Reggie in trouble again

[Pflugerville Ag]

I am embarrassed that Reggie went to A&M. He has done nothing but give our school a bad name since he left.

He was "allegedly" with Chris Henry when he beat up a 16 year old for no reason.

Loftin, you care to provide an explanation/excuse for Reggie???



Police say the 16-year-old and an 18-year-old friend were walking along Wetherington Boulevard near Mt. Zion Road just after 11 p.m. Friday night when, they say a black Navigator or Escalade pulled up next to them.

According to the police report, a white male jumped out and started punching the 16-year-old in the face.

"From that, the victim tells us another gentleman got out of the vehicle the same vehicle and in their attempt to get away, was shoved to the ground by this African American gentleman," said Cloyd.
The teen identified that man as Bengals receiver Chris Henry, and says receiver Reggie McNeill was also in the vehicle.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=333af96c-8c24-4d44-9ed4-0c676af92d8d

[pearland aggie93]

****... run away

[whitelightnin_23]

loftin...there's your link. :sad:

[Dustin00whoop]

Dude, he didn't do anything. He was just along for the ride. If it wasn't for Reggie, they would've kept beating the guy. Reggie is a hero. He saved the kid's life.

Or...whatever. That wasn't even them. Some punk kids got beat up & tried to blame it on Chris Henry because he is always in trouble. There is no way they could have recognized Reggie in the vehicle while they were getting their asses beat.

Or....thats not even the same guy, P-ville. They identified the other guy as Reggie McNeill...we all know that it was Reggie McNeal that played for us.

[Pflugerville Ag]

Loftin, how did you get Dustin's log in info?

[whitelightnin_23]

Dude, he didn't do anything. He was just along for the ride. If it wasn't for Reggie, they would've kept beating the guy. Reggie is a hero. He saved the kid's life.

Or...whatever. That wasn't even them. Some punk kids got beat up & tried to blame it on Chris Henry because he is always in trouble. There is no way they could have recognized Reggie in the vehicle while they were getting their asses beat.

Or....thats not even the same guy, P-ville. They identified the other guy as Reggie McNeill...we all know that it was Reggie McNeal that played for us.

the Cin police are obviously profiling [/marvin lewis]

[whitelightnin_23]

Loftin, how did you get Dustin's log in info?

I thought loftin & dustin were the same person...

kind of like curly & pearland
;)

[Dustin00whoop]

Oh...forgot this one. Whatever, it couldn't have been Reggie. He doesn't hang out with any white dudes!

[whitelightnin_23]

The shoe used to kick the boy in the face obviously wasn't Reggies...the ankle holes were too large...

If the shoe doesn't fit, you must acquit!

[blackgloves]

The shoe used to kick the boy in the face obviously wasn't Reggies...the ankle holes were too large...

If the shoe doesn't fit, you must acquit!
Thats what I hear

[Mole]

Sad.

[Loftin]

What crime did Reggie commit?

[Dustin00whoop]

Loftin, you are absolutely amazing! Its a good thing you don't attend school at WVU. You would be very busy trying to defend Pac-Mac & Chris Henry...because we all know those would be your two favorite players.

[Curly06]

that doesnt suprise me at all:headslap:

[whitelightnin_23]

What crime did Reggie commit?

here ya go...


The two football pros may have been involved in assaulting a 16-year-old boy.


But they are angry, alleging that Bengals players Chris Henry, along with a few others, beat the 16-year-old so severely that he had to be treated at the hospital for his injuries.


they're saying Chris Henry's name, b/c he's the most well known...

[Loftin]

Loftin, you are absolutely amazing! Its a good thing you don't attend school at WVU. You would be very busy trying to defend Pac-Mac & Chris Henry...because we all know those would be your two favorite players.

Chris Henry and Pac-Man are criminals. There is no defense for them.

YOU are the embarrassment. If Reggie is within 50 feet of someone else committing a crime, you want to give him the chair. Reggie saw his friend starting some trouble, and he did the right thing by staying in the car. The title of this thread was "Reggie in trouble again." What trouble is Reggie in? What crime is he being accused of?

[whitelightnin_23]

another part of the story that is being overlooked...


NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has said that Henry would be banished for life if there were any more mis-steps.


GOOD!

[Loftin]

another part of the story that is being overlooked...



GOOD!

Yep, then the "guilt by association" crap won't be a problem with Reggie anymore.

[whitelightnin_23]

Yep, then the "guilt by association" crap won't be a problem with Reggie anymore.

RIGHT! he can just stand on his own guilt!

[Dustin00whoop]

Yeah, exactly Loftin....guilty by association. Oh, & lets not forget Reggie's documented arrest in H-town. That would make him a criminal...just like Pac-Man & Henry. But I'm sure you'll spin it that Reggie is less of a criminal so that is okay.

[Loftin]

RIGHT! he can just stand on his own guilt!

Of which there is very, very little (by NFL standards).

