3 gone!

[blackgloves]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007/news/story?id=2871615

We'll give up Big Shot Bob for Stoude and Diaw!

I wonder what the Suns fans think about this whole ordeal now.

Boy, all we have to do is take care of buisness this next game with those two gone

[Superaggie79]

that's a sad way to look at it.

[blackgloves]

that's a sad way to look at it.


Its a dog eats dog world

gotta get it how you can

If its not cheating.... then its fine with me

[Pflugerville Ag]

Stern made a huge mistake in doing this. If he is going to suspend them, then how can he justify not suspending Duncan for leaving the bench in the 2nd quarter? The NBA TV ratings are suffering already and this is going to hurt them even more.

[Superaggie79]

Stern made a huge mistake in doing this. If he is going to suspend them, then how can he justify not suspending Duncan for leaving the bench in the 2nd quarter? The NBA TV ratings are suffering already and this is going to hurt them even more.
I missed this :spy:

[blackgloves]

I missed this :spy:

me too

[Pumchavas28]

If anyone saw or listened to Mike & Mike... It was explained by an NBA official (The Guy Who Made The Supsension) why it was done like that...

1) Players go out on the court all the time during a game & every time a team calls a time out to give High 5's & what not.... So "Technically" everyone could be banned for 1 game...

2) Tim was not going after anyone... the player who up ended Elson was already down court & Tim was obviously concerned about his team mate who almost went head 1st into the floor & Tim was not looking to fight anyone or retaliate, he wanted to see how his teammate was doing..

3) Amare was going after Horry.. he had to be Bear Hugged & held back by 1 or 2 people from getting into it with Horry. Amare was not concerned about Nash and was not going to his aid. He was instead going to escalate the issue & create more drama.



But I am sure that an NBA official isn't enough for Pflug, Dustin, or SA who will now twist & turn things to try & make the 2 different situations the same...

Again, remember.... Folks go on the court all the time in celebration or when a big dunk is made... It happens all the time... But what forced the NBA to suspend the 2 Suns players was their OBVIOUS intent.


Also keep in mind that both players were interviewed by League Officials yesterday along with several Suns Players & Media close the Suns bench & after those interviews, the League felt compeled to Suspend the 2 guys because it was obvious that Amare was NOT checking in & was NOT going to Nash.

[PinetarAg]

Stern made a huge mistake in doing this. If he is going to suspend them, then how can he justify not suspending Duncan for leaving the bench in the 2nd quarter? The NBA TV ratings are suffering already and this is going to hurt them even more.

I heard Stephen A Smith talking about Duncan leaving the bench....I missed it myself but I heard it on the radion and on ESPN and that if you go by letter of the law yes Amare and Boris should be suspended but Duncan should too, and I think they said Bowen also got up....but for sure Duncan

[blackgloves]

I knew the Spurs haters would voice this opinion :cool:

[whitelightnin_23]

If anyone saw or listened to Mike & Mike... It was explained by an NBA official (The Guy Who Made The Supsension) why it was done like that...

1) Players go out on the court all the time during a game & every time a team calls a time out to give High 5's & what not.... So "Technically" everyone could be banned for 1 game...

2) Tim was not going after anyone... the player who up ended Elson was already down court & Tim was obviously concerned about his team mate who almost went head 1st into the floor & Tim was not looking to fight anyone or retaliate, he wanted to see how his teammate was doing..

3) Amare was going after Horry.. he had to be Bear Hugged & held back by 1 or 2 people from getting into it with Horry. Amare was not concerned about Nash and was not going to his aid. He was instead going to escalate the issue & create more drama.



But I am sure that an NBA official isn't enough for Pflug, Dustin, or SA who will now twist & turn things to try & make the 2 different situations the same...

Again, remember.... Folks go on the court all the time in celebration or when a big dunk is made... It happens all the time... But what forced the NBA to suspend the 2 Suns players was their OBVIOUS intent.


Also keep in mind that both players were interviewed by League Officials yesterday along with several Suns Players & Media close the Suns bench & after those interviews, the League felt compeled to Suspend the 2 guys because it was obvious that Amare was NOT checking in & was NOT going to Nash.

I heard this too...sounded pretty reasonable...although I didn't see it happen...

If what Stu Jackson described is accurate...I can see why Duncan wasn't suspended...I can also see why Staud was suspended...

