Rutgers & Don Imus

[Vlyrock]

We haven't had a formal discussion about this...so what do you guys think?

The outrage is that he called Rutgers' women basketball team "nappy headed hos." The NCAAP and other black and women organizations protested this and he's being suspended for 2 weeks starting monday. I never heard the context of this sentence and don't know exactly what his tone was or what was happening, but why the huge backlash?

First of all, you can be offended two ways. The first part "Nappy Headed" can be construed as a racist comment. The second part "Hos" is derogatory to women...

My 2 cents:
Music usually defines a culture or group. Rap music is 95% of the time being performed by black artists and is usually considered a staple in the black community. This type of music (most of it) glorifies gangsters, money, b*tches and hos...

As a feminist group, how can you come down so hard on Imus without taking your groups and protesting in front of RCA and the other labels that produce this music.

I just feel like this snowballed into something bigger than it should've been. You know...I never would've known that something like this happened if it stayed out of the news and wasn't covered so much. Now it is -- and 70% of the population has been introduced (and heard) the term nappy headed hos hundreds of times already in the past week...

What are your thoughts?

[Curly06]

I didnt hear it so i dont know the context either but i agree with if you go after one you should go after the other comment- if its okay in music it shouldnt be that big of a deal in radio-
i think hes wrong for saying it but his public apology & suspension is good enough

[Pumchavas28]

Imus is in the wrong on this whole issue..... Just because someone else does or says something... doesn't make it right for him or others....

As a radio personality he should have known better & also been more aware of what he says especially with a microphone in front of him....

Just like Pro Athlete's are held to higher standards, so should Radio Personalities....

[Texags Refugee]

If the shock jock who said it was black would it still be an issue?

My answer, NO!

Therefore anything that one race can say freely that another race can not, is in itself, RACISM.

[Pumchavas28]

If the shock jock who said it was black would it still be an issue?

My answer, NO!

Therefore anything that one race can say freely that another race can not, is in itself, RACISM.


I haven't heard a "SHOCK JOCK" black or otherwise say anything like that....

Even James Washington (Former Cowboys/Deadskin) tries to be a sports Shock Jock & I haven't heard him say anything along those lines....


But again... even if some do use that kind of language... doesn't make it right....

[Mole]

Imus has been offensive on his radio show for 20 years. The real question is why are they choosing this paticular incident to make and example of him?

Secondly, why are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton call to account for the anti-semetic remarks they've made over the years?

[Pumchavas28]

Secondly, why are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton call to account for the anti-semetic remarks they've made over the years?

That is actually a very good question......

[BAGGIO]

i dont think anything he said was racist, sexist maybe. i just find the entire idea of al sharpton/jess jackson calling someone else a racist is laughable. this is just the over sensitive pc america we live in today. If word are said to degrade thats one thing(one things still covered in the bill of rights), but he said it as a joke, just like everyone tells racist jokes. All the two faced people who tell the jokes behind closed doors are the first to condemn the people who have the balls to speak their mind infront of an audience. If they fire imus I will lose even more respect for that network.

[Texags Refugee]

Pum,

I should have expanded on what I said a little more. I agree that it was the wrong thing to say. By no means am I defending him! As Mole states, its the amount of reaction and play this is getting in the news that ticks me off along with the unequal treatment of what some races can say and other cant.

just to be clear I dont think any race should be using these terms, along with other "popular" terms you hear from musicians.

[Pumchavas28]

i dont think anything he said was racist, sexist maybe. i just find the entire idea of al sharpton/jess jackson calling someone else a racist is laughable. this is just the over sensitive pc america we live in today. If word are said to degrade thats one thing(one things still covered in the bill of rights), but he said it as a joke, just like everyone tells racist jokes. All the two faced people who tell the jokes behind closed doors are the first to condemn the people who have the balls to speak their mind infront of an audience. If they fire imus I will lose even more respect for that network.


You still have respect for that network? :huh:

[polish]

I think its getting more attention because of this

Rappers/Comics - generalizes about groups (still bad)
Imus - Called out a team and those specific people have to have their lives changes by this due to media and whatever. People can understand and see how those people were effected if at all.

One death is a tragedy and a massacre is a statistic deal

[Pumchavas28]

Pum,

I should have expanded on what I said a little more. I agree that it was the wrong thing to say. By no means am I defending him! As Mole states, its the amount of reaction and play this is getting in the news that ticks me off along with the unequal treatment of what some races can say and other cant.

just to be clear I dont think any race should be using these terms, along with other "popular" terms you hear from musicians.


But Imus brought some of this attention on himself... he called into Sharptons radio show & did that whole speal on it... Had I been Imus I wouldn't have...

The only people he has to apologize to is the Rutgers Team & that's it..

[Texags Refugee]

Pum,

I thought he was invited to Sharpton's show. If he called in himself, then I agree he should have taken a vacation and let it die.

[BAGGIO]

i would back imus more if he had called sharpton a racist. why doesnt anyone say anything to the national association of always complaining people? If you call them out you are targeted and have a smear campaign run against you.

[Texags Refugee]

Also, what is up with the coach saying that when she heard those terms it drummed up visions of slaves on a auction block?

How the hell do you get that vision from those comments?

[Pumchavas28]

Also, what is up with the coach saying that when she heard those terms it drummed up visions of slaves on a auction block?

How the hell do you get that vision from those comments?


Because she's being a drama queen about it...

[Pumchavas28]

Pum,

I thought he was invited to Sharpton's show. If he called in himself, then I agree he should have taken a vacation and let it die.


He called in & Sharpton accepted the call......

[BAGGIO]

i cant go on any further with this discussion, im getting to angry.

[Curly06]

Also, what is up with the coach saying that when she heard those terms it drummed up visions of slaves on a auction block?

How the hell do you get that vision from those comments?

Thats a retarded comment she made, but i can understand why she would be upset he called her girls that- just apologize and move on

[Pumchavas28]

i cant go on any further with this discussion, im getting to angry.


Why? It's just a convo.... Nothing to get steemed about.... Want a breakfast taco? :cool:

[BAGGIO]

the slavery card will be played until the end of time. :bored: just remember the barak obama isnt black because hes from africa and not the decended from slaves which i guess it what maes you black according to these people.

[BAGGIO]

nah i didnt mean i was getting mad at posters on this bord, the whole concept of "racism" nowadays is insane.

[Texags Refugee]

Can anyone explain how either "nappy headed" or "hos" pertain to any particular race?

[BAGGIO]

exactly. its not a nice thing to say but there was no hate behind it.

[Pumchavas28]

nah i didnt mean i was getting mad at posters on this bord, the whole concept of "racism" nowadays is insane.


Agreed.... It bothers me some times as well... but eh... I just ignore it & carry on... Don't have time to worry about it....

Hell My daughters 5 best friends are from all over the world (Day Care on base)... which makes me happy... she'll grow up seeing everyone as equals...

Sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes I laugh at some convo's about racism.... Because they are pretty much all the same song & dance.... just a different party...

[polish]

Why? It's just a convo.... Nothing to get steemed about.... Want a breakfast taco? :cool:
wait breakfast taco

I'm really super pissed...yeah...so can I have chorizo and bean thanks :gig:

[BAGGIO]

obviously racism still exist, always will, but now in the united states (as far as the law is concerned) everyone is treated equal. so why do these groups exist? to call out private citizens with their own views? why didnt the naacp say anything when the white truck driver was pulled out and beaten in the la riots? why didnt they say anything when oj was aquitted for murder!? They only play their race card when it suits them and its makes me want to vomit. Calling themselves preachers and what not. I dont care the goup exists, it needs to for people like david duke and other situations lie that, but why must they pick stupid things to make a federal case over?

[BAGGIO]

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[Texags Refugee]

but why must they pick stupid things to make a federal case over?
Simple answer..............


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[polish]

naggers :gig:

[Curly06]

forget it

[BAGGIO]

because southpark already tackled this issue

[polish]

why would you post a pic like that?
because the answers is naggers aka people who annoy you.

If your a racist or someone who call racism on anything it shows

[Curly06]

because the answers is naggers aka people who annoy you.

If your a racist or someone who call racism on anything it shows

I have no clue what the heck naggers is- i asked a question- dont see how askin questions="If your a racist or someone who call racism on anything it shows"

[BAGGIO]

i say this once again. the guys who created southpark should be incharge of the country.

[polish]

I have no clue what the heck naggers is- i asked a question- dont see how askin questions="If your a racist or someone who call racism on anything it shows"
nag
v. nagged, nag·ging, nags
v.tr. 1. To annoy by constant scolding, complaining, or urging.
2. To torment persistently, as with anxiety or pain.

v.intr. 1. To scold, complain, or find fault constantly: nagging at the children.
2. To be a constant source of anxiety or annoyance: The half-remembered quotation nagged at my mind.

n. One who nags.

[Probably of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse gnaga, to bite, gnaw.]
naghttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifger n.
naghttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifging·ly adv.

[Curly06]

and if you go back and read you'll see i erased my questions once i was able to see the lil letters- and theres no edit on my comment

[Texags Refugee]

Back on topic. I thought we should see exactly who we are talking about....

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couple of questions......

Since he referred to the entire team, and there are 2 white girls on the team, how is it racist?

Also, does he have to apologize for his "racist comment" to the white girls as well?

[polish]

and if you go back and read you'll see i erased my questions once i was able to see the lil letters- and theres no edit on my comment

You said you didn't know what naggers was and I posted it. I simply helped you out when you didn't know the answer to a question. A simple thank would be enough, be on your way.

What the hell does you comment have to do with anything.

[BAGGIO]

what he said was nappy headed ho's, what he should of said is fugly, overreasting bitches

[polish]

Back on topic. I thought we should see exactly who we are talking about....

Since he referred to the entire team, and there are 2 white girls on the team, how is it racist?

Also, does he have to apologize for his "racist comment" to the white girls as well?

You can be racist to anybody. If he said they have nappy hair, tats, and are hos too, then yes apologize to them also

[BAGGIO]

:throwup:

[BAGGIO]

http://www.southparkzone.com/episode.php?vid=1101

the show is genious

[DCAggie]

Since he referred to the entire team, and there are 2 white girls on the team, how is it racist?

Also, does he have to apologize for his "racist comment" to the white girls as well?

From the extended version that I heard, he was comparing the two teams--Rutgers and UT. He said that the UT girls were feminine and the Rutgers girls were not (referring to their tattoos, etc). 4/5 starters for the Vols were black, and I think I only saw one other white girl come in off the bench for them that game (I don't think Rutgers played their white folks during the championship game).

So the context was the comparison. Saying that Rutgers players weren't feminine and good looking is definitely offensive. Maybe sexist, but not really racist.

So is the phrase "nappy-headed ho" racist? Or just offensive? Ho is definitely offensive, but I can't see how it's racist. Nappy-headed refers to kinky hair. Black people have coarser hair. But so do some white people. But then there's the cultural connotation.

Also, a friend said that he heard the word "jigaboo" in the conversation, but not from Imus. That's definitely racist, but I didn't hear it when I saw it on the news. If that was really in the broadcast, I would think that the media or the Reverends would bring that up.

[Dustin00whoop]

Imus should've just said, "Its okay, I'm taking it back!" (if you don't get it, watch Clerks II)

[jagowar]

http://www.scarletknights.com/basketball-women/roster/images/zurich_h.jpg

no nappy head there... not bad at all actually for rutgers.

[phatbc]

the whole thing is funny to me, because my brother used to say (when we were growing up) my hair was nappy when I would wake up some mornings. And we are white. Now, saying hos is definitely a bad term against women.

[The Massacre]

http://www.scarletknights.com/basketball-women/roster/images/zurich_h.jpg

no nappy head there... not bad at all actually for rutgers.

i'd hit it! :gig:

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holy sheeeit. :laugh:

[GregH]

My thoughts are this:

1) Imus is a blithering idiot
2) What he said was stupid and uncalled for IMHO
3) The ppl (Sharton and Rev Jackson) are the last ppl in the world that should calling for this guys head. With all the shyte those 2 have been in in the past
4) WTF happened to the 1st Ammendment? Granted the guy is an idiot, but did he physically hurt a single person?

[The Massacre]

isn't this guy a cracka ass fool? i haven't seen a pic of him.

[Pumchavas28]

Thought this was an interesting story from Jason Whitlock....



Jason Whitlock new column "Thank u Don Imus"

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html (http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html)


Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

[legelegel]

This box is for another's words outside the forum, too. :smart:

Pum, I like the way you did this quote. Is there an easier way to do it other than typing [quote] at the beginning and [/quote ] and end of it?

[Pumchavas28]

Don't know... I just click on the http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/images/editor/quote.gif icon & then paste whatever it is that I am quoting....

[DCAggie]

My thoughts are this:

14) WTF happened to the 1st Ammendment? Granted the guy is an idiot, but did he physically hurt a single person?

I'm pretty sure that it is still around and still has nothing to do with this situation.

[legelegel]

Don't know... I just click on the http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/images/editor/quote.gif icon & then paste whatever it is that I am quoting....

I remember seeing it now. Thanks. There I did. :D I'm sure it won't be the last time.

You helped me learn something for the day. :)

[Texags Refugee]

Next lesson.............."How to avoid the double post"

[phatbc]

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.
really good read by jason whitlock. i think he says what most of us think. imus is an idiot, but what he said was not going as far as most rappers or even shock-jock people like howard stern.

[Curly06]

:rep: to Pum's post (im not gonna quote all that)

[legelegel]

Next lesson.............."How to avoid the double post"

No, it's not a learning thing. It's a training thing.

:rep: for the post, the patience and the lesson. :)

[legelegel]

One death is a tragedy and a massacre is a statistic deal

I like that. Is it yours?

[Vlyrock]

Great article...spot on if you ask me.