[whitelightnin_23]

Yeah, exactly Loftin....guilty by association. Oh, & lets not forget Reggie's documented arrest in H-town. That would make him a criminal...just like Pac-Man & Henry. But I'm sure you'll spin it that Reggie is less of a criminal so that is okay.

he was being harassed, remember D?
I mean those security guards had it coming!

[Loftin]

Yeah, exactly Loftin....guilty by association. Oh, & lets not forget Reggie's documented arrest in H-town. That would make him a criminal...just like Pac-Man & Henry. But I'm sure you'll spin it that Reggie is less of a criminal so that is okay.

Lacing a cigarette with cough medicine is not the same as what those other two have done. Who is there that can say they are a victim of Reggie McNeal? Anyone?

[Dustin00whoop]

Chris Henry and Pac-Man are criminals. There is no defense for them.

You do see the contradiction don't you, Loftin? There is no defense for criminals. Reggie has been arrested, making him a criminal. Yet, here you sit defending him.

[Curly06]

he may not have hit the kid- but by not stopping chris or whoever was beating up the kid hes an accessory or somethin like that-----

but i wouldnt put it past him to hit a kid- hes got some serious anger issues

[Dustin00whoop]

Lacing a cigarette with cough medicine is not the same as what those other two have done. Who is there that can say they are a victim of Reggie McNeal? Anyone?

Well, the chic that he was going to give that cigarette to had he not been caught. The bouncers & cops that he berated during his drunken tyraid.

The kid that got beat up is obviously saying that, hence the reason Reggie is being questioned.

So let me clarify your logic now...its okay to be a criminal as long as no one else gets hurt. I have 22 DWIs, but its okay, because no one ever got hurt while I was driving drunk....right?

[whitelightnin_23]

Lacing a cigarette with cough medicine is not the same as what those other two have done. Who is there that can say they are a victim of Reggie McNeal? Anyone?

sooo we're going with that argument now???

"Who's the victim", it's not a crime unless someone else gets hurt, or is involved?

How about IF he wasn't involved w/ the Chris Henry boy beat up incident...he was definitely there...

if he had any kind of character he would have stopped it...not just sad idly by in the car (probably smoking his "cough medicine laced" cigarette...)

[whitelightnin_23]

You do see the contradiction don't you, Loftin? There is no defense for criminals. Reggie has been arrested, making him a criminal. Yet, here you sit defending him.

weren't both of them brought up on drug charges also...if those were the ONLY charges...would you say they aren't criminals because they "didn't hurt anyone", or "there were no victims"???

ludicrous (that means retarted, silly, crazy, asinine)

[Curly06]

if he had any kind of character
he doesnt i can assure you of that one

[Mole]

:popcorn:

[whitelightnin_23]

he doesnt i can assure you of that one

EXACTLY!!!

wow, if dustin, curly, & I agree on something you guys better get your lives right w/ God!

[Loftin]

I'm not saying that "victimless crime" isn't a crime, I'm just saying that it's not the same as assault.

His crime (singular) was punishable by a ticket. I've had speeding tickets before, I guess that makes me a criminal, too. Reggie hasn't committed SERIOUS crimes like Henry and Jones. Dustin automatically puts Reggie equal to them.

[Curly06]

i agree though that reggie hasnt had anything serious brought up agaisnt him- but hes still an ass that deserves whatever he gets

the club incident wasnt a big deal and lots of drunks guys do the same crap he did- just a bar fight

[Dustin00whoop]

Loftin...you don't get a ticket for Public Intoxication. You go to jail because you are considered a public hazard.

[Pflugerville Ag]

In the case of Aggiefans vs. Loftin, the court rules in favor of Aggiefans.

[Loftin]

Loftin...you don't get a ticket for Public Intoxication. You go to jail because you are considered a public hazard.

I don't remember any convictions for that. All I remember is the cigarette laced with cough medicine(fine) and the beating up of a security guard (dropped if I remember correctly).

I'm sure you have the article on Reggie's arrest framed in your office, but check it again.

[whitelightnin_23]

so Loftin...

tell us where you stand on Reggie...
you're defending him...but will you come out & say he's an upstanding citizen? a good character guy? WHAT has he shown to prove either...

The evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) would point to the criminal end of the scale...

I'm not hearing any circumstantial or other evidence telling me he's a great guy...

[Pflugerville Ag]

Loftin, I don't even know where to begin. I thought this latest Reggie incident would for once and for all get you to admit that Reggie is not that good of a person. Every time myself or someone else has said something about Reggie getting in trouble, your response was always that it was not true and that we needed a link for proof. I guess giving you a link to a national news story isn't good enough.

Had Reggie been worth a sh** as an NFL player and if Chris Henry sucked, this article would be all about Reggie and not Henry.

I'm glad you think Reggie did the right thing by staying in the car (that's an assumption that he did only stay in the car). What if your child was beat up by a big NFL player while another sat in the car and watched? How would that make you feel? I guess if someone videoed it and put it on youtube, you'd post it here b/c you thought it was funny.

