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TwelfthAG

11-19-2006, 01:23 PM

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/big12/stories/MYSA111906.03C.COL.FBColiver.aggies.256d59b.html

If he can't win this week in Austin, falling to 2-11 in November, 4-17 against Top 25 teams, 1-14 against Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas Tech and archrival Texas, it will be time to work up another blueprint for the future.

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The partisan crowds of 80,000 plus, an ocean of maroon surrounding him, poured down waves of boos. The significance of that? Aggies don't boo Aggies, a tradition almost as dear as Reveille and The Dixie Chicken.

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If A&M wanted to invest more than $2 million a year for moral victories, it might do better to expand the campus' All-Faith Chapel.

phatbc

11-19-2006, 01:44 PM

I just realized if we lose, we will be 4-4 in b12, so actually it won't be his best season here, because you can't count the extra cream puff game we picked up. Damn Fran...although maybe its koenning that is causing the most probs?

macduff93

11-19-2006, 01:50 PM

I've not been happy with a great many the O calls at all, so I tend to agree with you. Our D adjusts very well in the games, but the O seems to stay the course, although it seemed better during the Neb game, the overall objective was not fulfilled.

90AG

11-19-2006, 03:15 PM

It just occurred to me what a boost the new coach would have over what Fran came in with after RC. The new coach would LOOK like Stoops becasue the team is on the lip of the cup of being really good as it is...regardless of how good the new coach actually was...

GregH

11-19-2006, 04:06 PM

GSZ94

11-19-2006, 06:35 PM

90AG

11-19-2006, 09:30 PM

Yep, properly utilizing inherited talent could do that! :laugh:

Just for the record, GSZ...are you one of those types that wants A&M to be bad so that you can back up your "Get rid of Fran" agenda? Did you actually go to A&M?

Just wondering...

Superaggie79

11-19-2006, 10:21 PM

GSZ94

11-19-2006, 10:24 PM

Just for the record, GSZ...are you one of those types that wants A&M to be bad so that you can back up your "Get rid of Fran" agenda?

My love for Texas A&M outweighs my disgust of fran's job performance.

Also, I do not ever recall saying that I want us to be bad. In contrast, I stated that "I'd love to beat the 'sips 94-0" on a different thread.

Did you actually go to A&M?

You get :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: for this one, tough guy!

I graduated from Texas A&M in 1994. Never accepting mediocrity was the most important thing I was ever taught there.

For you to even question this makes me believe you went to Florida A&M and got lost on the internet! :mad:

Just wondering...

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GSZ94

11-19-2006, 10:26 PM

No one wants the team to do bad... I think most want to see a move much like Nebraska made showing that mediocre is not acceptable. The difference is we wouldn't be changing an entire concept that the team has revolved around for years and years

Right on! :rep:

Please don't find my spread of rep offensive. I wouldn't want 90Ag or Pum to believe that we are the same person! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The Massacre

11-19-2006, 10:29 PM

No one wants the team to do bad... I think most want to see a move much like Nebraska made showing that mediocre is not acceptable. The difference is we wouldn't be changing an entire concept that the team has revolved around for years and years

a new coach would change the entire concept that team has revovled around for several years, more than likely.

Superaggie79

11-19-2006, 10:35 PM

a new coach would change the entire concept that team has revovled around for several years, more than likely.
We have not been running the spread option for half a century and the entire state from which we recruit from that runs the exact same offense to get their kids on the team. And we have the athletes that we can do whatever we want which can be seen as our offense currently has no identity as it is.

GSZ94

11-19-2006, 10:36 PM

a new coach would change the entire concept that team has revovled around for several years, more than likely.

In theory, how do you see this? (not a flame...)

Slotback

11-19-2006, 10:57 PM

A new coach brings in his own systems. But Fran desperately needs a signature win. A win on Friday would be big for him and the program.

November Echo

11-19-2006, 11:04 PM

Just for the record, GSZ...are you one of those types that wants A&M to be bad so that you can back up your "Get rid of Fran" agenda? Did you actually go to A&M?

Just wondering...

