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House Divided RV
06-18-2007, 03:05 PM
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12th Man going to neutral site?
By PERRYN KEYS (pkeys@beaumontenterprise.com), The Enterprise
06/12/2007

Updated 06/12/2007 12:08:02 AM CDT
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BEAUMONT - Texas A&M is still looking into the possibility of moving its annual game with Texas Tech to Dallas, A&M athletics director Bill Byrne said Monday.
"Well, I've made no secret of the fact that I'd like to have our (Texas) Tech game in the new Cowboys stadium in 2009," Byrne said. "We're still working on that."
Byrne added the idea has always made financial sense for A&M. Done properly, he said, the neutral-site game could bring the athletics department some $5 million per year.
"A home game for us, when we play Tech in College Station, is about $3½ million," he said. "When we go on the road, we get zero."
Byrne estimated if the Aggies and Red Raiders moved their game to Arlington, site of the new stadium, A&M would get about 45,000 tickets. If the school sold those tickets at the same prices Texas and Oklahoma sold theirs at their annual game in the Cotton Bowl, A&M would take in about $4.5 million.
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All told, he said, the Aggies would pull in about $5 million per year from the Texas Tech game.
"And that would happen every year. So over a two-year period, instead of having $3½ million, you'd have well over $10 million," Byrne said.
"Financially, it helps us pay our bills. If I had my way, I'd play every game at Kyle Field. But we have to pay at least half our games on the road in conference. The big issue is we've got to pay our bills."
The Dallas game has been a hot topic for a few years now, though it has involved less action than discussion. Some fans, particularly those in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, are all for the move; they point to the advantages it could bring both schools in exposure, money and recruiting.
Die-hards are flat-out against it, saying the two Big 12 schools should keep their home-and-home format and avoid become a so-called "JV game." In moving to Dallas, the Tech-A&M game would surely draw comparisons to the Texas-Oklahoma series, which will be at the Cotton Bowl through 2015.
What must happen, then, for the Tech-A&M series to move?
"We'd have to have approval from the university administration," Byrne said. "From both institutions."
Byrne was in town for the Beaumont A&M Club's annual coaches night and golf tournament, and his presence ensured a large turnout.
Monday night, he put his people skills on full display, fluidly moving and mixing with small pockets of fans and alumni. He readily admits he isn't as good with names and faces as he used to be, but was still unfailingly polite with the many people who offered handshakes and back-slaps at the Harvest Club, where he spoke.
For the most part, springtime was bright in Aggieland. The baseball team just reached Super Regionals in coach Rob Chidress' second year, losing to Rice last weekend. The softball team reached the Women's College World Series. The women's track team finished No. 4 in the country at the outdoor championships in Sacramento, Calif.
And both basketball teams made the NCAA Tournament - although Billy Gillispie left for Kentucky, forcing Byrne to find a new coach (he landed Wichita State's Mark Turgeon).
But as Byrne has learned in more than two decades as an AD - he spent eight years at Oregon (1984-92) and 11 more at Nebraska (1992-2003) before moving to College Station - you can't please everyone.
Of the 119 schools who played Division I-A football last year, perhaps one athletic director could argue his fan base is 100 percent satisfied with the direction of the athletics department. That would be Jeremy Foley of Florida, whose football and men's basketball coaches both won national championships.
As for A&M ... well, Byrne said he's pleased with the progress A&M is making, in all areas. With a win at Texas last fall, Dennis Franchione has given the football program a shot at turning the corner. The Aggies also did not lose any scholarships because of their APR (academic progress report) rating from the NCAA.
In trying to keep up amid the Division I arms race - which, as always, includes better facilities, better support, better coaches - Byrne said A&M's budget has increased from about $40 million when he arrived in 2003 to almost $70 million last year (according to the NCAA financial database, the school's revenue statement totaled $64.1 million in 2005-06).
That extra money, of course, has to come from somewhere, and much of it has come from increased parking fees, ticket prices and, in many cases, required donations to the 12th Man Foundation.
And though many fans understand the necessary evil of rising costs, it doesn't mean they have to like it.
"I sympathize with people like that, because when I was their age and I was putting kids through college, I couldn't afford to do it. So I didn't go," Byrne said.
"You can afford what you can afford. Later, I was able to contribute. But for a while, it was more important to get the kids through school, make the house payment and pay for the car, than it was to buy tickets to my alma mater. So I had to give it up for a bit. I couldn't afford it." pkeys@beaumontenterprise.com (pkeys@beaumontenterprise.com)
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Pflugerville Ag
06-18-2007, 03:11 PM
This is nothing new. Byrne has been talking about this for over a year.

