No Heisman Hopeful for Ags....

[Pumchavas28]

Seems acording to FOX... A&M has no shot at getting a Heisman....

These are the 20 guys who FOX thinks has the best shot at getting the Heisman.... No I don't think it's an Aggie bashing article or anything.... But I do want to point out something...

Both Goodson & Lane are just as good, if not better than every RB listed below after McFadden & Slaton..... maybe even Slaton....

I just found it odd that not even Goodson or Lane (the best RB in the nation) were even given a look....

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/6509266

1. RB Darren McFadden, Jr., Arkansas
2. QB Colt Brennan, Sr., Hawaii
3. QB John David Booty, Sr., USC
4. QB Pat White, Jr., West Virginia
5. QB Brian Brohm, Sr., Louisville
6. RB Steve Slaton, Jr., West Virginia
7. RB Michael Hart, Sr., Michigan
8. QB Colt McCoy, Soph., Texas
9. RB Ray Rice, Jr., Rutgers
10. RB Ian Johnson, Jr., Boise State
11. QB Chad Henne, Sr., Michigan
12. QB Erik Ainge, Sr., Tennessee
13. RB P.J. Hill, Soph., Wisconsin
14. QB Sam Keller, Sr., Nebraska
15. WR DeSean Jackson, Jr., Cal
16. QB Tim Tebow, Soph., Florida
17. RB James Davis, Jr., Clemson
18. RB Tashard Choice, Sr., Georgia Tech
19. RB Jonathan Stewart, Jr., Oregon
20. RB Branden Ore, Jr., Virginia Tech

[Gravy]

Why do you suppose that is?

1. They are not as good as we think?
2. Our offensive line is not as good as we think?
3. The media still has an anti-A&M bias?
4. The ones listed are better than we think?
5. other? (if other, what?)

[Pumchavas28]

Just to follow up.... Rivals, Scout, ESPN, Fox, CBS, SI & other small sites that talk about College Football, all have A&M's rushing attack as a Top 10 in the country....

Granted both Lane & Goodson will have to split carries, but that hasn't stopped Slaton from being on the list while he splits carries with White..... Davis from Clemson won't get that many more carries than Goodson or Lane... Same with Stewart or Ore at Oregon & Va Tech.... both schools use more than 1 RB.... Choice also splits carries..

It also didn't stop Reggie Bush from winning the Trophy... why would someone like Goodson not be able to win it.. or Lane?

I just don't get how a team with a Top 10 RB stable in the country wouldn't have anyone on a list of Heisman Hopefuls....

[Loftin]

Though I believe that J-Train deserves serious consideration, he won't. Here are the players I think have the best chance of actually winning:

Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas - preseason favorite
John David Booty, QB USC - probably will end up starting QB for #1 team
Steve Slaton, RB West Virginia - monster numbers and a more respectable Big East than past years
Tim Tebow, QB Florida - He has the hype. He has the fun highlights. If he can prove legit QB skills and lead the Gators to another SEC Championship, he's right up there with McFadden.
P.J. Hill, RB Wisconsin - Wisconsin was very, very good last year and Hill was a very big part of that.

Colt Brennan and Ian Johnson will likely receive votes, but I can't see the Heisman being won by someone from Hawaii or Boise State. It will go to a big school (as usual).

Pat White is awesome, but he'll lose a lot of Big East votes to teammate Steve Slaton.

Brian Brohm has a new coach and new RB, so I can't see him doing as well as he has the last 2 years.

Colt McCoy isn't very good and might not even be starting QB when the season is over. Limas Sweed is by far the best player on their team, so if any sip is a Heisman candidate, it's him.

[Pumchavas28]

Why do you suppose that is?

1. They are not as good as we think? They are as good as we think..... or at least me...
2. Our offensive line is not as good as we think? They are great in the running game but need improvement in the passing game which is why I didn't complain about McGee not being on the list...
3. The media still has an anti-A&M bias? I don't think that is the case with this... Fox has A&M as being ranked 20th in the Nation right now... higher than most sites...
4. The ones listed are better than we think? They are good, but not better than Goodson or Lane.... None of them did anything that Goodson or Lane didn't do last year.... Goodson & Lane both made just as many plays....
5. other? (if other, what?) Honestly.... in most Heisman predictions... A&M is easily forgotten...


JMO...