I'd just like to point out the fact that some of the most loyal Fran supporters (which I am not), on this site have no affiliation with Texas A&M, whatsoever.

Which brings me to question, since I used to love John Mackovich when he was the headcoach at t.u. and we beat him like a drum, the real motivation of those who so adamantly defend Fran and want to see him stay as long as possible.

Pumchavas28

11-19-2006, 11:14 PM

I'd just like to point out the fact that some of the most loyal Fran supporters (which I am not), on this site have no affiliation with Texas A&M, whatsoever.

I'd like to point out that Fran bashers (which I am not), on this site have never really done anything serious about what bothers them....

But so you know... The Majority of those on here defending Fran, don't do it because we support him, we do it because we support the team... many of us including myself have voiced displeasure, we just choose to get over things instead of dwell on them on web site, or bring up the same thing 1,000 times over & over again.

Superaggie79

11-19-2006, 11:17 PM

I'd like to point out that Fran bashers (which I am not), on this site have never really done anything serious about what bothers them....

But so you know... The Majority of those on here defending Fran, don't do it because we support him, we do it because we support the team... many of us including myself have voiced displeasure, we just choose to get over things instead of dwell on them on web site, or bring up the same thing 1,000 times over & over again.
wanting a new coach to many of us means we want what is best for the team too

GSZ94

11-19-2006, 11:17 PM

I'd just like to point out the fact that some of the most loyal Fran supporters (which I am not), on this site have no affiliation with Texas A&M, whatsoever.

Which brings me to question, since I used to love John Mackovich when he was the headcoach at t.u. and we beat him like a drum, the real motivation of those who so adamantly defend Fran and want to see him stay as long as possible.

Rep :rep: to you, November! Be warned: By giving you rep, 90AG and Pum might think we are the same person. They already think that Gravy and I are! :crazy:

Pumchavas28

11-19-2006, 11:30 PM

wanting a new coach to many of us means we want what is best for the team too

Well after next season I could be right there with you... but like I have said.... 5 years is what I think is enough time for a Coach to get a team to 10 wins in a 12 game schedule... anything less than 10 wins next season, regardless of road schedule, & Fran would be gone if I was AD....

But BB said 6 seasons... so even 9 wins next year could keep Fran around for that 6th year... which I myself would not agree with....

While I agree that progress is going slow.... barring serious injuries next year... It's hard to argue that our team does look very promising next season. We have 9 or more wins going into T+1 next season & we could have a shot at the Big 12 Chip.

I know some don't like to see those types of things.... BUt that is just how I see it... Nothing positive about Fran, I am talking about the team as a whole....

If BB Switches after this year, fine, if he doesn't, fine.... I live with what I got.... And what A&M has right now, is Fran.

November Echo

11-19-2006, 11:37 PM

Rep :rep: to you, November! Be warned: By giving you rep, 90AG and Pum might think we are the same person. They already think that Gravy and I are! :crazy:

Because, they are so amazed at why any Aggie wouldn't be happy with just baby-step improvements in the program. They were way too young to appreciate the "Wreckin' Crew" and how the Aggies dominated conference opponents.

What I don't understand is the constant desire to hush anyone who has different opinions on what's better for the team.

I guess, GSZ, we too, were taught not to question "authority" as young Aggies and opposed all who did. We just grew out of it.

The Massacre

11-20-2006, 02:25 AM

Because, they are so amazed at why any Aggie wouldn't be happy with just baby-step improvements in the program. They were way too young to appreciate the "Wreckin' Crew" and how the Aggies dominated conference opponents.

What I don't understand is the constant desire to hush anyone who has different opinions on what's better for the team.

I guess, GSZ, we too, were taught not to question "authority" as young Aggies and opposed all who did. We just grew out of it.

i would like to respond to this comment since i have had some negative things to say towards people on here calling for our coach's head before the season's end.

i am not trying to hush the voice of those calling for Coach Fran's head right now. i AM trying to express the fact that only 3-4 threads stating your view is necessary to get the point across to the members and viewers of this board. there is not really any reason for 10,000 threads and 100,000 posts saying that you want Fran fired. i DO believe you should go start a petition or send a letter to the university to express your opinion.

the member and viewers of AF.com KNOW who wants to get rid of Fran right now. there is no need to keep brining up the same facts and records justifying your opinion.

