A different coaching staff question .... [Archive]

GSZ94

11-16-2006, 08:01 PM

This is not meant to be a flame!

Fran took heat for defense last season. The result was Torbush out and Darnell in.

the following season......

Fran takes heat for offense and special teams. If or when he is back next year, could anyone forsee another change?

Thoughts.......

TexAgFromCal

11-16-2006, 08:10 PM

I would hate to see another change of coordinators. We played that game for several years with RC and had no results. Back then, it was as if, Slocum was sacrificing coordinators for his job.

Gravy

11-16-2006, 08:10 PM

Our pass defense was last in the NCAA last year, you almost have to make a change there just to protect your own a$$. I don't know what our offense is ranked, but I bet it is pretty high. I don't see any coaching staff changes coming due to Fran replacing them.....there could be some by people willingly leaving of course.

In fact, all those in love with Fran should probably be using that as an arguement....if Fran is really bad for the program, they should be jumping ship like rats before they are identified with him. I assume they have not really been doing that so that speaks somewhat in his favor.

AustinAG07

11-16-2006, 08:10 PM

I don't know. The defense was TERRIBLE for all three of Fran's first three years. The offense has looked good for a lot of the time that this staff has been here. People forget that we are playing with a sophomore quarterback who will only get better.

That being said, our offensive playcalling has bee very frustrating at times over the past few years. I would not be too angry if any changes were made. They seemed to work on D.

Burnetaggie99

11-16-2006, 08:16 PM

Fran calls the plays he ties Les hands behind his back. I wish he would let Les call the plays with Fran having some imput. Les likes to throw the ball more down field.

Farmers Fight

11-16-2006, 09:31 PM

Back then, it was as if, Slocum was sacrificing coordinators for his job.
He was sacrificing coordinators to save his job, just like Fran did to Torbush.

Only think, he really is the offensive corrdinator. So he needs to fire himself.

Dustin00whoop

11-16-2006, 10:08 PM

He was sacrificing coordinators to save his job, just like Fran did to Torbush.

Only think, he really is the offensive corrdinator. So he needs to fire himself.

Slocum wasn't sacrificing coordinators. He was losing them to the NFL & other college programs because coordinators at A&M were so grotesquely underpaid under Groff.

Pumchavas28

11-16-2006, 10:34 PM

It won't happen... As mentioned above... we were last in Pass Defense... it was needed.... Our Offense is among the best. Next year SHOULD, key word SHOULD, see the Offense improve in Passing & RUSHING.... that's right... rushing... despite averaging 200 yds on the ground 2 years in a row.

GregH

11-17-2006, 06:37 AM

Fran calls the plays he ties Les hands behind his back. I wish he would let Les call the plays with Fran having some imput. Les likes to throw the ball more down field.

That's what pssies me off about Fran.

Mezentius

11-17-2006, 08:27 AM

I know we want to throw the ball downfield but given who are starting recievers are I don't think that's going to happen.

Schroeder...he's the only deep threat out of the starting two recievers. Is it me or is a little less rocket fast since the injury. On the flip side he seems to be running better routes.

Riley....folks the kid has decent hands and is great on slants and such but fast he ain't. Yes he could take all of us in the 40 but we're all fat and out of shape or at least I am.

The safety I would imagine (free safety) probably just rolls to Schroeder's side.

Remember that deep routes work best if you are playing against man. We operate one of the most effective spread option schemes in college football. It is rare that we get that man coverage as the D coordinator is not going to have his safeties/cb's turn their backs on the qb/rb's.

When we insert Franks/Morrow it's obvious they are going to go deep at least 1/3 of the time so you just play off them which lowers your odds of getting behind anyone.

The point is that I simply don't think we have the starting personell to go deep against what is consistently a two deep zone look all day.

Can we next year? probably more effectively with a healthier McGee and less of a possession reciever look if that makes any sense?

MarylandAG

11-17-2006, 08:54 AM

they need to really look hard at the special teams coach! I'm just saying...........

