Texans find a way to get crappier

[Pflugerville Ag]

Just when I thought that the absense of Casserly would help the Texans make some good offseason moves and draft choices, I stand corrected.

It appears that they are going to trade away their 2nd round draft pick for Matt Shuab (Atlanta's backup QB). Why the hell would you get rid of a 2nd round pick only to get another backup QB? This makes no sense. They have so many needs and now they lose their 2nd pick? Who the hell is making these decisions for them?

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10078226

[Mole]

It gets better. They are swaping first round picks this year with Atlanta and giving Atlanta their second round pick this year AND next.

They are on the radio right now spinning this into a good thing.

We are picking another defensive end in the first round I know it.

[Pflugerville Ag]

I just got off the phone with Dustin talking about it. Dustin thinks that it is a wonderful deal and is excited about it. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think that it is worth a ****. They better find a way to get rid of Carr now b/c they are giving up way too much for a freaking back up QB.

[whitelightnin_23]

so isn't this just a commitment to Matt Schaub that he will be QB1?

[Mole]

If Schaub is as good as people are saying he is then it's a good trade. I am reserving judgement until the season starts. I haven't seen him play.

[Pflugerville Ag]

so isn't this just a commitment to Matt Schaub that he will be QB1?

You would think so, assuming they can get rid of Carr, but I'm not sure that is a guarantee. They might have to keep Carr for another year and then try and get rid of him. If they can get rid of Carr this year, then I might be okay with this trade (since they might have taken Quinn with their first round pick). If they have both Carr and Shaub on their roster this year, then I'll be pissed.

[whitelightnin_23]

I say Shaub is QB1 & they trade Carr for an O-lineman or a 2nd-3rd round pick.

[BOOZINB85]

What is it with you guys running down the Texans all the time? Christ, you bunch of fair weather fans.

[The Massacre]

well fwiw, everything i have seen says that Atlanta thinks this Shuab kid is a bad mofo qb. course they could be sayin that to trade him for something good. :laugh:

[Pflugerville Ag]

What is it with you guys running down the Texans all the time? Christ, you bunch of fair weather fans.

They have an awful coach, then can't recruit like the cowboys, they lose all their big games. Hold on, I turned into Boozin for second there. That was unpleasant! :)

[The Massacre]

What is it with you guys running down the Texans all the time? Christ, you bunch of fair weather fans.

is this a joke? :spy:


oh and by the way, to be a fair weather fan, wouldn't they have had to be good at some point in time?

[BOOZINB85]

is this a joke? :spy:


oh and by the way, to be a fair weather fan, wouldn't they have had to be good at some point in time?


Of course this is a joke, and regarding the second statement, when have the Aggies been good under Fran? I mean seriously, all our losses were at HOME!!!!

[WesTxAg]

is this a joke? :spy:


oh and by the way, to be a fair weather fan, wouldn't they have had to be good at some point in time?
no, your avatar is--LMAO:laugh:

[BOOZINB85]

They have an awful coach, then can't recruit like the cowboys, they lose all their big games. Hold on, I turned into Boozin for second there. That was unpleasant! :)


Kubiak, is a former student, and is a hell of a coach. He got there and the shelves were bare, besides it takes more than just a year to rebuild a team. What do you all think this is basketball???



Holy ****, I sound like an Aggiefan Koolaid drinker.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[House Divided RV]

I think this would be a stupid move. The Texans need PLAYERS and giving up two very high picks for a really, unproven QB is not a good move. They would be fine letting Sage play for a year or two and draft defense and maybe a stud WR or RB. Hell, they could get a decent QB in the 2nd or 3rd round this year and still come out ahead.

DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!!!

[Pumchavas28]

I guess the Aggie Head Coach in Houston isn't all that good too... :laugh:

[BOOZINB85]

I think this would be a stupid move. The Texans need PLAYERS and giving up two very high picks for a really, unproven QB is not a good move. They would be fine letting Sage play for a year or two and draft defense and maybe a stud WR or RB. Hell, they could get a decent QB in the 2nd or 3rd round this year and still come out ahead.

DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!!!


