30 hours with the ps3

[CoolaidWade]

Wow. What a joke.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.html?_r=3&ref=technology&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

So they have been bragging about thier blue ray dvd for all this time and don't even give you the proper hiDef cables to hook it up? That just sucks. And why is it so complicated to get going? When I bought my 360, the total time of hooking it up from opening up the box to playing Call of Duty 2 was about 5 minutes.

Not to mention there are reports of them overheating in a few hours and fizzing out.

xbox 360 all the way.

[macduff93]

I feel especially bad for the fools who paid thousands of dollars on e-bay just to have one NOW.

The Wii is getting rave reviews and there should be more in stores by Friday. Looks like Nintendo Corp. is going to have a very good last quarter.

[CoolaidWade]

Yeah, I have 0 sympathy for them if they get a lemon and paid 2k. Everybody knows after the holidays there will be plenty on the shelf. If you can't wait 2 months to save 1500 bucks on the same product then I guess money doesn't mean much to you.

And if Sony rushed this thing out with a bunch of bugs there truly will be plenty to chose from.

It took me six months to buy a 360. Four months to wait to actually get one and then another 2 to justify dropping 400 bucks. Well worth it.

[Loftin]

What a disappointment. The PS2 was such an affordable, easy-to-use and popular system. PS3 will kill Sony's console market.

[macduff93]

I'll bet the European gamers are laughing their arses off for being jealous that their release date was canceled.

[TwelfthAG]

Kinda nice to see the American company doing better than the foregin company :)

[Loftin]

Kinda nice to see the American company doing better than the foregin company :)

I remember nerds boycotting XBOX when it first came out. Microsoft was the "evil empire" that they hated so much.

[CoolaidWade]

What a disappointment. The PS2 was such an affordable, easy-to-use and popular system. PS3 will kill Sony's console market.


Your'e right but I'm sure Playstation will win the console war because name brand and brand loyalty will pull them through.

Although from initial reports it seems like Microsoft can use a bunch of this against Sony in marketing the 360. The Xbox appears to be MUCH easier and user friendly for a system which is just slightly less powerful.

I think Microsoft has a shot to not let the PS3 have the commanding lead in sales Sony seems to think they get. Or instead of a 70/30 split it might be a 60/40 split Sony's way. Which would probably make microsoft very happy.

[jagowar]

Honestly sony's biggest problem is their arrogance.... Microsoft seems to really listen and give the consumers what they want (those that want the higher end gaming systems)... the wii is being marketed to a different demographic but the ps3 and 360 are more or less going after the same people. And right now are getting absolutely trounced.

MS will have a ton of exclusive games next year which should keep them with their healthy lead software wise. And making the hd-dvd addon separate was one of the smartest things ms has done because it allowed their system to get a full year headstart and a 7 mil console headstart and gave a choice to the consumers that wanted the hd-dvd could get one.

I for one am really leaning towards not getting a ps3 for some time (and a few price drops most likely because there simply wont be very many good games for the ps3 that I cant play on my 360 for a pretty long while). And it was more than hard enough to justify 400 bucks (and that was the max i was going to spend on a 360). the cheapeast ps3 is 500 and im not going to pay that much.

Sony has too much invested in the ps3 to completly lose this generation and I think they will ultimately sell more consoles but their reign dominating the console market is over. The original xbox sold about 30 million consoles with the ps2 selling 100 million. This time the 360 will sell atleast 50 million (and they have a pretty good chance to sell more)

[Loftin]

I seriously hope Blu-Ray disc is a bust. I hope everyone keeps buying normal DVDs for the next 15 years.

[TexAgFromCal]

I seriously hope Blu-Ray disc is a bust. I hope everyone keeps buying normal DVDs for the next 15 years.

That would be great, but the choice isn't going to be regular or blu-ray, it is going to be blu-ray or another HD version called HD-DVD.

[TwelfthAG]

I've always wondered, what's the difference between blu-ray and hd-dvd?

[TexAgFromCal]

similar to the difference between VHS and Beta-Max

[TwelfthAG]

That was before my time :)

[TexAgFromCal]

They both have the same features but are not compatible. Sony came up with the blu-ray standard with one group of companies and another group came out with the HD-DVD standard. They use different lasers to achieve the same goal of fitting significantly more information on the same size disc.

[TwelfthAG]

Ah, so it doesn't really matter. Just don't buy too early or you may be screwed in a few years.

[Burnetaggie99]

I'll wait about 6 months to a year before I buy one that way the kinks get worked out and the price might drop down. I'll just keep playing games online with my Ps2.

[jagowar]

yeah... basically the dvd forum came up with hd-dvd (the people who created the dvd hence hd-dvd being able to use the dvd name) and bluray was pissed so they created their own bluray and offered the movie companies extra copy protection (so bluray has 2 types of copy protection to hd-dvd's one). so bluray has more "industry" support because of that but the early sales figures have hd-dvd far outselling bluray (because the initial quality on hd-dvd is superior to bluray) but that will likely even out some as all hd-dvd discs are using a new type of compression which rocks and most bluray discs are using the 10yr old compression mpeg2 (but thanks to hd-dvd looking better they are being forced to upgrade their authoring studios early to mpeg4/vc1).

Bluray does have an advantage of capacity (25 gigs per layer on the discs to hd-dvd's 15 gigs but all hd-dvd discs are dual layer and a majority of bluray discs are single layer for now with the intention to go to dual layer eventually some movies are in dual layer now but to combat this hd-dvd is working on 3 layer discs so both should have a sufficient future capacity wise). But much like the ps3 bluray was forced to market befre they were ready thanks to their competition being out earlier so it will be interesting to see how they fight back.

Actually both bluray and hd-dvd use blue lasers to get more data per disc than regular dvd.

All ps3's come with a bluray drive and to combat that ms has a hd-dvd addon for the 360 that sells for 200 bucks and includes king kong and a remote. the ps3 comes with ricky bobby but no remote (and one of the flaws with the ps3 no ir port so you can configure it into your universal remotes... only bluetooth which they plan on releasing their own remote next year but you still cant use a universal remote until they start supporting bluray). Thats another thing I like aboout my 360 is how I can use my Harmony 880 remote to control everything so I was going to sell the remote that comes with my hd-dvd as I dont need it.

[TwelfthAG]

Could this end up like the DVD-RW vs. DVD+RW war where eventually they just made devices that could use both types of disc?

[jagowar]

thats one very real possibility.... ultimately i think both will survive like + and - dvd discs (and like dvd-a and sacd). (dvd audio and super audio cd)

but since i can get a hd-dvd drive for 200 bucks (for my 360) thats a no brainer for me since the standalone hd-dvd players are 500 bucks and bluray players run 700-1500 (the ps3 is the cheapest bluray player at 500/600)

[CaliHornia]

I seem to recall similar bug issues with the Xbox 360's initial release. And the PS2 before that.

By the next round the problems will be largely cleared up.

The Instapundit had an interesting blurb on this, btw, it appears that most of the PS3 problems being reported are very sketchy. Sketchy as in reported by fans of the XBox.

[jagowar]

some of them are likely bogus but ive seen numerious videos on youtube/google video with crashing ps3's (and its pretty hard to fake a video)

[jagowar]

speaking of hd-dvd/bluray I picked up my hd-dvd addon (for the 360) today.... hd-dvd rocks. It works suprisingly well for being an addon and looks exceptional.

If you have a 360 and want a cheap way into the next gen movie formats the 360 addon is the way to go.