Bottom line:
there was an altercation & he left the bench...the rule is pretty clear on that.
Duncan, when he "left the bench" (a few feet on the court) was celebrating the dunk (acc'd to Stu Jackson).

[Pumchavas28]

I heard Stephen A Smith talking about Duncan leaving the bench....I missed it myself but I heard it on the radion and on ESPN and that if you go by letter of the law yes Amare and Boris should be suspended but Duncan should too, and I think they said Bowen also got up....but for sure Duncan


Stephen A is a wanna be thug in a suite....

Stephen A also forgets that players come out on the court to give high 5's & for dunks... I guess lets Ban everyone after every Dunk or Time Out...

Stephen A also forgets that Tim wasn't going to fight anyone & was walking slowly towards Elson not any of the Suns players.. while Amare was going after Horry...

Now granted I would have acted like Amare myself had that been my teammate. But that is just the way the League saw it.

[Pflugerville Ag]

Duncan was half way across the court b/c of an altercation with one of his teammates. Just b/c he didn't make it all the way there does not mean that he didn't break the rules. Leaving the bench b/c of any altercation is supposed to get you suspended. If you are going to suspend the Suns best player, then you have to do the same with the Spurs.

[blackgloves]

Stephen A is a wanna be thug in a suite....



WHOA WHOA WHOA....

calm down Punch

thats a little over the top for Stephen A...
I like that guy and he's far from a thug

[Superaggie79]

Amare and Diaw never made it onto the court. They were still on the sideline

[blackgloves]

Amare and Diaw never made it onto the court. They were still on the sideline


no freaking way....

even if he had to be restrained and Im sure he was sitting down while this is all going on

[whitelightnin_23]

someone just post the f'n video so we don't keep talking about what we remember we saw...or what we heard someone else see...

[PinetarAg]

Stephen A also forgets that Tim wasn't going to fight anyone

My bad Pum...I forgot you talked to him and asked him what his intentions were.

a little pillow talk between Pum and Duncan ;)

[blackgloves]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[PJAggiegrrl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0qe7PGCQvI

[blackgloves]

YouTube - Nash gets a Hard Foul from Robert Horry

[Pumchavas28]

Duncan was half way across the court b/c of an altercation with one of his teammates. Just b/c he didn't make it all the way there does not mean that he didn't break the rules. Leaving the bench b/c of any altercation is supposed to get you suspended. If you are going to suspend the Suns best player, then you have to do the same with the Spurs.


Are you kidding...

1/2 way... really.... Wow... Just wow....:stupid:

Altercation... HA, Ha, Ha....:stupid:

What altercation... Elson was on the floor holding his head... Tim was going to see his teammate on the floor... There was no one around Elson on the play... no one getting in his face or anything....


I guess Elson had an altercation with himself & Tim wanted to fight his own teammate or seperate his teammate from himself...:bored::laugh:

[blackgloves]

yeah.... sure .... he didn't leave the bench :bored: (for SA)

[Pumchavas28]

Amare and Diaw never made it onto the court. They were still on the sideline


Right........ League officials who have 10 different angles of it & are wrong...:bored:

[blackgloves]

Proof that the hate for SA Spurs runs very....very deep

[Pumchavas28]

My bad Pum...I forgot you talked to him and asked him what his intentions were.

a little pillow talk between Pum and Duncan ;)


Well who was he going to fight... The Suns players were down the court... I guess walking slower than my Grandmother, he was going to fight Elson (his teammate).... :undecided:

[PinetarAg]

maybe

[Pumchavas28]

Proof that the hate for SA Spurs runs very....very deep


Jealousy is an ugly thing some times.... ;)

[blackgloves]

hey yall read the comments under the youtube vids posted

:laugh:

[phatbc]

yeah duncan was in no way doing the same thing as amare and boris. just look at the replay. I've already seen it. He's just walking out there (like 2 feet) to see if elson is ok and no sun player was around. players walk off the bench all the time. But as soon as you do it in an altercation, you are done. thats the rules. sorry. :sad:

[Pflugerville Ag]

Pum, I'm not going to argue with you all day. I'll leave that for Dustin! Its obvious that no matter what the Spurs do, you will defend them and think they are angels. I am not a Suns or Spurs fan, so I don't care either way.

[Superaggie79]

but when you don't become part of the altercation there should be no penalty.