[Dustin00whoop]

The reason that Goodson & Lane aren't mentioned is because they will have to split carries. Take Cadillac Williams & Ronnie Brown...both great talents, but never mentioned as Heisman favorites because of the split carries.

[Pumchavas28]

Though I believe that J-Train deserves serious consideration, he won't. Here are the players I think have the best chance of actually winning:

Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas - preseason favorite
John David Booty, QB USC - probably will end up starting QB for #1 team
Steve Slaton, RB West Virginia - monster numbers and a more respectable Big East than past years
Tim Tebow, QB Florida - He has the hype. He has the fun highlights. If he can prove legit QB skills and lead the Gators to another SEC Championship, he's right up there with McFadden.
P.J. Hill, RB Wisconsin - Wisconsin was very, very good last year and Hill was a very big part of that.

Colt Brennan and Ian Johnson will likely receive votes, but I can't see the Heisman being won by someone from Hawaii or Boise State. It will go to a big school (as usual).

Pat White is awesome, but he'll lose a lot of Big East votes to teammate Steve Slaton.

Brian Brohm has a new coach and new RB, so I can't see him doing as well as he has the last 2 years.

Colt McCoy isn't very good and might not even be starting QB when the season is over. Limas Sweed is by far the best player on their team, so if any sip is a Heisman candidate, it's him.


Agreed.... But I would say that those guys aren't better than Goodson or Lane... probably will get more publicity/votes due to their location & air time....

[Pumchavas28]

The reason that Goodson & Lane aren't mentioned is because they will have to split carries. Take Cadillac Williams & Ronnie Brown...both great talents, but never mentioned as Heisman favorites because of the split carries.


Cadillac was alway mentioned in the Heisman Pre-Season talk.....

It also didn't stop the USC backs.... and it isn't stoping Va Tech or Oregon from having guys mentioned in this list... they both use 2 back systems also..

[Gravy]

So would it be fair to say that you think because it has been awhile since we had someone on the radar, that now we have to prove ourselves before consideration regardless of the talent currently in place?

[Pumchavas28]

So would it be fair to say that you think because it has been awhile since we had someone on the radar, that now we have to prove ourselves before consideration regardless of the talent currently in place?


Pretty much.... Goodson show cased his speed & ability against NU, OU & tu.... he beat NFL caliber defensive players to the corner, out ran most of em & did it on National TV all 3 times....

Lane pulverised Missouri & the tards & was 1 of only 5 guys to show up at the Army game to keep that game from being a complete embarrassment.... Not to mention the tu defense is still forming a line at the nearest therapist because of the nightmare's he's still giving them....

[Gravy]

okay, that makes sense to me. Here's to hopin' we get way on the radar this year.

[The Massacre]

Agreed.... But I would say that those guys aren't better than Goodson or Lane... probably will get more publicity/votes due to their location & air time....

almost all those guys on that list put up better numbers for an entire season than Goodson, didn't they? Goodson was awesome in conference play, but his numbers early in the season weren't all that awesome. He needs a full season at his top production and his name might surface on that list. Lane is splitting carries and isn't going to have the total number of yards that those other backs will have this upcoming season.

and i think a couple of those guys on that list are better than Lane or Goodson. and publicity is a key factor in winning the heisman, isn't it? therefore an analyst putting those other guys above Lane or Goodson would make perfect sense. the heisman doesn't necessarily go to the best player in the nation each year.

[Pumchavas28]

okay, that makes sense to me. Here's to hopin' we get way on the radar this year.


After Miami.... that will happen & set up the rest of the season for both guys....

[Dustin00whoop]

Cadillac was alway mentioned in the Heisman Pre-Season talk.....

It also didn't stop the USC backs.... and it isn't stoping Va Tech or Oregon from having guys mentioned in this list... they both use 2 back systems also..

Not saying I don't believe you, but I don't remember Cadillac being mentioned as a Heisman candidate.

The USC example isn't a very good one for two reasons. One, the split of the carries was very one-sided. Two, in our situation the more electric back isn't the upper-classman. I think if Goodson were a junior or senior & Lane was a sophomore or a junior you would have a better chance of having Mike mentioned.

I don't know much about how VT or Oregon is running their system this year, but when VT was running Suggs & Jones out there, there wasn't any mention of either of them as Heisman candidates.

