Mich stays at #2 in BCS

[PinetarAg]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2668566

[Loftin]

If USC beats Notre Dame and UCLA, that might inch them ahead of Michigan.

[PinetarAg]

doubt it

[bobcatfan06]

Yeah it will. They are only thousandths of a point behind Michigan.

[PinetarAg]

but every other poll has Michigan at 2 besides the USAToday.....I think when it is all said and done Michigan will stay at 2

who knows could get blow up all together (if Ark destroys florida, etc.)

[Pumchavas28]

A rematch would be horrible.....

If the Season is in fact supposed to be the playoff for this stupid BCS system, then 2 teams from the same Conference shouldn't play each other for the Title....

That would be like the 92 Cowboys playing the 49ers in the Super Bowl just because it would have been better than them playing Buffalo.

Seriously.... Mich vs OSU again would suck.... OSU is by far the better team.... it took 3 OSU turnovers 2 of which were self inflicted, to keep Mich in the game..... take those away & that game is over before the 4th quarter.

[CaliHornia]

Ugh.

I love that most commentators that have a problem with the BCS are, with their AP votes, creating those problem. Good thing the BCS doesn't use the AP poll anymore. It will be interesting to see what the Harris Poll does.

My view on this is that the idea of a poll based playoff system is total nonsense. The only kind of playoff that will ever work is a conference based playoff. And, in a way, we've got that.

Michigan lost. If you can't win your conference you shouldn't have a shot at the national title. And you shouldn't even get a shot in the "playoffs" if we ever have them. The idea of who the "best teams" are has to give way to who wins and loses when and where it matters.

Michigan tied for second in their conference. That should keep them out of the national title picture.

[Pumchavas28]

Ugh.

I love that most commentators that have a problem with the BCS are, with their AP votes, creating those problem. Good thing the BCS doesn't use the AP poll anymore. It will be interesting to see what the Harris Poll does.

My view on this is that the idea of a poll based playoff system is total nonsense. The only kind of playoff that will ever work is a conference based playoff. And, in a way, we've got that.

Michigan lost. If you can't win your conference you shouldn't have a shot at the national title. And you shouldn't even get a shot in the "playoffs" if we ever have them. The idea of who the "best teams" are has to give way to who wins and loses when and where it matters.

Michigan tied for second in their conference. That should keep them out of the national title picture.


I agree....

Personally... I don't like rankings.. but if they were something kept around for God knows what reason... I would like the playoffs to be done similar to the way D-1AA does theirs, but only 4, 6, or 8 teams.... No more....

[PinetarAg]

but in a playoff system the game on sat. would not be the game it was....those teams would have been locked into a playoff already and we may have seen some players rested not playing the whole game....in the bcs every game potentially impacts the NC....with that said I would like playoff some how if it can keep the regualr season the same intentisy.....some thing else would have to be done to ensure that

[CaliHornia]

but in a playoff system the game on sat. would not be the game it was....those teams would have been locked into a playoff already and we may have seen some players rested not playing the whole game....in the bcs every game potentially impacts the NC....with that said I would like playoff some how if it can keep the regualr season the same intentisy.....some thing else would have to be done to ensure that

The only way to do that is make that a winner take all game--in other words, no at large bids for playoff spots for non-conference winners. Period. Doesn't matter if you lose by one on their field.

My problem with that is that it gives teams no incentive to schedule games like Texas-tOSU.

I think the BCS needs to be tweaked a little, but I still think the idea behind it is the only way to work college football.

[Pumchavas28]

but in a playoff system the game on sat. would not be the game it was....those teams would have been locked into a playoff already and we may have seen some players rested not playing the whole game....in the bcs every game potentially impacts the NC....with that said I would like playoff some how if it can keep the regualr season the same intentisy.....some thing else would have to be done to ensure that

How would they not put the same effort....

They would have been playing for a spot in the Playoffs while the lose would be left to play a regular Bowl game...

If there were 8 teams looking to get in....

OSU & USC right now would be the only 2 teams in.... 6 more spots would still be left with about 15 teams trying to get 1 of those 6 & with teams looking to play the spoiler, no one in this last week coming up can take it easy.

[Slotback]

The BCS is proof positive that a playoff system is needed.

[Pumchavas28]

The only way to do that is make that a winner take all game--in other words, no at large bids for playoff spots for non-conference winners. Period. Doesn't matter if you lose by one on their field.

My problem with that is that it gives teams no incentive to schedule games like Texas-tOSU.

I think the BCS needs to be tweaked a little, but I still think the idea behind it is the only way to work college football.