[Dustin00whoop]

Loftin, Reggie was lucky he didn't get charged with Assualt of a Peace Officer. If you or I elbow a cop in the chest on purpose, we are being booked on a felony. And the bottom line is, he went to jail....it wasn't just a ticket...so YOU need to get your facts straight.

[whitelightnin_23]

that's a good point Pflug...

Loftin pays attention to the "circumstantial" evidence in Reggie's favor (he stayed in the car...which by the way...still shows a lack of class) and ignores the mounds of similar "circumstantial" evidence against him...

[Curly06]

Oh, & lets not forget Reggie's documented arrest in H-town. That would make him a criminal...
i wouldnt call him a criminal for that crap- but it doesnt make him an outstandin citizen.. hes an idiot for not tryin to stop the situation or even bein in it to begin with

[Dustin00whoop]

i wouldnt call him a criminal for that crap- but it doesnt make him an outstandin citizen.. hes an idiot for not tryin to stop the situation or even bein in it to begin with

You wouldn't call someone who is carrying around a laced cigarette & walks by & elbows a cop in the chest a criminal? I guess this kind of falls into the Ron Artest thing--they had it coming!

[Curly06]

wasnt the deal in houston where he got in a fight with a bouncer tryin to get in after hours?
thats what im talkin about that he was in trouble for in houston- thats what i said above
the club incident wasnt a big deal and lots of drunks guys do the same crap he did- just a bar fight that crap doesnt make him a criminal

the ron thing i never said she had it coming- a man has the right to push a woman whos beatin the crap outta him- a woman shouldnt hit a man--

[Dustin00whoop]

Obviously, you don't know what was reported to have happened at the club in H-town.

And as far as the other goes, I'll say it again...some women are just destined to be battered.

[Curly06]

if i hit a man he can push me off him
neither has ever happend my men dont hit me and i dont hit them like woman in said story:headslap:

[The Massacre]

blks def wont just stand there and let some chic go nuts. they gonna react

[zrf2002]

:headslap: reggie on the left and loftin on the right....... "come on reggie, get your act together. you are making me look bad with aggiefans.com. but it's okay, i still love you!"

[Stobie]

I dont know the guy so I can't speak for his character. See that is the problem, unless you know him its kind of hard to say he is who you say he is. One thing is for sure, he hasn't made waves as a player in the NFL, we idolized him just because he beat OU, and third, if he chooses to hang out witht he folk he hangs out with, he should be willing to accept the problems that follow.

Point.... aquaint yourself with higher character individuals.

:stupid:

[whitelightnin_23]

Point.... aquaint yourself with higher character individuals.

point (although circumstantial & opinion-based...with wisdom)...
to acquaint yourself with higher character individuals...you must also aspire to have high character...and/or HAVE high character

people w/ high character don't like thugs...so they don't accept them in their "circles"...

[Loftin]

Obviously, you don't know what was reported to have happened at the club in H-town.

NEITHER DO YOU!

The "peace officer" he hit was off-duty, out of uniform and wasn't showing a badge. That's why he was never convicted. Trust me, cops will do EVERYTHING in their power to lay the hammer down on someone they think assaulted a cop. There was nothing for them to build a case on.

If you're a millionaire and you left your wallet with credit cards, ID, and other personal effects in a club, you won't think twice before hitting a bouncer whose ass you know for a fact you can kick to get it back.

so Loftin...

tell us where you stand on Reggie...
you're defending him...but will you come out & say he's an upstanding citizen? a good character guy? WHAT has he shown to prove either...

The evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) would point to the criminal end of the scale...

I'm not hearing any circumstantial or other evidence telling me he's a great guy...

I've never said that Reggie McNeal was a "great guy" or bragged about his character. All I do is defend him from FELLOW AGGIES who want to smear his name with charges that never actually pan out. With the massive smear campaign that several Aggies have taken upon themselves to put on Reggie, I feel a moral obligation to defend him.

Is he a jerk? Maybe, I wouldn't know. Jaxson Appel was widely considered a jerk when he was on campus, but no one is trying to smear his name. We just talk about how much heart he had.

The facts are this:
1. Reggie McNeal is and always will be an AGGIE.
2. Reggie McNeal is statistically the best QB in Aggie History.
3. I will always give Aggies the benefit of the doubt.
4. A large portion of Aggie Fans blame Reggie for the 2005 season, despite the fact that our offense was very good (statistically), while our special teams and defense were among the worst in the nation(not to mention injuries and poor coaching). That's what this whole smear campaign boils down to.

P-Ville says that he is embarrassed that Reggie is an Aggie because of this news story, but HE IS THE ONE POSTING THE STORY TO GET THE WORD OUT(as well exaggerating Reggie's role and assuming the worst). If Reggie really was such a bad guy, I just wouldn't talk about it and hope the least amount of people hear about it.


if he had any kind of character he would have stopped it...not just sad idly by in the car (probably smoking his "cough medicine laced" cigarette...)