Mole
06-18-2007, 03:27 PM
Great. Same high ticket prices with one less game to go to. That's fair.

Burnetaggie99
06-18-2007, 03:31 PM
:mad: :headslap: Leave it alone

House Divided RV
06-18-2007, 03:31 PM
I would expect at least $100/ticket for the game in DFW. Also, if I were a student, I would not expect the tickets to be half-price like they are at Kyle.

Pflugerville Ag
06-18-2007, 03:38 PM
if I were a student, I would not expect the tickets to be half-price like they are at Kyle.

Did you even read the article that you posted? The student tickets for this game WOULD be half price. Granted, there would be a lot fewer than if the game were at Kyle, but they would still be half price.

jagowar
06-18-2007, 03:38 PM
and i dont think students will go.... how many students go to the ou/tu game in dallas?

House Divided RV
06-18-2007, 03:40 PM
Ok, P'ville...we will assume that the students WILL BE half-price. Oh wait, Jerry changed his mind...now they won't be half-price! :wow:

blackgloves
06-18-2007, 03:44 PM
5 million > 3 million or the 0 million


Gig'em Bill

Pflugerville Ag
06-18-2007, 03:45 PM
Honestly, I'm not really sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, it really sucks that we'd lose a big home game to Tech every other year. On the other, it means a lot more $$$ to our athletic department, it would help recruiting in the Dallas area (which we need) and we wouldn't ever have to travel to Lubbock again. Plus, you know that tech fans wouldn't use all of their tickets, so it would be more of a home field advantage for the Ags.

House Divided RV
06-18-2007, 03:47 PM
The fact is people, this will just be the beginning of more conference games in neutral sites. Expect SA and Houston to get in this game where both schools could lose 2-3 total conference games in the coming years. Mark my words...If it works and the former students don't reject this situation, it will only get worse.

I'm sorry, the money is not worth it in the long run!!!

blackgloves
06-18-2007, 03:47 PM
Honestly, I'm not really sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, it really sucks that we'd lose a big home game to Tech every other year. On the other, it means a lot more $$$ to our athletic department, it would help recruiting in the Dallas area (which we need) and we wouldn't ever have to travel to Lubbock again. Plus, you know that tech fans wouldn't use all of their tickets, so it would be more of a home field advantage for the Ags.

Go with your common sense Pflug


tia
hth

Mole
06-18-2007, 03:53 PM
The fact is people, this will just be the beginning of more conference games in neutral sites. Expect SA and Houston to get in this game where both schools could lose 2-3 total conference games in the coming years. Mark my words...If it works and the former students don't reject this situation, it will only get worse.

I'm sorry, the money is not worth it in the long run!!!

That works for me. Then I don't have to make donations anymore. I can by individual home game tickets and then choose which "road" games I want to go to. It would be far cheaper in the long run.

Gravy
06-18-2007, 04:27 PM
This idea is pure genious:

1. As we have proven since '94, it is highly unlikely that we will beat tech anyway no matter where the game is played, the home game makes little to no difference to the outcome, so we may as well collect our 5 mil every year.

2. For those of us that were driven away from season tickets by the dramatic increase, we were watching it on television anyway. This just insures that it will be televised.