This Schaub is highly touted and the experts really like this guy. I think that this is a good move, it makes the Texasns much better automatically, plus they can focus on drafting offensive linemen, plus there is still that chance to get Adrian Peterson.
This is a bad year for quarterbacks.

[House Divided RV]

Let's see, they need the following, I believe:

SS
FS
CB
another LB or so
DL help
OL Help
long-term RB option
QB
WR

Humm, that sounds like basically 2/3 of the team they need to fill and sending away a 1st and 2nd or 3rd to get one of these listed is not a good move IMO.
They have a viable option for the short-term in Sage so let's look elsewhere for help. ACQUIRE DRAFT PICKS NOT GIVE THEM AWAY!!!

[Pflugerville Ag]

They won't get Peterson (even though I would love if they did). Peterson won't be around at #8.

[WesTxAg]

honestly, i don't even think this is a good move for atlanta...new coach who hasn't even made it to spring camp with vick??? i know he's an offensive genius, but given the recent history of some college coaches, why isn't he using shaub as insurance for the "coach killer"??

[The Massacre]

it might be good if they don't get AP. would suck for them to see another top pick of theirs go down the crapper if he got hurt (which he has shown a tendency to do)

[House Divided RV]

I thought we had to give up our first round draft pick this year??? If so, no AD! If they are just going the trade option as long as it doesn't require giving up more than 1 draft pick (and not the 1st round), I am totally for it.

[Pflugerville Ag]

Houston will not lose its first round pick. They will flip flop with Atlanta. So, instead of picking #8, we now pick #10. Plus, we lose our 2nd round pick.

[Pumchavas28]

If the Texans wanted to Trade Carr... they should have traded him for 2 or 3 more picks to help fill those holes...

[House Divided RV]

If they are after AD, I would say no but if they are not, then the #10 would not be that bad. You could still get a pretty good defensive player out of it at 10.

[House Divided RV]

I just have a bad feeling about this trade. Just doesn't sit right for reason. I kind of hope it doesn't go through personally. Kind of like that feeling that Dustin would suck in Fantasy Football last year and that one was correct. :D

[BOOZINB85]

If the Texans wanted to Trade Carr... they should have traded him for 2 or 3 more picks to help fill those holes...

They are saying you may get a 3rd round draft pick for Carr, the Franchonie of pro quarterbacks.:D

[Dustin00whoop]

I love the trade. I haven't heard anyone reporting anything about flip-flopping 1st round picks with Atl. All I've heard is that we are trading "a probable 2nd round pick for Shaub." They'll get rid of Carr to a team that was thinking of drafting Quinn. This hurts Quinn worse than anybody...unless someone trades up to take him. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for the Texans. They'll make one or two more big moves before draft day.

[WesTxAg]

Quinn=last year's Leinart

[zrf2002]

geez.... all this talk and no link?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2807051

and to end the speculation about the draft picks for compensation:

When the trade is completed, Atlanta and Houston will flip-flop first-round picks in April's draft, and Atlanta will receive Houston's second-round picks in 2007 and 2008. The deal likely will be completed later Wednesday afternoon. Houston has the No. 8 pick in the first round of the draft, while Atlanta is slotted 10th.

a little info on schaub:



Despite starting only two games in three seasons and winning neither of them, Schaub is highly regarded around the NFL. The former Virginia standout, a third-round pick by Atlanta in 2004, has completed 84 of 161 passes for 1,033 yards, with six touchdown passes and six interceptions.
Schaub was a restricted free agent this spring and the Falcons made him the highest qualifying offer possible, at $2.3 million. That qualifying offer meant that, had another team signed Schaub to an offer sheet, and Atlanta not matched it, the Falcons would have received first- and third-round draft choices as compensation.

[Superaggie79]

I didn't read the thread but the good thing about Shaub is that he's a fresh face and he's not gun shy from playing behind a terrible offensive line the last 4 years. Maybe he'll be able to step in and do something. I don't think he can do any worse.

[Dustin00whoop]

That might be giving up a little too much, but I'd rather have Schaub over Carr or Quinn. Sometimes you have to overpay to get yourself into a better situation.

[House Divided RV]

Whoa...two 2nd round picks??? Man, I don't know about this. Unless we can get like a 3rd for Carr, I don't like this.