Let's be realistic. Put yourself in this situation: Several angry people you are with start a fight in the street. Would you honestly expect him to stand in front of the dude getting his ass kicked and say "come on, guys, stop it" ? Personally, I'm shocked that he had the foresight and self-control to stay in the car and avoid criminal charges.


In the case of Aggiefans vs. Loftin, the court rules in favor of Aggiefans.

McNeal is the defendant. Just consider me his advocate...

[Loftin]

I bet recruits love seeing Aggies' willingness to smear the name of a former player...

[whitelightnin_23]

Let's be realistic. Put yourself in this situation: Several angry people you are with start a fight in the street. Would you honestly expect him to stand in front of the dude getting his ass kicked and say "come on, guys, stop it" ? Personally, I'm shocked that he had the foresight and self-control to stay in the car and avoid criminal charges.

You're SHOCKED??? That's the funniest thing I have seen in quite a while...
to each their own...but I have a little higher standards...

he's shown that he and Henry are friends...so f'n YES, I would expect him to stop him from starting a fight WITH A SIXTEEN YEAR OLD!!!

Reggie, should have stood up and been a leader in this situation...
AGAIN, this is assuming he didn't partake in the ass-kicking...an assumption I am not willing to make because I don't have the facts...and by being in Henry's company (as YOU admitted, he's a thug/criminal)...he has about two strikes on him in the court of public opinion.

[The Massacre]

I bet recruits love seeing Aggies' willingness to smear the name of a former player...

some people probably don't understand the effects.

[whitelightnin_23]

I bet recruits love seeing Aggies' willingness to smear the name of a former player...

I bet recruits love to see "the best QB in Aggie history" be IN THE PAPERS in connection with several incidents involving the law...

Aggies are about honor...Reggie is NOT showing honor...unless you can prove otherwise, I suggest you stop making yourself look silly.

[The Massacre]

I bet recruits love seeing Aggies' willingness to smear the name of a former player...

I bet recruits love to see "the best QB in Aggie history" be IN THE PAPERS in connection with several incidents involving the law...


but we can't control the 2nd part of him being the papers. only Reggie can do that. we can however, control the first part.

[zrf2002]

I bet recruits love seeing Aggies' willingness to smear the name of a former player...

that is just rediculous!!!!! you think recruits think twice about pac man getting his name smeared by wvu fans, or henry???? if a recruit does not like us having a "willingness o smear the name of a former player" who is involved in this kind of activity and associates himself with criminals, that is not the kind of player we need at aTm. you have got to be kidding loftin.........

[PinetarAg]

If you're a millionaire and you left your wallet with credit cards, ID, and other personal effects in a club, you won't think twice before hitting a bouncer whose ass you know for a fact you can kick to get it back.


I've never said that Reggie McNeal was a "great guy" or bragged about his character. All I do is defend him from FELLOW AGGIES who want to smear his name with charges that never actually pan out. With the massive smear campaign that several Aggies have taken upon themselves to put on Reggie, I feel a moral obligation to defend him.





first I don't think Reggie is a millionaire. he was on the scout team (before being signed to the team) and was a 6th round draft pick.

Second how come you didn't defend Antoine Wright from FELLOW AGGIES...he wasn't even a criminal...it was becuase he talked bad about a&m and you had issues with his character. So to me that is hypocritical by you ...won't defend an aggie that was never in trouble but will defend an Ag who has run ins with the po po. Maybe you should think about that before you get your next hard on on over reggie.

[whitelightnin_23]

but we can't control the 2nd part of him being the papers. only Reggie can do that. we can however, control the first part.

so if by being "all about honor" should we sit idly by (like tu) while our player(s) have these associations/charges/etc brought against them...

should we blindly defend them???
take the blinders off!

I honestly WANT Reggie to be a hell of a player in the NFL...but I would rather him be a better person...like so many of our other former and current players are...

[whitelightnin_23]

first I don't think Reggie is a millionaire. he was on the scout team (before being signed to the team) and was a 6th round draft pick.

Second how come you didn't defend Antoine Wright from FELLOW AGGIES...he wasn't even a criminal...it was becuase he talked bad about a&m and you had issues with his character. So to me that is hypocritical by you ...won't defend an aggie that was never in trouble but will defend an Ag who has run ins with the po po. Maybe you should think about that before you get your next hard on on over reggie.

GREAT point!

[The Massacre]

i didn't say we should defend him. i just personally prefer not to bash him and bring to light every story that comes out 5 or 10 times.

you sir, can do as you like.

[Dustin00whoop]

Loftin, I need links to verify everything that was written in your book back on post #50. I have seen nothing saying charges were dropped, that the cop was out of uniform, or that he left his wallet in there (BTW...what kind of idiot leaves his wallet in a bar. I could understand forgetting to close your tab & leaving a credit card....but an entire wallet?)