Those are two indisputable great reasons to move that puppy to Dallas.

The Massacre
06-18-2007, 04:56 PM
2. For those of us that were driven away from season tickets by the dramatic increase, we were watching it on television anyway. This just insures that it will be televised.


u can get a season ticket for $215. so a lot of people weren't "driven away" - they just chose to spend that money on something else. that's a choice. come out and support the team or spend your money elsewhere.

Gravy
06-18-2007, 05:00 PM
u can get a season ticket for $215. so a lot of people weren't "driven away" - they just chose to spend that money on something else. that's a choice. support the team or spend your money elsewhere.

Okay, fair enough....For those of us that chose to spend our money in ways other than paying the increased cost of season tickets, we were watching it on television anyway. This just insures that it will be televised.

however, support the team does not necessarily equal buying season tickets. I know plenty of people who buy season tickets purely to resell them to others at inflated prices. I also know plenty of people that do not buy season tickets, yet still support the team.

Pflugerville Ag
06-18-2007, 05:09 PM
I don't buy season tickets b/c of my current family situation (2 year old and soon to be infant), but I sure as hell still support the team. Until my kids are older, I won't be going to games on a regular basis. It sucks, but my family comes first before any Aggie sporting event.

The Massacre
06-18-2007, 05:12 PM
Okay, fair enough....For those of us that chose to spend our money in ways other than paying the increased cost of season tickets, we were watching it on television anyway. This just insures that it will be televised.

however, support the team does not necessarily equal buying season tickets. I know plenty of people who buy season tickets purely to resell them to others at inflated prices. I also know plenty of people that do not buy season tickets, yet still support the team.

OK, i should have put "come out and support the team" - I didn't mean to say that people who don't buy season tickets don't support the team.

*although, Coach Fran is part of the team. ;)

90AG
06-18-2007, 06:49 PM
The fact is people, this will just be the beginning of more conference games in neutral sites. Expect SA and Houston to get in this game where both schools could lose 2-3 total conference games in the coming years. Mark my words...If it works and the former students don't reject this situation, it will only get worse.

I'm sorry, the money is not worth it in the long run!!!

HD--you're just kidding about that, right? You don't really believe that to be the case, do you?

House Divided RV
06-18-2007, 07:26 PM
It would not surprise me to see at least 1 more conference move to a neutral site. Most likely it will be in either Houston or SA. I would bet the discussions would start about 2 years after the Tech move. It might start by another team but Byrne will move us again and say A&M needs the money. I would put nothing past Byrne when money comes into the picture.

Superaggie79
06-18-2007, 08:35 PM
5 million > 3 million or the 0 million


Gig'em Bill
Actually since it's every year it's 10 mill vs 3 mill. Over 6 years that's 60 mill vs 9 mill

hmiles619
06-18-2007, 08:40 PM
Actually since it's every year it's 10 mill vs 3 mill. Over 6 years that's 60 mill vs 9 mill

exactly, and that would mean a ton to our athletic dept.

Superaggie79
06-18-2007, 08:43 PM
Actually I was wrong.. over 6 years it's 30 million but you get the picture.

s_murph12
06-18-2007, 09:29 PM
In trying to keep up amid the Division I arms race - which, as always, includes better facilities, better support, better coaches - Byrne said A&M's budget has increased from about $40 million when he arrived in 2003 to almost $70 million last year (according to the NCAA financial database, the school's revenue statement totaled $64.1 million in 2005-06).


Wow! That's quite the budget increase. :wow:

s_murph12
06-18-2007, 09:33 PM
If it means more money and we don't have to play Tech in Lubbutt than it's a good idea. On the flip side however it would suck losing a game at Kyle Field and we'd basically be admitting that Tech is our rival.

benchambers
06-18-2007, 10:21 PM
The whole idea just sucks for students. I can't see them lowering the price for a sports pass if the game moves. Personally I don't see how I would be able to afford going. I'd be looking at $50-100 for the ticket if I could get one, close to $100 in gas, at least another 75 for a hotel, plus food. The cost to attend would end up being as much or more than my entire sports pass.