[House Divided RV]

Well, I guess I know what I will be listening to on 610 and 790 in Houston driving home.

*sigh* It will be tough to get anything for Carr because now everyone knows (like they didn't already) Carr will be moving on out.

[polish]

I like getting schaub, put two second rounders is stiff. I could see flipping one two and giving one two

[WesTxAg]

just announced it on nfl live...talking about it right now

[Loftin]

Wasn't Schaub expected to start this year if Jim Mora were still coach in Atlanta? I know there was at least a controversy when things started getting bad last year with Vick.

This could turn out to be a great upgrade at an important position, or we may have just sacrificed draft picks for another Carr.

[House Divided RV]

*SIGH* I sure hope Kubiak is smarter than I think with this trade.

[Dustin00whoop]

*SIGH* I sure hope Kubiak is smarter than I think with this trade.


Well, he is smarter than you.....but that isn't saying much. ;)

[Pflugerville Ag]

I sure hope Houston already has a deal in the works to get rid of Carr in exchange for a couple of draft picks to offset what they just lost. They gave up way too much to get this guy.

[WesTxAg]

I sure hope Houston already has a deal in the works to get rid of Carr in exchange for a couple of draft picks to offset what they just lost. They gave up way too much to get this guy.
tru dat, tru dat

[Loftin]

*SIGH* I sure hope Kubiak is smarter than I think with this trade.

I HATED the trade the Rockets made last year for Shane Battier, and it turned out to be a great deal. I'll reserve judgment until I see how this pans out.

[House Divided RV]

Yeah, I guess he is smarter since he is making quite a bit more a year than I and he gets "free tickets" to Texans games. :bow:

[Superaggie79]

Wasn't Schaub expected to start this year if Jim Mora were still coach in Atlanta? I know there was at least a controversy when things started getting bad last year with Vick.

This could turn out to be a great upgrade at an important position, or we may have just sacrificed draft picks for another Carr.

No Mora was giving complete control to vick and then if he fell on his face Schaub was getting his shot.

[blackgloves]

Guys this is a TERRIBLE move. As per EPSN its more than one pick. "Atlanta will receive Houston's second-round picks in 2007 and 2008." Picks and is PLURAL! And getting a QB thats not proven along with given up the 2nd overall pick this year?

This is hilarious!! (im a cowboy fan)

[Dustin00whoop]

How are they giving up the 2nd overall pick?

[blackgloves]

How are they giving up the 2nd overall pick?


Whatever pick they are giving up in the 1st round they are swapping for a worse pick

I thought it was 2nd over all but whatever the case is, this is a TERRIBLE move

[Dustin00whoop]

Lets not forget one of the other times the Falcons traded a back-up QB...he was a kid from Mississippi named Brett Favre!

[House Divided RV]

Ah and Dustin the sunshine seller is at it again. :D

[Dustin00whoop]

It is a good point....no one in GB was stoked about that trade! :D

[WesTxAg]

that's a stretch

[Gravy]

I love the trade. I haven't heard anyone reporting anything about flip-flopping 1st round picks with Atl. All I've heard is that we are trading "a probable 2nd round pick for Shaub." They'll get rid of Carr to a team that was thinking of drafting Quinn. This hurts Quinn worse than anybody...unless someone trades up to take him. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for the Texans. They'll make one or two more big moves before draft day.


CRAP! Dustin also loves Fran......Texans are now doomed indefinitely. I wish Dustin would become a Cowboy lover so that a Houston football team could be successful. :sad:

[Dustin00whoop]

I also love Gillispie & playing poker against you....so we're back to 50/50.

[Gravy]

Well of course you love playing poker against me....I take your money with a smile and friendly attitude! Now your wife....I can't compete!

[Dustin00whoop]

Funny, that wasn't the case the last time we played. :wow:

[Pflugerville Ag]

Here is what Houston needs to do to make this thing work. There are two teams that have two late first round picks (New England and Chicago). Trade your 10th pick to one of those teams for either both of their late 1st round picks or one of their first and their second round pic. They can still pick up some good talent by picking in the 30's instead of 10. That way, they don't lose a draft pick this year.

Not sure which they should draft in each round, but on the first day (assuming they will have three picks), they need a WR, a OL, and a stud DL.

[Dustin00whoop]

PUt down the pipe NOW!

[Pumchavas28]

This will all be put down to rest next year when the TEXANS travel to Atlanta to play the Falcons..

http://www.atlantafalcons.com/gameday/futureSkeds.jsp

That's right... Matt will get a shot at the Falcons next year & by that point in time, we'll know if this was a good move or not....

[Pflugerville Ag]

PUt down the pipe NOW!

Me? Why? What part of my post did you disagree with?

[Pflugerville Ag]

Man, Houston better know what they are doing. They just gave Schaub (who has never won a game as a starter) a $48M contract over 6 years. If this guy is a bust, then Houston will be in the crapper for years to come. Don't forget that they also gave Carr $8M last year to reinstate three years on his contract.

[The Massacre]

so are the Texans getting rid of Carr as a starter? i don't keep up.

[Pflugerville Ag]

so are the Texans getting rid of Carr as a starter? i don't keep up.

Yes, they are now. They will hopefully trade him before the season starts for a draft pick or two. If they can't, then they might keep him as a backup next year, but that won't go over well.

[zrf2002]

why would they keep him as a backup? if they do that, they will have too much money invested and an extra roster spot taken up that the qb position. if they keep him, their cap hit is around $6 mill. if they cant trade him, they will release him and only have a cap hit of $2 mill.

[PinetarAg]

I would compare the Texans trading for Shaub like when Seattle traded for Hasselbeck. Too good to be a back up and need a chance to play somewhere and be the man. I'm excited about it, I think they gave up a little much with the 2 2nd round picks (one would have been fine with me). I think in a few years this will be looked at as a good deal for the texans

[soreal]

First of all this reminds me of a past Falcons trade of a qb who has done nothing. I think you might know him... Brett Favre. He had done nothing in Atlanta and Holmgren and Ron Wolf saw something that a lot of people didn't and traded for him. Everyone thought they were out of their minds and early on it looked like it but we all know how that turned out. I just hope the same happens for us.

I am iffy on the trade. I don't mind trading two second round picks for him, but I don't know about switching our 8th for their 10th. I personally wanted us to get Landry at 8th and that was even a stretch. I think the chances of him being at 10 are very slim. Some say the skins will get him at 6, vikes at 7 and now they are saying the falcons will get him at 8. If the falcons get him I will be very pissed but if he goes before then at least I can say to myself that we weren't going to get landry anyway. We better get something for Carr though and not just waive him.

[blackgloves]

I don't mind trading two second round picks for him


:bored: Like they said today on ESPN. A 2nd rounder in the NFL is like a 1st rounder in the NBA.

TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE.... no matter how you spin it

[soreal]

:bored: Like they said today on ESPN. A 2nd rounder in the NFL is like a 1st rounder in the NBA.

TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE.... no matter how you spin it

If he ends up anything like Favre, then i can live with losing the two 2nd round picks. I love ESPN but everything they say are isn't pure gold. That is just a opinion until they have something concrete, that's all it is to me.

i agree with Loftin, lets see how it pans out. I hated the trade that the Rockets made but looking back now, it doesn't look bad at all.

[Gravy]

Funny, that wasn't the case the last time we played. :wow:

You have a short memory Fran junior. I walked away way up. If you took money, it was not mine.

[House Divided RV]

No it was mine! :sad:

[blackgloves]

If he ends up anything like Favre, then i can live with losing the two 2nd round picks. I love ESPN but everything they say are isn't pure gold. That is just a opinion until they have something concrete, that's all it is to me.

i agree with Loftin, lets see how it pans out. I hated the trade that the Rockets made but looking back now, it doesn't look bad at all.

agree let it pan out, but what Im saying is the odds aren't good and it appears to be another Texan move

[House Divided RV]

All I know is 2 second rounders is tough to swallow. That could have been 2 good Defensive players we need. I just hope Kubiak is right.

[soreal]

:bored: Like they said today on ESPN. A 2nd rounder in the NFL is like a 1st rounder in the NBA.

TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE.... no matter how you spin it

That quote came from Greg Anthony on Cold Pizza who is a NBA analyst. So to me his opinion doesn't mean much unless it's talking about the NBA or basketball in general.

[Pflugerville Ag]

Well, if Schaub fails this year, I think its safe to say that Kubiak might not be the coach in 2008.

[PinetarAg]

Well, if Schaub fails this year, I think its safe to say that Kubiak might not be the coach in 2008.

This will be Schaub's first year as a starter and in a new system....You have to give a coach more than 2 years especially when its the Texans and they are starting with very little.

[Pflugerville Ag]

They will have to show some improvement. Kubiak supposedly made the call to keep Carr and not draft a QB last year. That backfired and has cost the Texans a lot of money. If Schaub does not perform well (or at least show signs of performing well in the future), he might get fired. I don't think that he should, but he could.

[PinetarAg]

I think it was more Casserly that REALLY REALLY wanted Williams and Kubiak wanted to see what he could do with Carr, I don't think anything was wrong with that or should be placed on Kubiak.....The titans were/are better team than the Texans...VY would not have been rookie of the year with the Texans...he would still need a little time to create on his own which the texans oline would not have given him.

I'm not saying Williams was the best choice I think Bush was.... but I think not drafting VY was the right choice

[Pflugerville Ag]

I agree. VY would have gotten killed last year in Houston. The had to go with Bush. I am curious to see what another QB will do next year instead of Carr. I have always been a Carr fan (and still am). I think he will be a very good NFL QB, but just needs a fresh start.

[WesTxAg]

they traded him yet?

[PinetarAg]

I agree. VY would have gotten killed last year in Houston. The had to go with Bush. I am curious to see what another QB will do next year instead of Carr. I have always been a Carr fan (and still am). I think he will be a very good NFL QB, but just needs a fresh start.

agreed, I would like to see him succced...it just won't be in Houston

[Pflugerville Ag]

they traded him yet?

Not yet. Rumors that Minnesota, Miami, and Oakland are interested, but nothing definite.

[soreal]

They will have to show some improvement. Kubiak supposedly made the call to keep Carr and not draft a QB last year. That backfired and has cost the Texans a lot of money. If Schaub does not perform well (or at least show signs of performing well in the future), he might get fired. I don't think that he should, but he could.

They say it was Kubiak's call but I think it was more of a group decision. McNair wanted Carr to stay and I think Gary thought it would be easier to bring Carr along in his system than get a free agent qb or draft one and have to bring them along. I think Carr will do fine somewhere else, he just has a bad past here with all the bad lines he has had the past five years. I'm mad that we couldn't trade for him, even if it is for a 5th or 6th round pick. Anything is better than nothing. We will just have to wait and see what the front office has in store

[Mole]

Carr got released yesterday. So he is a free agent now.

[pearland aggie93]

We relsed willaims and carr

[soreal]

Carr will be on a team within a week

[Pflugerville Ag]

Carr got released yesterday. So he is a free agent now.

That sucks. By getting Schaub before getting rid of Carr, no team was willing go give us anything for him. They should have at least given him up for a late round draft pick before making that trade.

[Pumchavas28]

They say it was Kubiak's call but I think it was more of a group decision. McNair wanted Carr to stay and I think Gary thought it would be easier to bring Carr along in his system than get a free agent qb or draft one and have to bring them along. I think Carr will do fine somewhere else, he just has a bad past here with all the bad lines he has had the past five years. I'm mad that we couldn't trade for him, even if it is for a 5th or 6th round pick. Anything is better than nothing. We will just have to wait and see what the front office has in store


Maybe Kubiak saw what kind of QB A&M is producing for the future (McGee, JJ & so on) & is just freeing up a future roster spot.... ;)

[TomballAg]

Carr will be on a team within a week

Carr will be a backup somewhere

VY would not have gotten killed here. He is too mobile. Carr got killed because he can't read a defense and holds on to the ball too damn long.

[zrf2002]

heard on the radio a couple days ago that carr is now thinking that he may not play football again. if that is true, that shows a lot about his desire to play in the nfl and his leadership abilities. although, who can blame the guy, he just made $35 Mill the last 5 years. if he is smarter with his $$$$ than he is as a qb, he can live off of that money for a very loooooooong time.