I would like Strength of Schedule be a factor or they stop letting schools schedule D-1AA schools.

[CaliHornia]

How would they not put the same effort....

They would have been playing for a spot in the Playoffs while the lose would be left to play a regular Bowl game...

If there were 8 teams looking to get in....

OSU & USC right now would be the only 2 teams in.... 6 more spots would still be left with about 15 teams trying to get 1 of those 6 & with teams looking to play the spoiler, no one in this last week coming up can take it easy.

That depends. Do it by rank and odds are that Michigan stays in the top 8.

[Pumchavas28]

That depends. Do it by rank and odds are that Michigan stays in the top 8.


Then top 6.... and the Top 2 teams get a week off....

[CaliHornia]

Then top 6.... and the Top 2 teams get a week off....

Still don't like it.

Why should you get a chance at a national title when you get even when your regular season conference title?

How much more decided on the field can it get?

This is the problem I have with playoffs--it's not ultimately about deciding it on the field. It becomes about playing and playing until somebody wins just because everyone else has to lose. Allowing a non-conference champ in is just giving a mulligan. And that's ultimately what the playoffs will be.

tOSU shouldn't have to beat Michigan twice to prove they're better. Home field or not, that was Michigan's chance. That's the way the cookie crumbled this year.

[Pumchavas28]

Still don't like it.

Why should you get a chance at a national title when you get even when your regular season conference title?

How much more decided on the field can it get?

This is the problem I have with playoffs--it's not ultimately about deciding it on the field. It becomes about playing and playing until somebody wins just because everyone else has to lose. Allowing a non-conference champ in is just giving a mulligan. And that's ultimately what the playoffs will be.

tOSU shouldn't have to beat Michigan twice to prove they're better. Home field or not, that was Michigan's chance. That's the way the cookie crumbled this year.


True, but the problem we are staring down the barrel of is 6 or 7 teams with only 1 loss... and only 1 of them gets to play OSU for the Chip... None of these 1 loss teams excet USC & Arkansas played each other.... Other than VOTERS who are biased, who is to say which team deserves to play OSU?

I think you get what I am trying to get at....

Yes there will be a year or 2 where there is only 2 teams undefeated at seasons end... but right now.... Ever conference except for the Big 12 right now, is looking to finish with a 1 loss team.... Why should of any of those Champs be left out?

It's not GA Tech's fault Miami & FSU fell off.... It's not anyone in the Big East's fault that no one wanted to play them....

[CaliHornia]

True, but the problem we are staring down the barrel of is 6 or 7 teams with only 1 loss... and only 1 of them gets to play OSU for the Chip... None of these 1 loss teams excet USC & Arkansas played each other.... Other than VOTERS who are biased, who is to say which team deserves to play OSU?

I think you get what I am trying to get at....

Yes there will be a year or 2 where there is only 2 teams undefeated at seasons end... but right now.... Ever conference except for the Big 12 right now, is looking to finish with a 1 loss team.... Why should of any of those Champs be left out?

It's not GA Tech's fault Miami & FSU fell off.... It's not anyone in the Big East's fault that no one wanted to play them....

I think this season it pretty much only comes down to USC and Florida.

Those are the ONLY two teams with any kind of legitimate case to make right now.

And both of them still have some of their biggest games yet to play.

If both of them loses, then it sets it up for more questioning, but right now Louisville, WVU, Arkansas, Rutgers, Michigan, and Wisconsin can pretty well be eliminated from the discussion, I think, pretty logically.

Think about how the playoffs would work. Right now, here is the BCS top 25:

1.Ohio State (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/oob) 2.Michigan (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/mmk) 3.USC (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/uub) 4.Florida (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/ffa) 5.Notre Dame (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/nnx) 6.Arkansas (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/aan) 7.West Virginia (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/wwh) 8.Wisconsin (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/wwo) 9.Louisville (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/llh) 10.LSU (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/lli) 11.Boise State (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/bbe) 12.Auburn (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/aar) 13.Texas (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/tth) 14.Rutgers (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/rrd) 15.Oklahoma (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/ooc) 16.Georgia Tech (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/ggc) 17.Virginia Tech (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/vvd) 18.Boston College (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/bbf) 19.California (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/ccd) 20.Tennessee (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/ttd) 21.Wake Forest (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/wwa) 22.Nebraska (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/nnd) 23.Brigham Young (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/bbi) 24.Clemson (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/ccl) 25.Penn State (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/ppb)

Why is WVU playing for the title over Louisville? Over Rutgers?

No Big 12 team gets to play for the title?! WVU had that much better season than Texas or OU had (assuming either were to win)?

