Did anyone see?? [Archive]

90AG

11-16-2006, 06:57 PM

the Houston Nutt article in the USA Today today where he thanked Broyles for realizing what it takes to WIN in major college football and having the faith in him to stick with him through the last couple of VERY BAD years?

Young Team...
Tough Conference...
HUGE expectations...
CJ Fans that wanted to fire him....
AD that stodd behind him and....

Presto....they're staring the BCS in the face and headed to the SEC chamionship game! What a freakin' concept!

Dustin00whoop

11-16-2006, 07:08 PM

Yeah, & he has been there 9 years hasn't he?

90AG

11-16-2006, 07:14 PM

I think he got there in 1998.

Superaggie79

11-16-2006, 07:16 PM

and he had beaten tu

GSZ94

11-16-2006, 07:29 PM

From Arkansas athletics website:

Nutt arrives in Dec. 1997

Nutt is only the third head coach in UA history to lead the Hogs to bowl games in each of his first six seasons. In his tenure, Arkansas has played in the 1999 Citrus Bowl, 2000 Cotton Bowl, 2000 Las Vegas Bowl, 2002 Cotton Bowl, the 2002 Music City Bowl and the 2003 Independence Bowl.

In 1999 the Razorbacks became the Western Division favorite because of an unusually large senior class. The Hogs had trouble on the road throughout the campaign, but finished in the manner of legends, defeating No. 3 Tennessee and No. 12 Mississippi State on consecutive weekends to earn a spot opposite longtime rival Texas in the Cotton Bowl.

Nutt’s well-prepared team handed the Longhorns a 27-6 defeat in front of a packed house that included more than 40,000 cardinal-clad Hog fans. For the first time in its illustrious history, Texas was held to negative rushing yards. Once again the Hogs finished in the top 20 in the final polls.....

When comparing Nutt to fran, this appears to be apples to oranges!

GregH

11-16-2006, 07:36 PM

and he had beaten tu
Oh, he forgot to mention that.

Superaggie79

11-16-2006, 07:52 PM

ha he beat them twice!

GSZ94

11-16-2006, 07:53 PM

ha he beat them twice!

Sorry, SA79. You beat me to it! :gig:

90AG

11-17-2006, 01:15 PM

Sorry Boys...been away for a while...

I wasnt trying to draw direct correllation between us and arky...just thought it was interesting that given time to develop the obvious talent that they had and coupling it with a couple of HUGE recruits made a BIG difference in the bottom line...

I dont think you could argue that there are more than a few similarities between where they were last year and where we are...

And just for the sake of drawing SA in again...are you trying to say that you'd be happy with Houston Nutt?

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 02:22 PM

Hell yeah I would. He's proven he can win on a large scale in a tough football conference. Dennis had only been in a top conference for one year.

Mezentius

11-17-2006, 02:23 PM

I think the similiarities are striking from an inconference perspective.

Especially given the down state of the SEC West during the late 90's. Let's remember that during that time Alabama was having serious NCAA issues, Auburn was churning through coaches and trying to fly in coaches on the down low, and LSU was firing Dinardo in preparation for hiring Saban.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 02:23 PM

His record in the SEC is 67-41.... 20-21 doesn't even compare

Mezentius

11-17-2006, 02:24 PM

Has Arkansas ever even sniffed the SEC Championship game until this year?
I mean the year he was the favorite in 1999 he went 4-4 in conference losing to that jugernaut Kentucky.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 02:26 PM

Nutt also coached under Jimmy Johnson and Lou Holtz... he was also a collegiate athlete which I think is important because he can relate.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 02:26 PM

Has Arkansas ever even sniffed the SEC Championship game until this year?
I mean the year he was the favorite in 1999 he went 4-4 in conference losing to that jugernaut Kentucky.
He also beat texas that year and finished in the top 20

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 02:28 PM

and in 02-03 they played in the SEC title game

Slotback

11-17-2006, 03:22 PM

There were plenty of GJH's who wanted Nutt run out of town. Well he has turned it around. He won't get Coach of the Year nationally, but he ought to get it for the SEC.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 03:22 PM

Gulch jumping hogs?

90AG

11-17-2006, 04:01 PM

Gulch jumping hogs?

Now THAT's funny...

I like your passion for the issue, but it clouds your judgment...that's why lawyers dont represent themselves and Doctors dont operate on family members...you pick items that support your AGENDA and discard the rest...

Again, I hoped you wouldnt make this into another one of your hijackings and could see the similarities, but I overestimated you....:(

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 04:03 PM

Now THAT's funny...

I like your passion for the issue, but it clouds your judgment...that's why lawyers dont represent themselves and Doctors dont operate on family members...you pick items that support your AGENDA and discard the rest...

Again, I hoped you wouldnt make this into another one of your hijackings and could see the similarities, but I overestimated you....:(

see link... ;)

http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310

BOOZINB85

11-17-2006, 04:03 PM

He also doesn't make $2 million a year.

whitelightnin_23

11-17-2006, 04:05 PM

back from the dead!

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 04:18 PM

back from the dead!

:cry: :mad:

90AG

11-17-2006, 04:32 PM

see link... ;)

http://www.aggiefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310

that is a thing of Beauty....I signed the petition under several differnt names in honor of Boozin/moth and hmiles/oreo....

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 04:35 PM

Lol.....