[Pumchavas28]

almost all those guys on that list put up better numbers for an entire season than Goodson, didn't they? Goodson was awesome in conference play, but his numbers early in the season weren't all that awesome. He needs a full season at his top production and his name might surface on that list. Lane is splitting carries and isn't going to have the total number of yards that those other backs will have this upcoming season.

and i think a couple of those guys on that list are better than Lane or Goodson. and publicity is a key factor in winning the heisman, isn't it? therefore an analyst putting those other guys above Lane or Goodson would make perfect sense. the heisman doesn't necessarily go to the best player in the nation each year.


Goodson didn't really start seeing the field until the Army game... those other guys were in as early as Week 1....

And while it wont go to the best player... it normally goes to 1 of the top 5 Offensive players in the nation...

[Gravy]

I guess it could also have something to do with maybe they think the big 12 has better run defenses?

[Pumchavas28]

I guess it could also have something to do with maybe they think the big 12 has better run defenses?


Maybe when the other 11 teams play each other... but when A&M steps on the field... everyone knows their Average Rushing Defensive Stats are about to take a massive hit.....

[The Massacre]

Goodson didn't really start seeing the field until the Army game... those other guys were in as early as Week 1....

that's exactly why i'm saying that he isn't listed and those others are. they had a whole season of putting up numbers last year.

And while it wont go to the best player... it normally goes to 1 of the top 5 Offensive players in the nation...was Goodson or Lane in that category for the entire season last year? i don't think they were, but i could be wrong.

[Pumchavas28]

was Goodson or Lane in that category for the entire season last year? i don't think they were, but i could be wrong.


No... but neither were those other RB's.... aside from McFadden & Slaton...

[The Massacre]

and Hill and Hart were pretty darn close if they weren't in that top 5. so that's 4 out of the 5 prolly, on that list.

[The Massacre]

i'm sorry. i just realized that list is meaningless to me. i'm sorry for getting in this conversation. i couldn't care less what that guy at Fox says this far out.

my apologies....please carry on as if i never responded to this thread. i can't continue debating something so silly.

[Pumchavas28]

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[Gravy]

you gotta bring Fran into it if you wanna keep Mass involved.




Franometer for the day = +3

[addsae]

how do i find the Squad rankings?on any of those sites?
:huh:

[The Massacre]

you gotta bring Fran into it if you wanna keep Mass involved.




Franometer for the day = +3


i am in no way a blind Coach Fran Supporter, however i am in no way a blind Coach Fran Hater either. there are some of both on this site.

[WesTxAg]

Goodson's a sophomore, J-Train pretty much would never have a chance at a Heisman, a Heisman-trophy winner is either gonna have ridiculous stats or be a sexy pic. Lightning looks better than thunder, that's just the way it goes. Unless you rack up numbers like Ron Dayne, they ain't votin' for the big man

[whitelightnin_23]

Tim Tebow, QB Florida - He has the hype. He has the fun highlights. If he can prove legit QB skills and lead the Gators to another SEC Championship, he's right up there with McFadden.


you MUST be kidding me...he's not even projected to be the best QB in the SEC...
he'll have to prove himself as a passer...which as of yet...he hasn't

[centralaggie0913]

we only have 2 players IMO who could win the Heisman: Goodson is our best chance, and (might be a shocker) Tellus, BUT we would have to use him properly (which we arn't) he is to much of a freak athlete and his personallity helps too.

Lane will never get Heisman, he is not flashy enough.

McGee could get it but i just dont see it happening we dont throw down field enough (YET)

[whitelightnin_23]

we only have 2 players IMO who could win the Heisman: Goodson is our best chance, and (might be a shocker) Tellus, BUT we would have to use him properly (which we arn't) he is to much of a freak athlete and his personallity helps too.

Lane will never get Heisman, he is not flashy enough.

McGee could get it but i just dont see it happening we dont throw down field enough (YET)
there is no way, no matter how we use him...that tellus could win the heisman...name a TE who won the heisman (recently, in this era of football)...and there are tons of great TEs out there, so this is no slight to Tellus.

[2%er]

Lane and Goodson are not in the same class with Slaton and McFadden. They be better than other RBs but definitely not better than Slaton and McFadden.

[Pumchavas28]

you MUST be kidding me...he's not even projected to be the best QB in the SEC...
he'll have to prove himself as a passer...which as of yet...he hasn't


Agreed... at this point in time, McGee has proven more & is by far a better QB...