[Dustin00whoop]

AND BTW...Reggie McNeal is not a millionaire. Most idiotic statement you have made in a while....and thats saying a lot.:headslap:

[The Massacre]

i remember hearing that the cop was off duty and out of uniform, but i don't know about the rest of those details.

[whitelightnin_23]

i didn't say we should defend him. i just personally prefer not to bash him and bring to light every story that comes out 5 or 10 times.

you sir, can do as you like.


I was speaking more to Loftin who defends him no matter what.

[Dustin00whoop]

What you heard is not good enough, Mass. I NEED LINKS!

Look, I hate people, especially public figures, that make Texas A&M look bad. Loftin, on the other hand doesn't care. He has come on these boards & defended Terrence Kiel & Reggie McNeal & said that Lane had every right to yell down his coach on the sidelines during a college football game. And to think, this guy wants to coach the youth of tomorrow. I hope Reggie McNeal ends up living his dream someday. However, with Loftin's track record & his goals, I hope he fails...or at least grows up. We have a Bobby Bowden in the making as we speak.

I bet recruits love seeing Aggies' willingness to smear the name of a former player...

Recruits should know that if you come to A&M you have to live up to a certain standard. If a kid swears off A&M because their alumi base is disappointed in their players & former players for constantly being in trouble with the law, then I don't want them to be Aggies anyway.

[Loftin]

PineTar, there is a big difference. The reason I back Reggie is that he is an Aggie who has done nothing but help A&M athletics. Antoine Wright turned his back on us and tried to hurt the school.

If Reggie gives an interview that intends to damage the reputation of A&M or hurt our athletic program, I would stop defending him.

[Dustin00whoop]

So being in the news 3 times in just over a year for legal stuff doesn't give Texas A&M a bad name in anyway, but saying that floral design was a tough class does?

[Loftin]

However, with Loftin's track record & his goals, I hope he fails...or at least grows up. We have a Bobby Bowden in the making as we speak.


Recruits should know that if you come to A&M you have to live up to a certain standard. If a kid swears off A&M because their alumi base is disappointed in their players & former players for constantly being in trouble with the law, then I don't want them to be Aggies anyway.

First paragraph: Next Bobby Bowden, that would be awesome!

Second paragraph: By "constantly being in trouble with the law", you mean one fine for a sedative-laced cigarette and being near the scene of Chris Henry's crime?

[Dustin00whoop]

Yeah, I figured that response from you. Character means nothing as long as it helps you in some way. With a very few exceptions, these types don't get very far in life.

NO, I mean going to jail for resisting arrest & elbowing a cop. Having a sedative-laced cigarette. Being involved in the beating of a 16 year old kid. And being in a car drunk with a drunk driver. Not to mention the countless other things that I KNOW have happened but you refuse to believe.

[Dustin00whoop]

Again, like White said....people generally hang around with people who have similar taste & character. You don't see too many crack heads hanging out with upstanding citizens. You don't see too many Honor Society kids hanging out with gangsters. Therefore, you hang with & tolerate thugs/criminals, its safe to say that you, too, have those tendecies.

[Loftin]

NO, I mean going to jail for resisting arrest & elbowing a cop.

Any convictions?

Having a sedative-laced cigarette.

OK, that's the one crime he has had.

Being involved in the beating of a 16 year old kid.

What did he do, exactly? What is he being charged of?

And being in a car drunk with a drunk driver.

What he supposed to do? He couldn't take the wheel. Again, no criminal charges whatsoever.

Not to mention the countless other things that I KNOW have happened but you refuse to believe.

Ah yes. The alleged UPD coverups facillitated by RC Slocum...:laugh:

[Dustin00whoop]

Go ahead & put your head in the sand all you want Loftin. But Roger Goddell has made it very clear, that convicted or not, constantly being in the news for negative, off the field crap, will not be tolerated. I wish more people would take this approach.

[Loftin]

Go ahead & put your hand in the sand all you want Loftin.

lol

[Dustin00whoop]

Let me add this & then I'm done....You can not work in my industry in the state of TX if you have ever been arrested for any type of assualt. Convicted or not doesn't matter!

[Dustin00whoop]

lol

damn typing too fast....:laugh:

[Burnetaggie99]

Reggie a leader, when did that happen?:laugh:

[Gravy]

:popcorn:

[Stobie]

Again, figure the man would learn the first time his company he has is trouble, a smart individual, who cares about his name, school and career would get out of that environment. Reggie is a DUMBARSE for not figuring that out, but did he break the law, yes no matter how you put it. Will I speak bad of the man, no... that is the difference. I will not recognize him with honor, for he has not shown me any yet.

Lets take the effort we show to Reggie and translate it into the support for McGee.... :popcorn:

[Dustin00whoop]

Stobie, I wouldn't waste a lot of time talking about this thug if it weren't for the ignorant people constantly trying to defend him.