If recruiting presence in the DFW area is such a big concern why not schedule an annual matchup with SMU or TCU?

Dustin00whoop
06-18-2007, 11:12 PM
The whole idea just sucks for students. I can't see them lowering the price for a sports pass if the game moves. Personally I don't see how I would be able to afford going. I'd be looking at $50-100 for the ticket if I could get one, close to $100 in gas, at least another 75 for a hotel, plus food. The cost to attend would end up being as much or more than my entire sports pass.

If recruiting presence in the DFW area is such a big concern why not schedule an annual matchup with SMU or TCU?


1.) Find friends that are from D/FW...start looking now.

2.) Find other friends that want to go to the game.

3.) Stay at D/FW friend's house & have your other friends go with you to help split the cost of gas.

4.) Buy briskets during Labor Day weekend when they are on sale & take them to D/FW friend's house to cook.

5.) Your above mentioned problems have been solved....quit your bitching. ;)

Gravy
06-18-2007, 11:23 PM
I wonder if that means we would be able to drink beer during the game????

That would actually put a whole new spin on it.

Dustin00whoop
06-18-2007, 11:29 PM
I wonder if that means we would be able to drink beer during the game????

That would actually put a whole new spin on it.

Damnit, I was for this game until you brought this up! Drunk tech fan is bad enough, but drunk tech fan who is allowed to continue his drinking during the game is....well, just the thought of it is unbearable!

90AG
06-19-2007, 08:41 AM
If it means more money and we don't have to play Tech in Lubbutt than it's a good idea. On the flip side however it would suck losing a game at Kyle Field and we'd basically be admitting that Tech is our rival.

it would suck losing a game at Kyle, but since I live in Plano, it'd be nice to have one close to home for a change besides the occasional Cotton Bowl...

as for admitting a rivalry, IMHO it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with that and has everything to do with the almighty dollar...if the same deal was on the table for us to play Baylor(and Baylor had the same draw in Dallas as tceh), we'd be doing it also.

and for the record and before we fan this flame again...I hate tu the most...I want to beat everyone else equally....

90AG
06-19-2007, 08:43 AM
Damnit, I was for this game until you brought this up! Drunk tech fan is bad enough, but drunk tech fan who is allowed to continue his drinking during the game is....well, just the thought of it is unbearable!

Dustin--surely you realize that the boot flask is almost a Proverb in the STD capital of the West....they drink plenty during the games there...don't kid yourself...

Pflugerville Ag
06-19-2007, 09:31 AM
If recruiting presence in the DFW area is such a big concern why not schedule an annual matchup with SMU or TCU?

TV won't care about an annual OOC matchup vs. SMU or TCU. Sponsors won't care about it either. The money for A&M would come from a big time conference game.

Dustin00whoop
06-19-2007, 09:43 PM
Dustin--surely you realize that the boot flask is almost a Proverb in the STD capital of the West....they drink plenty during the games there...don't kid yourself...


Yeah, & that right there is the reason that I refuse to ever attend another game in Lubbock. They may try to pull it off in CS, but I know that myself & plenty of other Ags have gotten them kicked out of Kyle for it.

polish
06-20-2007, 10:07 AM
1.) Find friends that are from D/FW...start looking now.

2.) Find other friends that want to go to the game.

3.) Stay at D/FW friend's house & have your other friends go with you to help split the cost of gas.

4.) Buy briskets during Labor Day weekend when they are on sale & take them to D/FW friend's house to cook.

5.) Your above mentioned problems have been solved....quit your bitching. ;)
The man with a plan. Thats just about exactly what I would do.

Also I'd take the money and play whoever in Dallas

I sit in my house :popcorn: and not have to be around tech alum :bored: