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Pumchavas28
06-03-2007, 11:15 PM
It seem's the Tribune feels the Big 12 is losing it's touch in the RB position.....

But despite that, it seems that A&M's 3 RB's are among it's Top 12...

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2007/Jun/20070603Spor008.asp



12. Chris Alexander, Texas A&M: These days, few teams employ a true fullback like Alexander. The 250-pound blocking back doesn’t get many carries, but he catches the occasional pass, including three for touchdowns last year.

11. Keith Totson, Oklahoma State: Running in the shadow of one of the league’s best backs - keep reading - Totson quietly put together an impressive freshman season last year, averaging almost 6 yards per carry.

10. Hugh Charles, Colorado: Charles has put together a solid career during what’s been an ugly few years for offense in Boulder. He’s carried the ball more than any other back in the league, but has scored only seven touchdowns.

9. James Johnson, Kansas State: It’s possible Johnson might not be the best back on K-State’s roster. The Wildcats waited until midway through the season to give Johnson and freshman Leon Patton extensive playing time last year, but the older Johnson has been a more polished blocker and receiver than Patton, who rushed for more yards and touchdowns last year. Expect them to split carries again this year, though Johnson is the expected starter.

8. Shannon Woods, Texas Tech: If he ever gets out of Mike Leach’s doghouse, Woods could build on a breakthrough sophomore season when he led the league in all-purpose yards. Kobey Lewis was Leach’s preferred back during the spring, but Woods was too productive to be a spectator.

7. Marlon Lucky, Nebraska: For the first time this fall, Lucky should be the featured back for Nebraska now that injuries and defections have depleted the backfield. His only 100-yard games have come against Nicholls State and Troy, but in two seasons, Lucky has carried the ball more than 18 times just once. Other than Texas Tech’s Woods, Lucky is the best receiving threat on this list.

6. Jorvorskie Lane, Texas A&M: At 275 pounds, Lane looks more like a nose tackle. He’s the best short-yardage runner in the country but nimble enough to serve as an every-down tailback. Here’s a great Lane statistic: On 29 third- and fourth-down carries last year, he either scored a touchdown or gained a first down 26 times.

5. Allen Patrick, Oklahoma: When Peterson went down last year, this rugged north-south runner actually improved Oklahoma’s running statistics. His style isn’t fancy - nor did he catch a pass last year - but he proved his toughness logging three consecutive games of 30-plus carries. Minor injuries broke him down late in the season.

4. Dantrell Savage, Oklahoma State: If not for Texas quarterback Colt McCoy, this junior college transfer should have been the league’s newcomer of the year in 2006. Only Peterson and Kansas’ Jon Cornish produced more 100-yard games than Savage’s five. The 5-9, 190-pound speedster didn’t get significant carries until midway through the season, but he made the most of his chances with 100-yard games against Texas A&M, Nebraska, Baylor, Texas Tech and Alabama in the Independence Bowl.

3. Tony Temple, Missouri: You can make a case that Temple’s 2006 rushing yardage - 1,063, more than any other returning Big 12 back - was skewed because of his 194-yard outburst against Oregon State in the Sun Bowl represented 18 percent of his season total. That doesn’t change the fact that Temple established himself as one of the league’s elite backs. He committed costly fumbles against Texas A&M and Oklahoma but overcame the other black mark on his résumé: For the first time in his career, Temple didn’t let injuries keep him on the sideline as he lugged the ball 15 or more times in eight games. He isn’t much of a receiving threat - just 22 career receptions - but remains as elusive and explosive as most backs on this list.

2. Jamaal Charles, Texas: Charles might never reproduce his brilliant 2005 season when he averaged almost 8 yards per carry. Last year, with McCoy replacing Vince Young at quarterback, defenses focused their attention on Charles. He logged more carries, but the explosive plays weren’t there, as he averaged 2 fewer yards per carry. Despite an offensive line that included two NFL draft picks, Charles’ only 100-yard game came in September against Rice. That was enough to keep him out of the top spot.

1. Mike Goodson, Texas A&M: How can a player with only one career 100-yard game and four touchdowns top this list? Just look what Goodson did last year in limited duty against A&M’s best competition: 10 carries for 127 yards against Oklahoma … 11 for 80 against Nebraska … 15 for 86 against Texas. Had fumble issues not kept Goodson on the bench early in the year, his breakthrough would have come sooner.

As long as Goodson splits carries with Lane he might never lead the league in rushing. But only four running backs in the country with 100 or more attempts averaged more yards per carry than Goodson’s Big 12-leading 6.7. In conference games, his output was even better: 7.5 yards per carry.