No ACC Team either?

You're talking about 3 Big Ten teams in the playoffs. That's nuts.

[Pumchavas28]

Playoffs are never 100% perfect, but like you said... no one votes on anything & it is settled on the field... case in point Pittsburgh last year in the SB.... the equivalent of Pitt in the College World this season would be a Big 12 team or a Big East or ACC team.... OSU, USC or Florida would fit the roles of Indy, New England & Seattle last year...

But in College, with seriously weak out of conference schedules all around the table... Many believe a 2 loss tu team is better than 1 loss WVU team, this is how to prove it.... Many believe a 1 loss SEC team is better than anyone, this is how to prove it... Many believe a PAC 10 team wouldn't have the defense to handle a playoff, this is how to prove it.

The BCS has had it's shot & using the regular season as a playoff hasn't worked consistently, THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO....

If Playoffs keep every Pro Sport & all other Collegiate Sports happy, why not include D-1A.... other than the obvious $$$$$$ issue.

[CaliHornia]

Playoffs are never 100% perfect, but like you said... no one votes on anything & it is settled on the field... case in point Pittsburgh last year in the SB.... the equivalent of Pitt in the College World this season would be a Big 12 team or a Big East or ACC team.... OSU, USC or Florida would fit the roles of Indy, New England & Seattle last year...

How so? You keep talking about "top 8". That's voting...

But in College, with seriously weak out of conference schedules all around the table... Many believe a 2 loss tu team is better than 1 loss WVU team, this is how to prove it.... Many believe a 1 loss SEC team is better than anyone, this is how to prove it... Many believe a PAC 10 team wouldn't have the defense to handle a playoff, this is how to prove it.

And under a poll based playoff system--the ONLY kind of playoff system anyone talks about--none of that is going to happen.

You do it with the polls, and the ACC and the Big 12 are going to have legitimate gripes.

You do it with conference champions and Michigan will wonder why they're sitting out while a 2 loss Big 12 team plays for it.

How do you settle that on the field?

The only reason playoffs look attractive right now is because everyone is picking apart the BCS. No one is really thinking critically about what's going to happen at the end of the first playoff season when multiple teams are sitting home.

All I'm saying is, magnify the bitching that goes on around NCAA tourney time by about 1000. Because a team like Michigan will go from #2 in the country to nothing. Or a big 12 conference winner will go from conference champion to nothing. That is not going to be pretty.

[Pumchavas28]

All I'm saying is, magnify the bitching that goes on around NCAA tourney time by about 1000. Because a team like Michigan will go from #2 in the country to nothing. Or a big 12 conference winner will go from conference champion to nothing. That is not going to be pretty.


I am not saying there wont be bitching.... but you wont see anyone complain anymore than you see people complain with the other playoff systems....

And I have said 4, 6, or 8... never just 8.....

But it is obvious the only reason we use the BCS system is purely for the $$$$ reason... no other....

[CaliHornia]

I am not saying there wont be bitching.... but you wont see anyone complain anymore than you see people complain with the other playoff systems....

I don't think that's true at all.

Look, under system 1, a poll based system, the Big 12 champ goes from a BCS bowl with a big payout and nice exposure, a nice trip for the fans and a game against a good team to...nothing whatsoever. Nothing at all. Nothing.

You don't know complaining until you've seen what happens there. You like tradition? You're talking about absolutely ending a tradition that would give a college football team with what most would consider a great season nothing to play for at the end.

System 2--the number 2 ranked team in the country goes from a possible Rose Bowl berth to nothing. No game at all of any importance.

That's not going to go over well.

Especially at a school like Michigan.

All of this because something that we've lived with for a century of college football has all of a sudden become completely unimportant.

And I have said 4, 6, or 8... never just 8.....

How would 4 or 6 be any better?

But it is obvious the only reason we use the BCS system is purely for the $$$$ reason... no other....

Everyone always talks about how much money playoffs would make...I just don't think that's end.

I think, at the end of the day, that people asking for the playoffs haven't really thought about what they're going to get.

[GregH]

I think there deserves to be a rematch for the NC with Mich and OSU. I still OSU in the big game.

[Pflugerville Ag]

6 conference champions + 2 at large teams. Its as simple as that.

[Vlyrock]

If Michigan is truly the second best team in the nation, they should go.

It shouldn't matter that the #1 team is from your conference. So basically, "Michigan, you're screwed. Even though you're the second best team in the nation, we're going to give #3 a shot because it happened to be that #1 was in your conference."

Remember, Texas was on a collision course to have a rematch and they went and choked it away. Would you really say (Calihornia) that Texas didn't deserve a shot because they couldn't win during the regular season?