[whitelightnin_23]

yeah duncan was in no way doing the same thing as amare and boris. just look at the replay. I've already seen it. He's just walking out there (like 2 feet) to see if elson is ok and no sun player was around. players walk off the bench all the time. But as soon as you do it in an altercation, you are done. thats the rules. sorry. :sad:

agreed...

also, not a spurs or suns fan...just looking at the evidence/facts...

[blackgloves]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41505&page=2

The time that Duncan "left" the bench is in this thread

I can see why he wasn't suspended. If he would have been all hell would have broke

[PinetarAg]

yeah duncan was in no way doing the same thing as amare and boris. just look at the replay. I've already seen it. He's just walking out there (like 2 feet) to see if elson is ok and no sun player was around. players walk off the bench all the time. But as soon as you do it in an altercation, you are done. thats the rules. sorry. :sad:

by Duncan coming out on the floor could be viewed as an agressive act in reaction to a teammate being hurt....he should be suspended too if you strictly interpret the rule like it was for Amare...all it would take is for some suns players actually on the court to look and see duncan coming on to the court and a fight could break out....thats what the rule is preventing

[Pumchavas28]

but when you don't become part of the altercation there should be no penalty.


AGREED.... But until the League changes the rule or adds that to the rule... the league will continue screwing people....

[Superaggie79]

If you watch at 1:26 Amare is walking with a towel around his neck. He's no more that 3 ft on the court still behind the coaching line and Diaw never made it onto the actual court. They are both looking down at Nash when pulled back.

[blackgloves]

I work a job that if the black and white rules took effect EVERY single time. Everyone would be fired, people might die, get hurt etc....

there should always be a gray area and in this case the Duncan ordeal is CLEARLY a gray area.

He should not be suspended.... go look at the vid in the thread I just posted (link)

[blackgloves]

If you watch at 1:26 Amare is walking with a towel around his neck. He's no more that 3 ft on the court still behind the coaching line and Diaw never made it onto the actual court. They are both looking down at Nash when pulled back.


jesus christ :bored:

[Pumchavas28]

by Duncan coming out on the floor could be viewed as an agressive act in reaction to a teammate being hurt....he should be suspended too if you strictly interpret the rule like it was for Amare...all it would take is for some suns players actually on the court to look and see duncan coming on to the court and a fight could break out....thats what the rule is preventing



C'mon... really....

Again who was Duncan "agressive" to? Elson... Elson was alone.... Tim wasn't looking at anyone except his own teammate...

In both situations I would & have acted like Duncan & Amare..

I have been concerned about a teammate & gone out to them like Duncan was and try to help them up...

I have also seen a friend/teammate get taken down the wrong way & gotten into fights to back them up like Amare wanted to...

I am not saying Amare was wrong... I've done it myself... I am just saying that Amare & Tim were involved in 2 different situations & had 2 different intentions..

And no I don't need to know them or talk to them... it's obvious.. If you don't see it, well then what I can say other than the Hate is Strong With You...

[Superaggie79]

jesus christ :bored:
The evidence is there. Look at it. His right foot is essentially still on the sideline. They are both looking at Nash.

[Pumchavas28]

If you watch at 1:26 Amare is walking with a towel around his neck. He's no more that 3 ft on the court still behind the coaching line and Diaw never made it onto the actual court. They are both looking down at Nash when pulled back.


And then right after that he's being held back and still trying to fight off whoever is holding him... What about that?

[blackgloves]

GO SPURS GO!

[Pumchavas28]

The evidence is there. Look at it. His right foot is essentially still on the sideline. They are both looking at Nash.


Obviously your wrong... The league has made it's ruling... Maybe if you call em up & show them what you have, they might change their minds...

[PinetarAg]

Duncan is inside the three point line.....no excuse if the rule is going to be stricly enforced he should be suspended

[blackgloves]

go Spurs Go!

[Pumchavas28]

Dincan is inside the three point line.....no excuse if the rule is going to be stricly enforced he should be suspended


Again... do you know how many people cross the 3 point line.. Coaches, Players & so on during a game? For different reasons....

http://www.clubspurs.com/forums/images/avatars/13837816464649827e5a4dd.gif

[Superaggie79]

And then right after that he's being held back and still trying to fight off whoever is holding him... What about that?
In that instance how is he to know the guy grabbing him from behind isn't a spurs player?