A few days before the Holiday Bowl, San Diego Chargers star running back LaDainian Tomlinson spoke to the Aggies at their hotel and individually met with Goodson. "I certainly see a guy that could become that type of football player," A&M Coach Dennis Franchione told the Dallas Morning News, comparing Goodson to Tomlinson, whom he coached at TCU. "If he’ll keep his focus and continue to channel it in the right direction and work like L.T. worked, he has no limit on what he can accomplish."

Thisjeffguy07
06-03-2007, 11:26 PM
nice find... :gig:

The Massacre
06-03-2007, 11:30 PM
:gig:

Conan
06-04-2007, 12:17 AM
I'm glad they recognize that ALL of our runningbacks KICK ***

BTW: Jamall "butterfingers" Charles sucks on ice

jagowar
06-04-2007, 12:32 AM
man 3 of 12.... pretty impressive.

just imagine how good those guys would be if we ever get a competent passing game going and people actually have to respect the pass.

Loftin
06-04-2007, 02:36 AM
Putting the best RB in the nation as the #6 in our conference is laughable...

Vlyrock
06-04-2007, 07:30 AM
:bored:

aggie1997
06-04-2007, 08:51 AM
Putting the best RB in the nation as the #6 in our conference is laughable...

I don't think I would put Lane as the best RB in the nation.

Loftin
06-04-2007, 10:02 AM
I don't think I would put Lane as the best RB in the nation.

I would...

whitelightnin_23
06-04-2007, 10:04 AM
I would...

SHOCKING!!! :wow: :bored:

aggie1997
06-04-2007, 10:10 AM
I am not saying he is not a good RB, but I don't think I would say he is the best in college football. He is mainly a short yardage back that lacks stamina. Hopefully with his reduced weight, his stamina will be stronger.

Loftin
06-04-2007, 10:16 AM
I am not saying he is not a good RB, but I don't think I would say he is the best in college football. He is mainly a short yardage back that lacks stamina. Hopefully with his reduced weight, his stamina will be stronger.

He plays his best in the 4th quarter in games where he has 20+ carries. Stamina has never been an issue with J-Train. The only thing holding J-Train back is playcalling. Refer to the pic in my signature...

aggie1997
06-04-2007, 10:21 AM
J-Train finished 95 in the country in rushing last year. Goodson finished 69. I agree that play calling played a role in the lack of production from Lane, but I don't think it would have placed him 94 positions higher in the rankings.

Loftin
06-04-2007, 10:57 AM
J-Train finished 95 in the country in rushing last year. Goodson finished 69. I agree that play calling played a role in the lack of production from Lane, but I don't think it would have placed him 94 positions higher in the rankings.

When you have "co-starters" at RB and a QB who runs a lot, you aren't going to have anyone lead the nation in rushing yards. I never said he has the most rushing yards in the nation, I said he was the best RB in the nation.

Converting 26 out of 29 3rd and 4th downs is unrivaled. Despite being #95 in rushing yards, J-Train was #2 in rushing TDs nationally.

Lane's game can be summed up in three words: Consistent, productive, scary. I wouldn't trade him for any RB in the nation.

whitelightnin_23
06-04-2007, 11:00 AM
When you have "co-starters" at RB and a QB who runs a lot, you aren't going to have anyone lead the nation in rushing yards. I never said he has the most rushing yards in the nation, I said he was the best RB in the nation.

Converting 26 out of 29 3rd and 4th downs is unrivaled. Despite being #95 in rushing yards, J-Train was #2 in rushing TDs nationally.

Lane's game can be summed up in three words: Consistent, productive, scary. I wouldn't trade him for any RB in the nation.

so how does he compare to LenDale White...who also had a high TD count...(I think more than 19)...

LenDale White wasn't even the best RB on his team...I'm thinking the same about Lane (of course, w/ no disrespect to him)...I just think Goodson is the better back.

aggie1997
06-04-2007, 11:03 AM
He should have been #1 in rushing TDs, but we stopped using him in short yardage situations. Almost all of his scores came from inside the 5 yard line. He avg 4.37 yards per rush (Well below best in the nation). Again, some of this can be based on play calling.

blackgloves
06-04-2007, 11:10 AM
All three of our guys deserved to be in there. And its good to see the credit being handed out to them.

Loftin
06-04-2007, 11:44 AM
so how does he compare to LenDale White...who also had a high TD count...(I think more than 19)...

LenDale White wasn't even the best RB on his team...I'm thinking the same about Lane (of course, w/ no disrespect to him)...I just think Goodson is the better back.

LenDale White was not as consistent Lane (and he was the same team as Reggie Bush).

While players like Goodson and Charles will have exciting breakaway plays, Lane will consistently give you what you need. He is the closest thing to a guarantee as you will see in football. I value what he gives us more than anything. I wouldn't trade J-Train for any player in the nation.

Mole
06-04-2007, 11:58 AM
Here’s a great Lane statistic: On 29 third- and fourth-down carries last year, he either scored a touchdown or gained a first down 26 times.