[PinetarAg]

6 conference champions + 2 at large teams. Its as simple as that.

so the winner/loser of michigan/osu without a doubt would be an at large team and one would be a confeence champ....but they are both guaranteed to be in the playoff......so the point is that game would not mean as much as it did.....there is no way to get around that...i'm sure teams would give up a conference championship if it meant a better shot at winning the NC (i.e. resting players, conservative game planning, etc.).

[Pumchavas28]

So if Michigan beats em this time... then what? They are 1-1 against each other in back to back games.....

[PinetarAg]

depending on how the game goes they can spilt it becasue the AP does not have to vote with the BCS....if ohio st. gets blown out or is never really in the game Michigan would get it....but if it was close like the last game they could split it.....I don't see whats wrong with that.

the only thing i don't like about splitting the NC is when the teams never got to face each other in this case they would be equal.

or you could always have the play again 2 out 3 ;)

[Pumchavas28]

I have a question....

Why is it all the other #2 ranked teams that lost, dropped, but Michigan doesn't?

Now that they lost to tOSU, the only good win they have is over ND, who themselves haven't beat anyone except Georgia Tech.....

So why does Michigan get to stay at #2?

[Pflugerville Ag]

I have a question....

Why is it all the other #2 ranked teams that lost, dropped, but Michigan doesn't?

Now that they lost to tOSU, the only good win they have is over ND, who themselves haven't beat anyone except Georgia Tech.....

So why does Michigan get to stay at #2?

Why...just look at the top 5 teams with one loss. Michigan's loss is the "best" loss of any team.

Michigan: loss was very close, on the road, against the unanimous #1 team in the country

USC: loss was on the road against a very mediocre Oregon St. team

Florida: loss was on the road against an overrated Auburn

Notre Dame: loss was an ass kicking at home to Michigan

Arkansas: loss was an ass kicking at home to USC

[PinetarAg]

Why...just look at the top 5 teams with one loss. Michigan's loss is the "best" loss of any team.

Michigan: loss was very close, on the road, against the unanimous #1 team in the country

USC: loss was on the road against a very mediocre Oregon St. team

Florida: loss was on the road against an overrated Auburn

Notre Dame: loss was an ass kicking at home to Michigan

Arkansas: loss was an ass kicking at home to USC

exactly

[CaliHornia]

If Michigan is truly the second best team in the nation, they should go.

It shouldn't matter that the #1 team is from your conference. So basically, "Michigan, you're screwed. Even though you're the second best team in the nation, we're going to give #3 a shot because it happened to be that #1 was in your conference."

Remember, Texas was on a collision course to have a rematch and they went and choked it away. Would you really say (Calihornia) that Texas didn't deserve a shot because they couldn't win during the regular season?

It's a different situation--the only way we'd get that shot is if we won our conference.

The reason why I have a problem with Michigan getting a second shot is that they aren't even the winners of their own conference. The national championship game shouldn't be a big ten playoff game. If they want that, have a ccg like everyone else does.

[BigJohn]

Like vly said, you shouldn't be punished just because only other team in the whole country who is better than you is in your conference. And if the Michigan/tOSU game was early in the season, people wouldnt' have any problem seeing these two match up again.

[CaliHornia]

Like vly said, you shouldn't be punished just because only other team in the whole country who is better than you is in your conference. And if the Michigan/tOSU game was early in the season, people wouldnt' have any problem seeing these two match up again.

Yes, you absolutely should be. You've got no right playing to be the best team in the country if you already aren't the best team in your conference.

One must follow the other.

Having a national champion that didn't win their conference is illogical.

[GregH]

I think Michigan deserves the shot in the NC. Actually I could care friggin less, at least the sips will not be there!!! WHOOP!!!!!!!

[KCAggie]

Yes, you absolutely should be. You've got no right playing to be the best team in the country if you already aren't the best team in your conference.

One must follow the other.

Having a national champion that didn't win their conference is illogical.

Yet that scenario fell into place two years ago when OU played for the national championship without winning the big 12.

[CaliHornia]

Yet that scenario fell into place two years ago when OU played for the national championship without winning the big 12.

I disagreed with it then, too.

If you can't win your conference, you can't play for the national title. How can you be the best team in the country when you're not even the best team out of the 12 teams in your conference.

I think that's one tweak the BCS needs to use.

[KCAggie]

I honestly do not like the BCS. I would rather we go back to the old system where a computer is not deciding who plays in the national championship game. I know it will never happen, but just combine the AP and ESPN into one freaking poll and have #1 and #2 duke it out.