[PinetarAg]

Again... do you know how many people cross the 3 point line.. Coaches, Players & so on during a game? For different reasons....

http://www.clubspurs.com/forums/images/avatars/13837816464649827e5a4dd.gif

but he did it in reaction to a negative play agaisnt his team...wasn't slapping hands and happy....he was the only one standing up and on the court....his presence staring down the suns and ref could be aggressive act and create an altercation....so again I say because of that if you are going to strickly interpret the rule he needs to be suspended too....

I'm not saying he needs to be suspended for that...but the suns guys should not be either....if you are going to suspend one you have to suspend all

[Pumchavas28]

http://www.roberthorry.net/wallpapers/tpwp-14Dave32i.jpg http://www.roberthorry.net/wallpapers/tpwp-14Dave31i.jpg

Have a nice day! :cool:

[Pumchavas28]

In that instance how is he to know the guy grabbing him from behind isn't a spurs player?


Because the guy is infront of him wearing a suite....

Last I checked guys don't wear suites unless they are coaches...

[PinetarAg]

and for the record there are 3 suns players a ref and Elson there.....so dont give me there was only elson right there and was just worried if his boo was hurt

[blackgloves]

yeah this thread is going no where

I had hoped my GO SPURS GO was going to kill the madness

[whitelightnin_23]

I love lamp.

[Pumchavas28]

but he did it in reaction to a negative play agaisnt his team...wasn't slapping hands and happy....he was the only one standing up and on the court....his presence staring down the suns and ref could be aggressive act and create an altercation....so again I say because of that if you are going to strickly interpret the rule he needs to be suspended too....

I'm not saying he needs to be suspended for that...but the suns guys should not be either....if you are going to suspend one you have to suspend all


He was staring at Elson... he didn't look at the Refs or the Suns... so you lost me at that point.....


But I agree that Amare shouldn't be suspended.... but ya'll act like I made the rule... I am just repeating what was said on Mike & Mike this morning....

[PinetarAg]

Because the guy is infront of him wearing a suite....

Last I checked guys don't wear suites unless they are coaches...

actually injured players are now required by the new dress code to wear suites....also training staff wears suites.....so guess there are more than only coaches that wear suites;)

[Superaggie79]

:laugh:

[Superaggie79]

where's dustin?

[Pumchavas28]

and for the record there are 3 suns players a ref and Elson there.....so dont give me there was only elson right there and was just worried if his boo was hurt


They were running down court & when Duncan came on the court... They were already gone...

[Pumchavas28]

actually injured players are now required by the new dress code to wear suites....also training staff wears suites.....so guess there are more than only coaches that wear suites;)


Ok... how many injured Spurs were over on the Suns Bench?

[PinetarAg]

He was staring at Elson... he didn't look at the Refs or the Suns... so you lost me at that point.....


But I agree that Amare shouldn't be suspended.... but ya'll act like I made the rule... I am just repeating what was said on Mike & Mike this morning....

I know this is going to be painful but look at the tape...Nash, Barbosa and the ref are right there.....how the f*ck do you know which one he was looking at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39nRO5keRM

[Pumchavas28]

where's dustin?


:zzz:

[Pumchavas28]

I know this is going to be painful but look at the tape...Nash, Barbosa and the ref are right there.....how the f*ck do you know which one he was looking at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39nRO5keRM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39nRO5keRM)


I have said it before like others, when Ag Vids are posted... can't see youtube at work... Sorry.... can you post in another way so I can see it on Windows Media?

[Superaggie79]

I can't believe a spurs blogger wrote this http://www.poundingtherock.com/story/2007/5/16/25911/4910

[blackgloves]

both sides feel strongly about their side of the argument

just end it with a good ole GO SPURS GO

[Pumchavas28]

I thought this was funny...

http://www.roberthorry.net/wallpapers/ginofan_brucelist_1024x768.jpg

[Superaggie79]

the suns should just show that over and over and over before the game tonight

[Pumchavas28]

I can't believe a spurs blogger wrote this http://www.poundingtherock.com/story/2007/5/16/25911/4910



I agree with his post...

[PinetarAg]

fine I will be man enough and end this once and for all.....
















































the river walk smells like moldy piss;)

[Pumchavas28]

fine I will be man enough and end this once and for all.....



the river walk smells like moldy piss;)


That's why I don't eat down there..... because honestly... sometimes it does... But eh... I am not from San Antonio...

[phatbc]

OK LETS STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT

Duncan did not leave the AREA OF THE BENCH.

The 2 suns players DID.