Superaggie79

11-20-2006, 08:35 AM

I'm going to bet there aren't 10,000 threads on the subject, and if you don't want to read it then start a different thread to talk about.

90AG

11-20-2006, 09:53 AM

Because, they are so amazed at why any Aggie wouldn't be happy with just baby-step improvements in the program. They were way too young to appreciate the "Wreckin' Crew" and how the Aggies dominated conference opponents.

What I don't understand is the constant desire to hush anyone who has different opinions on what's better for the team.

I guess, GSZ, we too, were taught not to question "authority" as young Aggies and opposed all who did. We just grew out of it.

No amazement...not happy with the fact that we have a horrible record in Novemeber...appreciate the fact that you acknowledge that we have a young team...dont desire to "hush" anyone....dont understand the "authority" comment...glad we dont live in China....

Here's the issue in a nutshell...

Some of you think that Fran should go NOW and passionately make the arguement, even to the point of changing user names when banned to get back on to continue blazing the trail...

Some think that Fran should get another year and equally as passionately defend that...

For the record and for those of you that bashed me over and over last night for being a supporter, I'll post again...I dont know him, like him, dilike him, want him fired, want him kept...I want to wait until the end of season and evaluate then versus now..

I advocated the two post idea, one positive and one negative for those that wanted to keep on discussing it....as for me....I'm out....

November Echo

11-20-2006, 11:16 AM

I don't have a problem with the two post idea. But how are you going to keep the Fran supporters from hijacking the positive thread of people that just want a better coach to improve our program?

The Massacre

11-20-2006, 01:54 PM

I'm going to bet there aren't 10,000 threads on the subject, and if you don't want to read it then start a different thread to talk about.

you know what. y'all keep firing away with the fire fran stuff on here, i'm sure it is making an impact on the decision of the athletic director, A&M and the former students. keep up the good work!

November Echo

11-20-2006, 01:59 PM

you know what. y'all keep firing away with the fire fran stuff on here, i'm sure it is making an impact on the decision of the athletic director, A&M and the former students. keep up the good work!

Not once have I said anything about firing Fran. I'm sure he'll get "reassigned" in the program for the duration of his contract, just like RC was.
I, along with others, just want someone better to be the head coach. Nothing personal against Fran.

And, by the way, most of us who want a better coach are former students who have watched the A&M football program for a long time.

The Massacre

11-20-2006, 02:20 PM

Not once have I said anything about firing Fran.

well then, i guess this post wasn't aimed at you.

I'm sure he'll get "reassigned" in the program for the duration of his contract, just like RC was.
I, along with others, just want someone better to be the head coach. Nothing personal against Fran.

who said anything about personal? just that you want Fran to be gone.

And, by the way, most of us who want a better coach are former students who have watched the A&M football program for a long time.

are you trying to imply that i, or others who are giving Fran until the end of the season, do not fit into this category?

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whitelightnin_23

11-20-2006, 02:21 PM

Lloooouuudd Noises!!!

November Echo

11-20-2006, 02:23 PM

you know what. y'all keep firing away with the fire fran stuff on here, i'm sure it is making an impact on the decision of the athletic director, A&M and the former students. keep up the good work!

Your words, mister.

And, if you and others want to give Fran more time, that's your opinion. I, and others, just happen to disagree. We want a better coach for the program.

Superaggie79

11-20-2006, 02:25 PM

http://thecherryblossoms.com/photos/john.jpg

The Massacre

11-20-2006, 02:28 PM

Your words, mister.

And, if you and others want to give Fran more time, that's your opinion. I, and others, just happen to disagree. We want a better coach for the program.

i meant the former students that are the big money guys that have a say in the decision to fire him probably. sorry i wasn't more specifc, mister.

i KNOW you happen to disagree.