[Loftin]

Will I speak bad of the man, no... that is the difference. I will not recognize him with honor, for he has not shown me any yet.

Lets take the effort we show to Reggie and translate it into the support for McGee.... :popcorn:

Thank You.:rep:

No one is asking anyone to nominate Reggie for sainthood, it's just stupid to smear his name, though.

Stobie, I wouldn't waste a lot of time talking about this thug if it weren't for the ignorant people constantly trying to defend him.

He shouldn't have to be defended.

[Dustin00whoop]

He shouldn't have to be defended.

You're right, & if he stayed out of trouble then he wouldn't have to be!

[Gravy]

:popcorn:

[PinetarAg]

Loftin I don't get how you can stop supporting Wright, but still support Reggie because he wasn't "convicted"...Reggie having run ins with the policy does reflect us in a bad way. I have seen reggie personally do some stupid **** and because of that I think he is scumb. I'm not going to say what I saw, I don't know the guy but I saw him....and that inncident made me thinking a TON less of him.

OJ wasn't convicted, so technically if you were USC or Bills fan would you still support him?? (I really want you to answer this)

[The Massacre]

i would be willing to bet that there are usc and bills fans who support OJ 100% still.

[PinetarAg]

i would be willing to bet that there are usc and bills fans who support OJ 100% still.


I'm sure there are too,but I'm not asking them I'm asking loftin....

[Dustin00whoop]

i would be willing to bet that there are usc and bills fans who support OJ 100% still.

Maybe so, but they are few & far between. There is a reason why you don't see him at any USC, NFL, or Heisman trophy functions.

[whitelightnin_23]

i would be willing to bet that there are usc and bills fans who support OJ 100% still.


USC has loftin's too?

;)

[whitelightnin_23]

Loftin: Another question...what would you say IF Reggie was involved in stomping the minor? You do realize that is a likely scenario, right?

This story isn't close to being finished...

[The Massacre]

Maybe so, but they are few & far between.

and there is only 1 Loftin. ;)

and obv, the situation with OJ is a little more severe.

[whitelightnin_23]

and obv, the situation with OJ is a little more severe.


but going by loftin's rules...(convictions ONLY & leaving out evidence & the court of public opinion)...

OJ is innocent.

btw, loftin is still looking for his OJ prize ;)

[Gravy]

:popcorn:

[PinetarAg]

but going by loftin's rules...(convictions ONLY & leaving out evidence & the court of public opinion)...

OJ is innocent

exactly

[whitelightnin_23]

so loftin...would you or would you not support or defend OJ, if he were an Aggie?

it's a relative question which you MUST answer in order maintain any credibility...

[GregH]

so loftin...would you or would you not support or defend OJ, if he were an Aggie?

it's a relative question which you MUST answer in order maintain any credibility...
LMFAO!!!!! Who's he supposed to impress? Relative????:popcorn:

[Dustin00whoop]

By Loftin's rules:

Bonds, McGwire, Sosa never used 'roids.

OJ is innocent.

Y'all help me out with more.

[Dustin00whoop]

And the hypocrisy of the whole deal is crazy, because Loftin demands proof by conviction of Reggie's thugery, yet he constantly states that Lane is the best RB in all of football w/o any proof whatsoever.

[The Massacre]

And the hypocrisy of the whole deal is crazy, because Loftin demands proof by conviction of Reggie's thugery, yet he constantly states that Lane is the best RB in all of football w/o any proof whatsoever.

well, in regards to the thuggery thing, you don't need proof for something that everyone knows is true.

in regards to the Lane thing, you don't need to try and prove something that everyone knows is not true.

[whitelightnin_23]

LMFAO!!!!! Who's he supposed to impress? Relative????:popcorn:

do you need a definition of the word relative?
it's relative to this discussion and "matching of wits"...you probably wouldn't know much about that though... ;)

[Loftin]

OJ wasn't convicted, so technically if you were USC or Bills fan would you still support him?? (I really want you to answer this)

For one thing, I'm not a USC fan.

Second, OJ was found liable in the civil trial, not to mention all the evidence from the trial that was shown on TV. His guilt is not arguable. Obviously, the national racial tension turned that trial into a circus and prevented justice from being served.

Third, weed possession and disorderly conduct hardly compare to murder. Y'all are getting ridiculous.

Maybe so, but they are few & far between. There is a reason why you don't see him at any USC, NFL, or Heisman trophy functions.

I'm pretty sure he came to some USC practices in '04 or '05.

and there is only 1 Loftin. ;)

Post of the day.:rep:

so loftin...would you or would you not support or defend OJ, if he were an Aggie?

it's a relative question which you MUST answer in order maintain any credibility...

Actually, y'all's credibility is in question. I have remained consistent in all my views. Trying to set up ridiculous hypothetical situations in a game of catch 22 is weak.

And the hypocrisy of the whole deal is crazy, because Loftin demands proof by conviction of Reggie's thugery, yet he constantly states that Lane is the best RB in all of football w/o any proof whatsoever.