You know what I'm going to say so I won't even bother saying it. I think it goes without saying that we should use Lane more in short yardage.

GuatemalanAg
06-04-2007, 12:04 PM
We are loaded @ the RB position :gig:

Mezentius
06-04-2007, 12:22 PM
We're indeed loaded.

I love Lane...he's a bruising power back that imposes his will on his opponents but you can't say conditioning wasn't an issue.

Did anyone see him huffing and puffing in the first quarter of the bowl game like he had just gotten done running wind sprints?

Has anyone charted his runs and when they happen. Yes he ate clock in several games late but there is a reason he wasn't getting carries late in games late in the season...I simply think his conditioning wasn't up to snuff later in the year and he broked down because of it.

I think that is a lesson learned and remedied...he looked much more trim in the spring game. If he keeps the extra poundage off and keeps his conditioning up he will be a much more consistent fixture late in games.

I mean he went 26/29 in short yardage plays on 3rd and 4th downs...do you think he should have been involved in more of them and ask yourself why?

The easy answer is Fran didn't put him in. Ask yourself, "why wasn't he in the game."

Last year he was good for 2 carries a series before having to come out for a few plays...I hated seeing him run for 8 on 2 and 10 after also being in there on first down because there was no way he could generally be counted on to make the run on 3rd down (Missouri game being aberration rather than a trend).

I think he can be that back more consistently if he wants to be.

Loftin
06-04-2007, 12:47 PM
I love Lane...he's a bruising power back that imposes his will on his opponents but you can't say conditioning wasn't an issue.

I can.


Did anyone see him huffing and puffing in the first quarter of the bowl game like he had just gotten done running wind sprints?

I recorded that game on DVD and have watched it 2-3 times since the game. I've heard a couple of people say he looked winded or whatever, but I just can't see ANYTHING that would even HINT that. All they did was zoom the cameras in on his belly, with Herbstreit laughing.


The easy answer is Fran didn't put him in. Ask yourself, "why wasn't he in the game."

I'm not allowed to say that Fran is incompetent (because that word has been specifically branded as a personal attack on Fran by the powers that be on this website), but I'll just say that Franchione doesn't understand what he has.

People need to wake up and realize that Jorvorskie Lane is a once in a lifetime prototype athlete. Every team has a "big back," but none with the size and power of Lane. Add to that the fact that Lane has agility and does not wear down. I repeat: HE DOES NOT WEAR DOWN.

The more he touches the ball, the higher our chances are of winning. It's that simple.

texag005
06-04-2007, 01:11 PM
I don't think it's accurate for you to say he doesn't wear down. Every player wears down some as the game goes on. The reason he is effective in the 4th quarter of games is not b/c he's some god of an athlete and doesn't wear out, but it's b/c if we utilize him correctly and call plays correctly, our offensive line and a heavy dose of the J Train is leaning very heavily on their defensive front by the 4th quarter. When our offensive line is firing off the ball and driving the defensive front back 3-5 yards and then the J Train comes barreling through, it's pretty difficult to stop.

Vlyrock
06-04-2007, 01:24 PM
Not to mention that his 3rd and 4th down numbers are that good because the rest of the offense and he put us in that situation. When Goodson got 9 yards on a 2nd and 10, it helped Lane because he only had to get 1 yard. I understand a back that big is a great asset, and those numbers tell me he was used right. Can you tell me he was used wrong with that type of conversion percentage? No, of course not. You could argue (which you are), that we should've used him more, but you can't honestly say that the percentage would've stayed where it was. Fran had his reason for not putting JL in on other 3rd downs and either distance, confidence or conditioning had something to do with it.

Also, that stat is misleading because Lane rarely (if ever) carried it on 3rd and and longer than 4 when we ran instead of pass. Instead, McGee or Goodson would run it on an option or dive to get the yards. If Lane was our every down back his numbers would not be that good on 3rd and 4th downs, plain as that.

Mezentius
06-04-2007, 01:42 PM
I think Lane has the potential to be a great back...I mean we saw it against Missouri and in spurts throughout the year. But upside and talent mean nothing if you aren't in shape.

When a player has his hands on his hips on the first possession of the first quarter and you can visibly see him breathing then he's not aerobically in shape. The fact that the shots of his belly showed a pronounced overhang on a man playing a "skill" position...that says all you need to say.

I think this year he shows what he can do all season long. But he should and will split carries with Goodson. It keeps them both healthy for the whole season and Goodson adds a homerun threat....I am especially intrigued by the shotgun two back look with them both in the game (talk about holding the safeties for play action).

I think this offense is just scary....plain scary.

Loftin
06-04-2007, 02:17 PM
You could argue (which you are), that we should've used him more, but you can't honestly say that the percentage would've stayed where it was.

