
McNabb

VICK is not there...(probably never will have the chance)

Steve Young is the only one (off the top of my head) who really successfully put the two together...but it was always pass first.

the difficult decision most "running QBs" have is that because they are so talented in their running ability, they choose to run after their first (or maybe second) options are open...and many times that is the wrong decision.

You see McNabb NOW scrambling using his legs to find the open passer, rather than try to get 5-6 yards rushing...

[Loftin]

Steve Young is the only one (off the top of my head) who really successfully put the two together...but it was always pass first.

Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon immediately come to mind.

As far as saying that liking the dual-threat QBs is short-sighted, I think the NFL is short-sighted. That's why Warren Moon had to play QB in the CFL for years before anyone gave him a chance. That's why players like Reggie McNeal and Antwan Randel-El have to play out of position. After wasting his rookie season as a RB for the Jets, Brad Smith finally got a chance to play QB. The result? He played better than any other QB in the game (both teams).

[Pumchavas28]

http://tamu.scout.com/a.z?s=187&p=2&c=669745

Here is a list I can agree with... I wouldn't trade McGee for anything or anyone, but if I had to list the Top 10 or 20... This list makes perfect sense to me..... :popcorn:

[whitelightnin_23]

I think the NFL is short-sighted.


ok...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Pumchavas28]

Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon immediately come to mind.

As far as saying that liking the dual-threat QBs is short-sighted, I think the NFL is short-sighted. That's why Warren Moon had to play QB in the CFL for years before anyone gave him a chance. That's why players like Reggie McNeal and Antwan Randel-El have to play out of position. After wasting his rookie season as a RB for the Jets, Brad Smith finally got a chance to play QB. The result? He played better than any other QB in the game (both teams).


One game.... WOW.... Damn... Brad Smith is the truth..... :headslap:

[Pumchavas28]

ok...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


I guess Loftin missed the 1st QB taken in the NFL draft this year.... and the $100 Million dollar contract that Vick had before he threw it away...... I guess the Deadskins sticking by Jason Campbell & grooming him is bias also..... Makes you wonder if the Jaguars are Bias????? Were the Vikings Bias by taking Daunte Culpeper or the Eagles for taking McNabb despite their Fans hating em for it......

If that's bias.... then damnit... sign me up for some..... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Loftin]

McNabb is not a dual-threat. He never really has been. Neither has Daunte Culpepper.

[whitelightnin_23]

McNabb is not a dual-threat. He never really has been. Neither has Daunte Culpepper.

ok...that REALLY doesn't help your argument then...


who would you consider a dual-thread QB???

compare Moon's rushing stats w/ McNabb & Culpepper...

[whitelightnin_23]

After wasting his rookie season as a RB for the Jets, Brad Smith finally got a chance to play QB. The result? He played better than any other QB in the game (both teams).

Can't believe I missed this...
you can't be serious...

Brad Smith???

[Loftin]

Can't believe I missed this...
you can't be serious...

Brad Smith???

You obviously didn't see the game. You, like most other short-sighted people, dismissed him as a "fast athlete." He played very well at QB.

[whitelightnin_23]

You obviously didn't see the game. You, like most other short-sighted people, dismissed him as a "fast athlete." He played very well at QB.

you've got to be ****ting me...

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29469&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=PRE2

one PRESEASON game...and END of the THIRD quarter where he NO doubt saw the cream of the mighty Vikings defense...:bored:

and his numbers...4/6 for 21 yards!!! Holy Monkey ****!
He is the next vick...wait...culpepper...no...Reggie...errr...vy. ..ummm..he's going to be the best dual thread QB since Steve Young!!! :gig:

[whitelightnin_23]

Loftin...I know you were kidding...:rep: for making me laugh!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Loftin]

Loftin...I know you were kidding...:rep: for making me laugh!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I was serious...

[whitelightnin_23]

I was serious...

oh...
:wow::wow::wow:

free :rep: then....

[legelegel]

I was serious...

He's still not smiling.