"Thuggery" cannot be proved when no one on this site has spent any significant amount of time with Reggie, and there are no evidence or convictions to back such claims. AGAIN: WHY DO YOU WANT IT TO BE TRUE SO BAD?

As far as Lane Train goes, the proof is in the pudding. His late-down conversion rate, quickness, power and size were displayed in 7 home games last year, along with games on national TV. If you don't see his abilities, you are as blind as Fran.

[whitelightnin_23]

so we're looking at evidence now???

which is it...evidence or conviction???
word of mouth=evidence
circumstances=evidence
people you choose to associate with=evidence

NOT enough to convict (a la OJ), but it is evidence.
also Reggie would/could probably lose a civil suit in this situation...and possibly could as well if the officer in the club incident wanted to push it (i'm sure he was paid a settlement)...

I agree...the two are in no way similar in deeds (murder vs assault of a minor, security guard, & the cigaweed)...but are similar in your line of reasoning...I'm just taking your logic & pointing out the flaws...for something to be true, it must be consistant...

and how is my credibility in question? being consistant in your views does not = sound logic...you can be consistantly wrong too...

and again...what IF reggie was arrested on charges of assaulting the 16 year old...what if he actually was involved and didn't just "sit in the van" as you are ASSUMING???

[Dustin00whoop]

I'm pretty sure he came to some USC practices in '04 or '05

I'll need a link!

Actually, y'all's credibility is in question. I have remained consistent in all my views. Trying to set up ridiculous hypothetical situations in a game of catch 22 is weak.

It's ridiculous in your mind because it doesn't help your cause.

AGAIN: WHY DO YOU WANT IT TO BE TRUE SO BAD?


I don't WANT it to be true. I just know that it IS true!

And coming from the son of an English teacher (& you always being the one to call out people about your spelling mistake pet peeve) you would think you would know that is is BADLY, not BAD!

As far as Lane Train goes, the proof is in the pudding. His late-down conversion rate, quickness, power and size were displayed in 7 home games last year, along with games on national TV. If you don't see his abilities, you are as blind as Fran.

Having the ability to be the best back in football doesn't equal being the best back in football. I mean, if that is the case, then none of us need Reggie to be convicted of any crimes because based on the people he hangs out with, & the situations he has put himself in, his has the ABILITIES to be a thug, so therefore he must be.

[whitelightnin_23]

I'm starting to believe logic < blind loyalty in loftin's case & no amount of reasoning will take the blinders off...

[Dustin00whoop]

I'm starting to believe logic < blind loyalty in loftin's case & no amount of reasoning will take the blinders off...

I knew that all along...but it still frustrates the hell out of me that someone can actually be THAT blind.

[whitelightnin_23]

I respect loyalty, I really do...& I'll be the first to defend the A&M football team, win or lose...but when it comes to character...I'll defend what is right...EVERY time.

I think a lot of the difference is D, you & I are parents...we see this w/ a different perspective, w/ that of parents.
We see our kids looking up to people "like" reggie...and want to discourage that kind of behavior & certainly don't want it associated with our school.

[Gravy]

I'm starting to believe logic < blind loyalty in loftin's case & no amount of reasoning will take the blinders off...


Wow....Loftin defends Reggie = White defends Fran. logic < blind loyalty :laugh:

[whitelightnin_23]

Wow....Loftin defends Reggie = White defends Fran. logic < blind loyalty :laugh:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...go read my post previous to yours...

It was pretty close to the time you posted this.

the two are completely different.

[Loftin]

which is it...evidence or conviction???
word of mouth=evidence
people you choose to associate with=evidence

Neither of those are admissible in court.


NOT enough to convict (a la OJ), but it is evidence.

There was plenty to convict OJ. Again, national racial tension turned that trial into a circus.


also Reggie would/could probably lose a civil suit in this situation...

So for not putting on his superman cape and protecting someone from several other angry people, he is liable?

and possibly could as well if the officer in the club incident wanted to push it (i'm sure he was paid a settlement)...

I'm pretty sure there wasn't a settlement...



I agree...the two are in no way similar in deeds (murder vs assault of a minor, security guard, & the cigaweed)...but are similar in your line of reasoning...I'm just taking your logic & pointing out the flaws...for something to be true, it must be consistant..

Your line of reasoning makes no sense. You are taking extreme examples and trying to make my situation unwinnable. How are they similar "in my line of reasoning"? Y'all are asking loaded questions and ignoring the real issue. Apples do not compare to oranges.

Some people have been convicted and put to death, then later proven innocent with DNA evidence. Do I still support the death penalty? Of course!


and how is my credibility in question? being consistant in your views does not = sound logic...you can be consistantly wrong too...

Sure, but while analyze the facts, y'all are analyzing my analysis...


and again...what IF reggie was arrested on charges of assaulting the 16 year old...what if he actually was involved and didn't just "sit in the van" as you are ASSUMING???

If that were the case, then I would be sad and just wouldn't talk about it. I would devote my energy to something positive about the Aggies or negative about our rivals.

[whitelightnin_23]

too much ignorance to respond to...

I've said what needs to be said...there is NO convincing loftin...

[Loftin]

I'll need a link!

No problem:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/2002/bowls/news/2002/12/28/oj_visit_ap/

[Loftin]

And coming from the son of an English teacher (& you always being the one to call out people about your spelling mistake pet peeve) you would think you would know that is is BADLY, not BAD!

That is an error of grammar, not spelling.

[Dustin00whoop]

That is an error of grammar, not spelling.

I understand that, genius. The point was that it was an English error & you always are going on to other people that being the son of an English teacher, spelling errors erk you. I guess that would make sense coming from you though. It's okay to use improper grammar, just don't spell the words wrong while doing it. The Loftin Hypocritical Logic strikes again!

[The Massacre]

this thread is starting to suck. :bored:


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa58/TheMassacre23423423/boobiesro2.gif


oops....how did that get there? :laugh:

[Dustin00whoop]

I'm pretty sure there wasn't a settlement...

Thanks for the previous link. Now I just need one for this statement & the one that the charges were dropped. Don't stop now...you're on a roll.

[The Massacre]

sorry mods. :(

[whitelightnin_23]

I understand that, genius. The point was that it was an English error & you always are going on to other people that being the son of an English teacher, spelling errors erk you. I guess that would make sense coming from you though. It's okay to use improper grammar, just don't spell the words wrong while doing it. The Loftin Hypocritical Logic strikes again!

I need a link to grammar.com before I believe any of this...
then, that link must be verified by snopes or some other independant, or otherwise non-biased source...

then...I'll believe what I want to anyways & declare myself "right"

[Gravy]

This is awesome.....finally Dustin and White getting some of their own blind loyalty medicine. The irony is almost too much.

[The Massacre]

well....that and Fran sucks.

[whitelightnin_23]

oh...this just in...
the DNA evidence cannot prove PacMan's guilt...

I guess he's a shining beacon of WVU after all...
those drug charges...there were no victims involved...so, no harm done.

[Gravy]

Watch it Mass! Stating a fact is considered bashing!

[The Massacre]

someone holler at thisjeffguy and get him over here so we can argue about "victimless crimes" again. :laugh:

[whitelightnin_23]

This is awesome.....finally Dustin and White getting some of their own blind loyalty medicine. The irony is almost too much.

how is not calling for the head of a coach who goes 9-3 & beat tu @ Austin blind loyalty?
how is that similar to calling out a former player on questionable character issues?

another logic-light poster :bored:

[Gravy]

How is not questioning kicking field goals when TD's are needed and kicking for 1 extra point when 2 are needed not blind loyalty?

Hypocrite, heal thyself! ;)

[whitelightnin_23]

How is not questioning kicking field goals when TD's are needed and kicking for 1 extra point when 2 are needed not blind loyalty?

show me where I supported his decision...

happy hunting.

I just didn't bitch & call for his head...I just found that to be a little irrational.

quit turning this into a f'n fran discussion...

go put your shirt on & have a "fire fran" party...start another thread...

[Gravy]

You supported his decision by not questioning his decision = Reggie supported beating the kid by not helping stop beat the kid.

Game, Set, Match.

NEXT!

[whitelightnin_23]

You supported his decision by not questioning his decision = Reggie supported beating the kid by not helping stop beat the kid.

Game, Set, Match.

NEXT!

wow...gravy, you got me there :bored:

why don't you start a conversation w/ pearland & shaft...they're a little more your speed ;)

[Gravy]

wow...gravy, you got me there :bored:

why don't you start a conversation w/ pearland & shaft...they're a little more your speed ;)

Don't worry, If I just got mentally spanked like you did, I would be trying to change up the picture too! ;)

[Loftin]

Thanks for the previous link. Now I just need one for this statement & the one that the charges were dropped. Don't stop now...you're on a roll.

So white can say he's pretty sure there was a settlement, and I'm not allowed to say that I'm pretty sure there wasn't one? "I'm pretty sure" implies an opinion.

Show me a link to charges being filed on the assault. Like I said before, you probably have the article about Reggie's one arrest framed. Look it up. I don't remember if charges were npt filed, dropped or if he was found not guilty. All I know is that he wasn't convicted. You're nit-picking...

[Dustin00whoop]

I'm going to need a link as to the info you are using to form your opinion.

I never said there were assualt charges filed. I said he was lucky that Assualt of a Peace Officer charges weren't filed. He was arrested for resisting arrest (which is completely different from assualt) & then later the charge with the cigarette was added on.

And, as far as I know, the case hasn't been tried yet. Its HARRIS FREAKING COUNTY....cases are settled in years, not months.

[Mole]

Doesn't Harris county send the most people to Death Row?