Yes, I can. To say otherwise is to assume that J-Train would fail. J-Train not converting on 3rd down is an anomaly.

Fran had his reason for not putting JL in on other 3rd downs and either distance, confidence or conditioning had something to do with it.

No, ego and ignorance had something to do with it.

If Lane was our every down back his numbers would not be that good on 3rd and 4th downs, plain as that.

If Lane had more carries his numbers would only go up.

I think Lane has the potential to be a great back...

And you have the potential to realize that he already is...

talent mean nothing if you aren't in shape.

He is in shape.

This is where a lot of Aggie fans make mistakes. Being "in shape" is not exactly the same shape for every person. J-Train is at his peak when he is 270 or 280 pounds. That is "in shape" for his body. Like I said before, people need to realize that this is a prototype athlete.

. The fact that the shots of his belly showed a pronounced overhang on a man playing a "skill" position...that says all you need to say.

It says that you need to open your mind. Jorvorskie is re-inventing the RB position. There was once a time when teams didn't like scrambling QBs, but the game has evolved. Jorvorskie Lane is the next step in the evolution of football, clearly a man ahead of his time.



I think this year he shows what he can do all season long.

He is already proven.

But he should and will split carries with Goodson. It keeps them both healthy for the whole season and Goodson adds a homerun threat....I am especially intrigued by the shotgun two back look with them both in the game (talk about holding the safeties for play action).

I think this offense is just scary....plain scary.

I agree that the Lane/Goodson combo is lethal. There is no better 1-2 punch running the ball in the nation than those 2.

whitelightnin_23
06-04-2007, 03:05 PM
loftin...no one can argue w/ your opinion...and that is all that you are providing...so :gig:

Mezentius
06-04-2007, 03:46 PM
He wasn't 270 last year...he was at least 290 lbs if not heavier. At 260 he's much like Jerome Bettis, in the early 90's.

At 290 he's like Bettis two years ago ....good inside the 3 yard line.

Loftin
06-04-2007, 04:49 PM
loftin...no one can argue w/ your opinion...and that is all that you are providing...so :gig:

I can't prove that converting 26 of 29 3rd/4th downs is good, but it should be obvious. I just don't understand why everyone wants to downplay J-Train so much.

He wasn't 270 last year...he was at least 290 lbs if not heavier. At 260 he's much like Jerome Bettis, in the early 90's.

At 290 he's like Bettis two years ago ....good inside the 3 yard line.

At 260 he was a 3-star recruit. At 280 he's the best RB in college football. He got better as a direct result of being bigger.

Mezentius
06-04-2007, 05:50 PM
How is he the best RB in college football? I don't debate he's good but to say he's the best when he hasn't topped 1k in rushing in a season yet is a stretch.

whitelightnin_23
06-04-2007, 05:51 PM
no...not the 26/29 stat (which some have rebutted), but a stat is a stat...good for you. hang on to it...I'm talking about these opinions:

Yes, I can. To say otherwise is to assume that J-Train would fail. J-Train not converting on 3rd down is an anomaly.

No, ego and ignorance had something to do with it.

If Lane had more carries his numbers would only go up.

And you have the potential to realize that he already is...

He is in shape.

This is where a lot of Aggie fans make mistakes. Being "in shape" is not exactly the same shape for every person. J-Train is at his peak when he is 270 or 280 pounds. That is "in shape" for his body. Like I said before, people need to realize that this is a prototype athlete.

It says that you need to open your mind. Jorvorskie is re-inventing the RB position. There was once a time when teams didn't like scrambling QBs, but the game has evolved. Jorvorskie Lane is the next step in the evolution of football, clearly a man ahead of his time.

He is already proven.

I agree that the Lane/Goodson combo is lethal. There is no better 1-2 punch running the ball in the nation than those 2.

Vlyrock
06-04-2007, 06:20 PM
I can't prove that converting 26 of 29 3rd/4th downs is good, but it should be obvious. I just don't understand why everyone wants to downplay J-Train so much.

Nobody's downplaying him...we're just agreeing he's not the best back in the country (or possibly our team if Goodson is better this year). However, I would only want to see him in Maroon and not on the opposing team. I love J-train...I'm just not in love with J-train.

whitelightnin_23
06-04-2007, 09:47 PM
good point vly...

NO ONE is saying JT isn't an AWESOME back & a force to be reconned with...I just think (opinion) you're being a little myopic about his overall talent level...

but for the record also...I HOPE you prove me wrong!!!

Dustin00whoop
06-05-2007, 11:51 PM
The only thing that will be proven this year is that Loftin is wrong & that Goodson is the best back in the Big XII! But everyone else already knew that!

Loftin
06-06-2007, 02:01 AM
The only thing that will be proven this year is that Loftin is wrong

There's a first time for everything...