[Pumchavas28]

Lane and Goodson are not in the same class with Slaton and McFadden. They be better than other RBs but definitely not better than Slaton and McFadden.


Agreed.... but only partially on Slaton.... it could be said that Slaton is a product of the WVU system....

At any other big program, he might not pan out... while Goodson would work at any school & by his Junior year would be the starter anywhere if not by his Soph year....

Hell at A&M he'd be the outright starter had Lane not been A&M also.... Clew wouldn't have stood a chance of holding his spot with the way Goodson turned it on after Army...

[Loftin]

you MUST be kidding me...he's not even projected to be the best QB in the SEC...
he'll have to prove himself as a passer...which as of yet...he hasn't

Like I said, "if he can prove legit QB skills and lead Florida to another conference title." If he throws well as an every down QB and leads Florida to a great season, his spectacular highlights put him in the race.

[The Massacre]

Agreed.... but only partially on Slaton.... it could be said that Slaton is a product of the WVU system....

At any other big program, he might not pan out... while Goodson would work at any school & by his Junior year would be the starter anywhere if not by his Soph year....

Hell at A&M he'd be the outright starter had Lane not been A&M also.... Clew wouldn't have stood a chance of holding his spot with the way Goodson turned it on after Army...

you don't think our rb's have some of the stats they do because of OUR system? that argument doesn't have much weight. saying that Goodson would work at any school is about as unprovable as saying Slaton wouldn't work at other schools.

Goodson played a hell of a conf. schedule, but saying he would be a starter anywhere starting his sophmore season is a bit delusional. IF he plays this entire season as well as he did during conference play this past season, then there is a good chance he could start anywhere, otherwise, i wouldn't say that he would start anywhere.

he did have a few problems early on last season and prolly would have road the pine for most programs like he did here.

Goodson and Lane are great backs, but there is a little bit of the juicin' on the maroon koolaid going on in here. But then again, it is the off-season so carry on! :gig:

[Pumchavas28]

I don't think Goodson is due to the system....

Hell USC wanted him & their system is very different from ours.

[Dustin00whoop]

Well, Fran has gone and watched Meyer's & Rodriguez's practices for the last few off-seasons, in an effort to incorporate more & more of their offenses. So if Slaton is a product of the system, so is Goodson. I think you are wrong across the board. Neither are a product of the system--both are great backs.

[Vlyrock]

Goodson will be on lists next year. No sophomore is on the radar and mainly it's because sophs don't win the Heisman. If he has a good year this year, expect him to be high on lists starting next year.

[Pflugerville Ag]

Goodson will be on lists next year. No sophomore is on the radar and mainly it's because sophs don't win the Heisman. If he has a good year this year, expect him to be high on lists starting next year.

I'm sure he'll be on there too, but you can't say that no sophomore is on the radar b/c that list has 3 sophomores, including a RB.

[2%er]

Slaton is a product of the world renowned system, run the ****ing ball, which is pretty much what we do here.



BTW, is there such a thing as a system RB?

[The Massacre]

Slaton is a product of the world renowned system, run the ****ing ball, which is pretty much what we do here.


that was exactly my point. :gig:

[whitelightnin_23]

DAMMIT!!!
A fox article says we don't have any heisman candidates...we're DOOMED!!!

Fox knows all.

[Mole]

DAMMIT!!!
A yahoo article says we don't have any heisman candidates...we're DOOMED!!!

yahoo knows all.

well they have partnered with rivals.com.

[Loftin]

I'm sure he'll be on there too, but you can't say that no sophomore is on the radar b/c that list has 3 sophomores, including a RB.

I'm pretty sure that Reggie Bush and Adrian Peterson both had a lot of Heisman consideration as sophomores as well.

[whitelightnin_23]

well they have partnered with rivals.com.

i edited: it was a fox article...that changes everything...

fox DOES know all...

we truly are doomed. we should all find another hobby during the fall.

Me, I'm going to snap peas on my back porch & fry the squirrels that I shoot during the day. I might even buy me a bug zapper for entertainment for the kiddos.

[whitelightnin_23]

I'm pretty sure that Reggie Bush and Adrian Peterson both had a lot of Heisman consideration as sophomores as well.

we all know reggie was over-hyped

;)

[Mole]

we all know reggie was over-hyped

;)

Which Reggie?














j/k it was a joke.

[whitelightnin_23]

^
^
YES, someone got it!
:rep:

[Mole]

:cool: