Dilemmas Dilemmas

[Gravy]

For those who dislike Fran (if you answer anything, regardless of how or what you answer, you are stating that you dislike Fran):

If the only way to lose Fran was also to lose Billy, would you still choose to lose Fran?

[The Massacre]

sure.

now what is YOUR answer?

[Gravy]

I think I would keep Billy, and therefore have to keep Fran. My thinking being it would not be worth losing one seemingly proven coach (Billy), in order to get rid of one that may or may not eventually pan out (Fran).

[BOOZINB85]

Don't worry, Fran will be gone by the end of the year.
With a predicted 7-5 season, that's not gonna work. He's gone after this football season.

[The Massacre]

boozin: isn't that what your sources said before last season? :spy:

[TexAg77]

Wonder what all the Fran haters are going to be saying after we win the South this year?

[Thisjeffguy07]

Don't worry, Fran will be gone by the end of the year.
With a predicted 7-5 season, that's not gonna work. He's gone after this football season.

with fran improving on this team year in and year out it'll be fun watching us go 10-2... unless you're boozin of course... boozin will be back in waco cryin a river

[Pumchavas28]

boozin: isn't that what your sources said before last season? :spy:


They predicted the rapture last year also....



didn't happen either...

[Mezentius]

Pum dropped the rapture reference. That's tight.:rep:

[Mole]

Wonder what all the Fran haters are going to be saying after we win the South this year?


:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

I would love to see it happen but that is a tall order.

[TexAgFromCal]

For those that say it is worth keeping Fran because he will win the Big XII next year (or the next year, or the year after that.....). Do you think it was worth it to keep RC after the 6-6 '96 campaign in order to win the '98 Big XII championship and nothing else until he was finally let go?

By the way I don't have an answer for the question. I would probably not choose to let Gillispie go to get rid of Fran. But if Gillispie did go elsewhere, I would feel better if it meant fran leaving as well.

[Loftin]

Yes. The price is high, but Aggie Football is priority #1.

[Vlyrock]

I'd keep 'em both. Fran has not proven to be a bad hire. He went 9-3 last year in the regular season. We lost the 3 games by a total of 6 points. We lost the division title by 1 game (or 1 pt to OU)....

Sorry he couldn't deliver the MNC last year. I expect in 2 years when Gillispie loses in the Sweet 16 for the 3rd year in a row, we'll call for his head too.... :bored:

[Loftin]

I'd keep 'em both. Fran has not proven to be a bad hire. He went 9-3 last year in the regular season. We lost the 3 games by a total of 6 points. We lost the division title by 1 game (or 1 pt to OU)....

Sorry he couldn't deliver the MNC last year. I expect in 2 years when Gillispie loses in the Sweet 16 for the 3rd year in a row, we'll call for his head too.... :bored:

90% of coaches in America could have gone 11-1 with that same roster. It doesn't take a PhD in physics to know what J-Train is capable of.

[GSZ94]

:wow:

[Vlyrock]

It doesn't take a PhD in physics to know what J-Train is capable of.
Yeah, 2 plays on and 3 plays off....

[KCAggie]

This is a dumb question.

[Vlyrock]

90% of coaches in America could have gone 11-1 with that same roster. It doesn't take a PhD in physics to know what J-Train is capable of.

And considering only 13 schools in all of Div I football finished with better records than that...I'll have to call BS.

How can you expect a team with a QB that can't throw it 15 yards accurately (because of injury) to do better than that. Oh, that's right...just keep giving it to Mr. Goal Line. 3rd and 10 -- give it to LANE! :stupid:

[November Echo]

I'd keep 'em both. Fran has not proven to be a bad hire. He went 9-3 last year in the regular season. We lost the 3 games by a total of 6 points. We lost the division title by 1 game (or 1 pt to OU)....

Sorry he couldn't deliver the MNC last year. I expect in 2 years when Gillispie loses in the Sweet 16 for the 3rd year in a row, we'll call for his head too.... :bored:


I can't imagine any of us here would call for Gillispie's head if he took the basketball program to the Sweet 16 three years in a row............In fact, if anybody associated with Texas A&M did call for him to lose his job after three consecutive Sweet 16 appearances I couldn't blame a coach like Gillispie for leaving College Station for another job because that type of unrealistic expectations would be pretty silly.

Now, along the lines of what you're saying......... IF Fran had the football program in the nation's top 16 at the end of every year for three years in a row he'd be a lot more popular amongst Ags, but it hasn't happend once, yet, that I'm aware of.

I appreciate the enthusiasm some of you display regarding our upcoming season, but I am personally skeptical as to Fran's coaching ability [BUT would be happy to eat some serious crow if he proves me wrong by winning the Big 12].

:up:

[Gravy]

Just so that we all keep it nice and friendly on this thread, lets all remember that the guidelines stated:

"if you answer anything, regardless of how or what you answer, you are stating that you dislike Fran"

So, since all posters here have by doing so admitted this point, there is really no need to defend or attack on Fran's behalf. We are all on the same wavelength on that point, so really it comes down to at what cost would we want him gone. I think TexAgFromCal made a pretty good point with his last sentence.

[November Echo]

Just so that we all keep it nice and friendly on this thread, lets all remember that the guidelines stated:

"if you answer anything, regardless of how or what you answer, you are stating that you dislike Fran"

So, since all posters here have by doing so admitted this point, there is really no need to defend or attack on Fran's behalf. We are all on the same wavelength on that point, so really it comes down to at what cost would we want him gone. I think TexAgFromCal made a pretty good point with his last sentence.


Right on, brother. :gig:

[85swhorns46]

It's not like fran is a bad coach. He is recruiting pretty well this year too. I think he's one of those slow workers who gets the job done. now I may be wrong, but If I was A&M I wouldn't get rid of fran at the end of the year unless a big name coach was available.

[The Massacre]

Just so that we all keep it nice and friendly on this thread, lets all remember that the guidelines stated:

"if you answer anything, regardless of how or what you answer, you are stating that you dislike Fran"

So, since all posters here have by doing so admitted this point, there is really no need to defend or attack on Fran's behalf. We are all on the same wavelength on that point, so really it comes down to at what cost would we want him gone. I think TexAgFromCal made a pretty good point with his last sentence.

yep, let's can that fran. can that fran. can that fran.

[Dustin00whoop]

Just so you know, if we lose Gillespie, one of the reasons will be the constant bashing of Fran by a few. Two seperate sites have both been reporting that one of BCG's biggest concerns is fan support & after seeing the way some Ags treat the football coach after a 9-3 season he is skeptical that A&M is truly a "different" place.

GO ahead & pile on all you want. Your bashing doesn't hurt recruiting, it doesn't hurt the program, etc, but I'm just telling you what two different sites with access to the athletic department are saying. This won't change anything with you guys because you have to bitch about something, but I just figure I would pass on the info to everyone...at least now we know who to blame if we do lose Billy!

[Loftin]

CLASSIC!

Before you know it, Dustin will blame the 9/11 attacks on Aggies who don't "hold the rope."

[TexAgFromCal]

Just so you know, if we lose Gillespie, one of the reasons will be the constant bashing of Fran by a few. Two seperate sites have both been reporting that one of BCG's biggest concerns is fan support & after seeing the way some Ags treat the football coach after a 9-3 season he is skeptical that A&M is truly a "different" place.

GO ahead & pile on all you want. Your bashing doesn't hurt recruiting, it doesn't hurt the program, etc, but I'm just telling you what two different sites with access to the athletic department are saying. This won't change anything with you guys because you have to bitch about something, but I just figure I would pass on the info to everyone...at least now we know who to blame if we do lose Billy!

Do these two mysterious sites have actual quotes from BCG saying this or is this just conjecture?
I have a hard time with BCG being worried about fans being angry at him for losing games due to play calling. It isn't as though he can tell the team not to throw the ball to the guy standing underneath the basket because, "the other team would expect that."

For example, no fans are yelling at BCG for not giving the ball to Acie for last second shots.

[whitelightnin_23]

For example, no fans are yelling at BCG for not giving the ball to Acie for last second shots.


I think he explained that in the post-game press conference. I believe Acie was hit in the eye?

[Dustin00whoop]

Do these two mysterious sites have actual quotes from BCG saying this or is this just conjecture?
I have a hard time with BCG being worried about fans being angry at him for losing games due to play calling. It isn't as though he can tell the team not to throw the ball to the guy standing underneath the basket because, "the other team would expect that."

For example, no fans are yelling at BCG for not giving the ball to Acie for last second shots.

They aren't mysterious sites. Pay the money & you can read exactly what I do. I'm sure there are others on here that I have read the exact same thing that I have.

[Loftin]

Billy Gillispie's only complaints about A&M have been non-conference attendence. We fix that, pay him, and upgrade facilities, he'll be in Aggieland for a long time.

[Mole]

They aren't mysterious sites. Pay the money & you can read exactly what I do. I'm sure there are others on here that I have read the exact same thing that I have.

Then what sites are they?

[Dustin00whoop]

texags & agtimes

[TexAgFromCal]

I think he explained that in the post-game press conference. I believe Acie was hit in the eye?


My point is that he is smart enough to give it to the guy that has consistantly been a performer in those situations throughout the season.

And when he does that and it doesn't work out, nobody is yelling at him for it.

[TexAgFromCal]

They aren't mysterious sites. Pay the money & you can read exactly what I do. I'm sure there are others on here that I have read the exact same thing that I have.


Thanks for answering the question which was:
"Do these two mysterious sites have actual quotes from BCG saying this or is this just conjecture?"

So these are websites and not actual direct quotes from reputable print or video media of BCG. Therefore it is conjecture from these sites.

[Loftin]

texags & agtimes

If I pay $100 to TexAgs and post on the Members Forum, does that make me a credible source?

[Vlyrock]

My point is that he is smart enough to give it to the guy that has consistantly been a performer in those situations throughout the season.

And when he does that and it doesn't work out, nobody is yelling at him for it.
Kirk? Hardly the guy I want shooting the ball from half court in the Sweet 16...but hey, Gillispie's the man and no reason to complain about his coaching. ;)

[Dustin00whoop]

If I pay $100 to TexAgs and post on the Members Forum, does that make me a credible source?

Uh, I'm not talking about the people that pay. I'm talking about the people that operate the site....big difference.

[TexAgFromCal]

Kirk? Hardly the guy I want shooting the ball from half court in the Sweet 16...but hey, Gillispie's the man and no reason to complain about his coaching. ;)

Do you really think that was the call, for kirk to take a half court shot? And even if it was the call have you heard anyone complaining about it?:huh: No, because the fans obviously trust him enough to make the right call. Fran had made the same mistake from a fans perspective multiple times jsut last season. It isn't as if Fran was loved up to the OU game then eveybody jumped on him. It had been building.

I haven't heard a single complaint about BCG's coaching since he arrived.

[Loftin]

Kirk? Hardly the guy I want shooting the ball from half court in the Sweet 16...but hey, Gillispie's the man and no reason to complain about his coaching. ;)

Kirk was the backup option. Law was covered, and couldn't get open.

[Gravy]

Just so you know, if we lose Gillespie, one of the reasons will be the constant bashing of Fran by a few. Two seperate sites have both been reporting that one of BCG's biggest concerns is fan support & after seeing the way some Ags treat the football coach after a 9-3 season he is skeptical that A&M is truly a "different" place.

GO ahead & pile on all you want. Your bashing doesn't hurt recruiting, it doesn't hurt the program, etc, but I'm just telling you what two different sites with access to the athletic department are saying. This won't change anything with you guys because you have to bitch about something, but I just figure I would pass on the info to everyone...at least now we know who to blame if we do lose Billy!


Wow...this really sucks! I can hear it from Billy now! "Screw you and all your millions A&M! If you all don't love and believe in your football coach, then I am outta here! Now granted, I am okay with the fact that you got rid of your prior football coach because you just needed a change, and I am okay with you getting rid of your baseball coach for whatever reason that was, but all this banter about getting rid of your current football coach, yep, that is the reason I must leave." :laugh:

[TexAgFromCal]

Gravy nailed it on the head. He knows all:bow:

[Vlyrock]

Kirk was the backup option. Law was covered, and couldn't get open.
Sort of like Bennett being the first option and McGee not throwing it to him, but everybody yells at Fran when the pass is incomplete. Yeah, I can totally see the difference. ;)

[TexAgFromCal]

No, that would be like having lane be the first option but he fell down, therefore the McGee had to improvise.

[Loftin]

Sort of like Bennett being the first option and McGee not throwing it to him, but everybody yells at Fran when the pass is incomplete. Yeah, I can totally see the difference. ;)

In a goalline situation, there is no option. Give the ball to the big man.

[GSZ94]

No, no, no!

It's like being down 6 points and deciding to kick a field goal! :laugh:

....couldn't resist :o

[Mole]

No, no, no!

It's like being down 6 points and deciding to kick a field goal! :laugh:

....couldn't resist :o

Or being 3rd and 2 on the 2 and running a play action pass!!

...I tried to stop myself but I just couldn't.:o