Dustin00whoop

11-17-2006, 09:02 AM

they need to really look hard at the special teams coach! I'm just saying...........

What exactly about the special teams coach are you upset with...from this season?

We are one of the top teams in the nation in kickoff returns. We are one of the tops in the conference in kickoff coverage. We have one of the best punters in the conference & he is only a sophomore. We are consistently covering kicks inside the 20 or kicking out of the endzone. Yes, we struggle on punt returns, but we have learned to secure the ball--thats improvement from when he first came in. We've had some trouble on FGs, but nothing worth firing a coach over--if anything most of that blame can be placed on the deep snapper. Lets not forget, we are breaking in a new deep snapper this year. And, Tommerdahl is one of our best recruiters.

Dustin00whoop

11-17-2006, 09:05 AM

Pflugerville Ag

11-17-2006, 09:40 AM

Slocum wasn't sacrificing coordinators. He was losing them to the NFL & other college programs because coordinators at A&M were so grotesquely underpaid under Groff.

Good point Dustin. Just look at how many of our coordinators from the last few years under Slocum have big time gigs now.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 09:41 AM

Does that mean they had a good mentor?

Pflugerville Ag

11-17-2006, 09:42 AM

Does that mean they had a good mentor?

Yeah, just like the players did. Slocum was great at developing players and coaches for the next level, but had trouble getting them to achieve their goals as a team. Just look at how many people we were sending to the NFL from mediocre teams.

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 10:11 AM

Yeah, just like the players did. Slocum was great at developing players and coaches for the next level, but had trouble getting them to achieve their goals as a team. Just look at how many people we were sending to the NFL from mediocre teams.

Very Good Point!

:rep:

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 10:17 AM

How is that a good point? He developed players into NFL caliber athletes. His flaw seems to be motivation but saying it's a good point that he developed athletes makes no sense.

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 10:24 AM

YOu love to read what you want & ignore what you want...

He developed NFL type players, but still produced mediocre teams.....

That in it of itself is a good point.... But then again... I am sure all you read was

He developed NFL type players, ***************************......

whitelightnin_23

11-17-2006, 10:26 AM

he doesn't have time to type complete sentences...how do you expect him to read for comprehension? ;)

Pflugerville Ag

11-17-2006, 10:26 AM

How is that a good point? He developed players into NFL caliber athletes. His flaw seems to be motivation but saying it's a good point that he developed athletes makes no sense.

I'm confused. What don't you understand?

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 10:27 AM

I'm confused. What don't you understand?

Quite a bit when he's not playing devil's advocate or if he's not the one making the point.....

Dustin00whoop

11-17-2006, 10:49 AM

Man, I've got the chump on Ignore & I still can't get away from his ignorance. Any chance you can go play in the middle of Highway 6, SA?

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 10:50 AM

Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 10:57 AM

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 11:00 AM

I guess by you having to go back to 98' pretty much proves the point of mediocre teams.....

Pflugerville Ag

11-17-2006, 11:01 AM

Yeah that team in '98 was as mediocre as they come

Ironic that you pointed that out, considering we only had 2 players drafted that year!

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 11:02 AM

Ironic that you pointed that out, considering we only had 2 players drafted that year!

What was it that SA said the other day.....

BURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You just got owned by a toddler!

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 11:02 AM

I guess by you having to go back to 98' pretty much proves the point of mediocre teams.....
And how far back do you have to go to find when Dennis finished higher than 3rd in the Big 12?

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 11:03 AM

Ironic that you pointed that out, considering we only had 2 players drafted that year!
How many did we have drafted last year?

Pflugerville Ag

11-17-2006, 11:04 AM

I'm not even going to waste my time on posting the specifics. Just got to the A&M athletics website, football, history, and then look at who was drafted when and see how those teams performed. It will save me from embarrassing you with facts.

Pflugerville Ag

11-17-2006, 11:05 AM

How many did we have drafted last year?

Interesting that last year's seniors were all recruited by Slocum.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 11:06 AM

Look at most good collegiate teams in history. Great college players don't necessarily mean NFL players ex: Nebraska.... however I'm just having y'all argue in circles just to pass the time.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 11:06 AM

Interesting that last year's seniors were all recruited by Slocum.
It's about development.

Pflugerville Ag

11-17-2006, 11:09 AM

Look at most good collegiate teams in history. Great college players don't necessarily mean NFL players ex: Nebraska.... however I'm just having y'all argue in circles just to pass the time.

Teams like Nebraska are by far the minority. Take a look at the best teams from the late 90's, who was on those teams, and where they are now.

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 11:09 AM

And how far back do you have to go to find when Dennis finished higher than 3rd in the Big 12?

Substitute Dennis with RC & how far back would that be?

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 11:10 AM

It's about development.

So your willing for RC to develop a Big 12 CHampionship team into eventually a 6-6 team? :confused:

Because that is what happened.

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 11:11 AM

however I'm just having y'all argue in circles just to pass the time.

Which is why you are a sad case.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 11:13 AM

Substitute Dennis with RC & how far back would that be?
From when he was fired 4 years

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 11:13 AM

Which is why you are a sad case.
then why do you fuel my fire?

90AG

11-17-2006, 04:59 PM

then why do you fuel my fire?

why do you use a Rutgers/Fresno avatar?

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 05:00 PM

Because I will not conform

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 05:05 PM

why do you use a Rutgers/Fresno avatar?

Bandwagon jumper.... ;)

Burnetaggie99

11-17-2006, 05:13 PM

That's why it crucial we get outstanding Wr's that can spread the field and let McGee throw the ball down field. I wish we could get Dez Bryant and Terrance Tolliver nailed down. How sick would that be to have Franks, Morrow, Perry, Bryant, and Tolliver all on the field at the same time and McGee airing it out. The running game is intact but if we don't have Wr's to keep others teams from putting 8 to 9 men in the box this Spread offense won't work. The key to the spread is to have great balance which we have but still lacking in the WR deptment other than a few young guys and our TE's.

Mezentius

11-17-2006, 05:15 PM

Mez,

You make very valid points. Personally, I don't feel that we have to get a lot of yards throwing the ball downfield. As a matter of fact, I don't care if we never complete a pass downfield. I just want to see us throw the ball downfield. Overthrow everyone by 10 yards if you have to. Let the ball "drift" out of bounds if you can't overthrow the coverage. I just want to present the threat that we will go deep to keep those DBs from creeping up too much to help with the run.

Agreed...I would still like to see the attempt every now and then. I have to think there is a reason why this hasn't been done.

The only thing I can think of is that the thought all year long has been to end every drive in a kick (punt, fg, or xp). Maybe Fran/Les' message to McGee has been to protect teh ball all year above anything else.

As a team that eats the clock and thus has longer drives and less possessions then making sure the opponent doesn't get cheap scores is imperative.

I for one think we're a bit too conservative in the passing game and a bit too aggressive in the running game (a ton of screen passes and a ton of home run option or draw plays on 2nd and four that go for losses making us have too many 3rd and 6 or 8).

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 05:28 PM

Bandwagon jumper.... ;)
that Fresno bandwagon had a busted wheel to start the season.

Mezentius

11-17-2006, 05:44 PM

On a different not what the hell is with that V on the Fresno State helmets...seriously is that for victory...I'm confused.

But their coach sports an amusing handlbar mustache which makes me smile.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 05:56 PM

On a different not what the hell is with that V on the Fresno State helmets...seriously is that for victory...I'm confused.

But their coach sports an amusing handlbar mustache which makes me smile.
The green "V" worn on the back of the football players' helmets (and also on the front of the basketball uniforms along the neckline) honors the agricultural industry of the San Joaquin Valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_Valley), and the importance it plays in financially supporting Fresno State (as well as the university's contributions to the area economy).
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