Its not about getting on the court, standing up, etc.

Its about leaving the area of the bench during an altercation. Therefore Duncan didn't do anything that doesn't happen in 100 percent of basketball games. Amare and Boris DID. End of story.

[Superaggie79]

define "immediate vicinity" of the bench

[Pumchavas28]

define "immediate vicinity" of the bench


Forwarding question to League office, since our definition could vary from theirs...

[Superaggie79]

thanks

[Pumchavas28]

:gig:

[PJAggiegrrl]

Die thread Die!!! ;)

[Pumchavas28]

Yeah Thread..... DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blackgloves]

Die thread Die!!! ;)

what she said

[Pumchavas28]

I agree! ;)

[Dustin00whoop]

Look, I didn't read Page 3 of this thing, but Spurs fans are clearly missing the point. "Intent" isn't mentioned in the rule whatsoever! So who cares what Amare & Boris were trying to do, they were less on the court than Duncan was.

The rule is vague & is left up to too much interpretation. One, what is an altercation? I would say a hard foul that results in people getting in each other's face is an altercation. If thats the case, then Duncan should've been suspended! There is no arguing that he left the bench!

Two, what is leaving the bench? Amare & Boris took maybe one step onto the court & never crossed the coach's line! Regardless of what they were intending to do, they never left the bench area! By the way the league interpretted the law in this instance, all Suns players stood up, so all should be suspended!

[Pumchavas28]

all Suns players stood up, so all should be suspended!


That could work! :gig:

[Pumchavas28]

I would say a hard foul that results in people getting in each other's face is an altercation. If thats the case, then Duncan should've been suspended! There is no arguing that he left the bench!

I think that's the biggest problem... folks are going off of what "THEY WOULD SAY"...

Instead of what the league says.... I don't agree with the ruling, but it's done & over with...

[Superaggie79]

I think it'd be great if the Suns just did a sit out in the middle of the court just to piss Stern off. That guy is such a jackass. Do you remember in the Dallas series where he said the Sonics owner would be recanting his statement that he wanted to move the team to vegas?

[Pumchavas28]

Stern = Suspect

[Dustin00whoop]

I think that's the biggest problem... folks are going off of what "THEY WOULD SAY"...

Instead of what the league says.... I don't agree with the ruling, but it's done & over with...


Media outlets nationwide also said that it was an "altercation", so it wasn't just me!

[Pumchavas28]

Media outlets nationwide also said that it was an "altercation", so it wasn't just me!


On Media Outlets across the Nation it hasn't been 100% one way or the other... I listen to the radio 24/7... some say yes it was & some say no it wasn't...

And besides... these are the same Media folks who vote on the NBA 1st , 2nd & 3rd team.... Get real.... LIke Camby is the best Defensive Player in the league....

PLEASE..... Hell Diaw is better than Camby on Defense.... Using the Media isn't a strong argument.

[Dustin00whoop]

Well, then what other freaking sources do you want, Pum! The media & people on here are the only ones commenting on it! AND NO, I not using the League Office....they always have an aggenda with every move they make!

[whitelightnin_23]

The NBA is rigged.

That is all...

[blackgloves]

The NBA is rigged.

That is all...


:gig:

[Pumchavas28]

Well, then what other freaking sources do you want, Pum! The media & people on here are the only ones commenting on it! AND NO, I not using the League Office....they always have an aggenda with every move they make!


While I agree with you about the League Office... they are the final say on the issue...

That's like a judge making a ruling & then someone saying, "Well I don't agree with it"... well who cares what anyone other than the judge thinks.... The ruling is final...

Also... it's not like most Media outlets don't have an agenda of their own... (tu anyone?).... lets not forget that the Media hates the idea of the Spurs in the Finals again....

And I have said... I don't think Amare should be suspended... but I guess that slips by everyone...:laugh:

[Pumchavas28]

The NBA is rigged.

That is all...


Stern = McMahon

[Dustin00whoop]

And I have said... I don't think Amare should be suspended

That must've been on page 3...which I said I didn't read!

Stern looked like a total idiot today on Dan Patrick! I can't believe he actually allowed some of that garbage to come out of his mouth! I agree with White, his league is rigged, & I think he is pissed because everyone is starting to see it!

[Pumchavas28]

Stern always looks like an idiot....

[blackgloves]

Stern got nasty with Patrick today. I only heard the first min or two, but the little I heard I agreed with Stern.