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 04:41 PM

typical hijack the thread after doesn't go the way it was intended

90AG

11-17-2006, 04:43 PM

typical hijack the thread after doesn't go the way it was intended

your rep proceeds you...how you got :rep: boggles my mind!

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 04:44 PM

typical hijack the thread after doesn't go the way it was intended

YOu & others hijacked the thread and sent it in a way 90AG didn't want it to go.....

So I must ask... are you talking to yourself?

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 04:45 PM

He brought up Houston Nutt and how he was in a similar situation. I showed how it was not similar. I stayed on topic

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 04:46 PM

He brought up Houston Nutt and how he was in a similar situation. I showed how it was not similar. I stayed on topic

He wasn't talking from a fan's prospective.... From the way they were calling for his head.....

You went & twisted his words.... Which doesn't surprise anyone really.

Pumchavas28

11-17-2006, 04:46 PM

your rep proceeds you...how you got :rep: boggles my mind!

Hottie Pics mostly.

90AG

11-17-2006, 04:48 PM

ok...that'd get him off the hook for a while!

he knows what the issue is and how he hijacked the thread...he's just trying to cloud the issue liek he does with everything else!

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 04:54 PM

Bull**** I proved your theory wrong. What in history should make us as fans, since this is what you're talking about, fee like Fran is capable of doing what Houston Nutt has done?

Mezentius

11-17-2006, 05:04 PM

His record in the SEC is 67-41.... 20-21 doesn't even compare

Record over all is 67-41...he's only in his 9th year.

6-2
4-4
4-4
4-4
5-3
4-4
3-5
2-6

No idea how they did in 1997 (year before he got there) as its not on their site.

1998
9-3 (loss to Michigan in bowl game) (1-2 against ranked opponents) (6-2 in SEC)
Impressive loss to #1 Tenn where Arkansas fumbled running out the clock.
Miss State the n ext week in what is obviously a let down

1998
8-4 (Win over tu in the Cotton Bowl) (4-4 in conference)
Famous horns down in Cotton Bowl (3-1 vs. ranked opponents)

2000
7-5 (loss to UNLV in bowl game) (4-4 in SEC)
Still 4-1 against ranked opponents

2001
7-5 (Loss to OU in Cotton Bowl) (4-4 In SEC)
2-2 vs ranked opponents

2002
9-5 (14 games wow) (Loss in SEC Championship Game to Georgia and Minnesota in the bowl game) (5-3 in SEC not counting champ. game).
3-1 vs ranked teams

2003
9-4 (Beat Missouri in the Independence Bowl) (4-4 in SEC)
Nice win over tu for sure. (1-1 vs ranked teams)

2004
5-6 (No Bowl) (3-5 SEC) (0-5 vs ranked teams)

2005
4-7 (2-6 SEC) No Bowl

32-32 before this year in conference. Outstanding.

90AG

11-17-2006, 05:24 PM

Bull**** I proved your theory wrong. What in history should make us as fans, since this is what you're talking about, fee like Fran is capable of doing what Houston Nutt has done?

the comparison was INTENDED to be young team versus young team and AD staying with coach versus AD staying with coach...Fran has...Damn...I'm not going to let you drag me into your hijacking!

The issue is that we have a very young team just like arky did last year and with a couple of hot shot big name recruits. Plus, they kept the alums off Nutt's back long enough for him to make the progress he knew was coming.

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 05:27 PM

Record over all is 67-41...he's only in his 9th year.

6-2
4-4
4-4
4-4
5-3
4-4
3-5
2-6

No idea how they did in 1997 (year before he got there) as its not on their site.

1998
9-3 (loss to Michigan in bowl game) (1-2 against ranked opponents) (6-2 in SEC)
Impressive loss to #1 Tenn where Arkansas fumbled running out the clock.
Miss State the n ext week in what is obviously a let down

1998
8-4 (Win over tu in the Cotton Bowl) (4-4 in conference)
Famous horns down in Cotton Bowl (3-1 vs. ranked opponents)

2000
7-5 (loss to UNLV in bowl game) (4-4 in SEC)
Still 4-1 against ranked opponents

2001
7-5 (Loss to OU in Cotton Bowl) (4-4 In SEC)
2-2 vs ranked opponents

2002
9-5 (14 games wow) (Loss in SEC Championship Game to Georgia and Minnesota in the bowl game) (5-3 in SEC not counting champ. game).
3-1 vs ranked teams

2003
9-4 (Beat Missouri in the Independence Bowl) (4-4 in SEC)
Nice win over tu for sure. (1-1 vs ranked teams)

2004
5-6 (No Bowl) (3-5 SEC) (0-5 vs ranked teams)

2005
4-7 (2-6 SEC) No Bowl

32-32 before this year in conference. Outstanding.

You got the tater

90AG

11-17-2006, 05:33 PM

He was on the hot seat and they stayed the course...would they have won the same with a different coach this year? If Nick Saban was coaching there this year would they be #1 in the country? Would they have lost to USC??

As long as we're completely off the purpose of the thread, I figured I just keep on heading out...

Mezentius

11-17-2006, 05:41 PM

You got the tater

That made me laugh dude...seriously. There's Dr. Pepper on my notebook screen.:D

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 05:54 PM

GSZ94

11-17-2006, 07:03 PM

Although I don't know exactly what circumstances brought Nutt to Arkansas, I doubt he was hired with the same expectations made of fran.

Let's remember, we wanted a "big gun" to come in, make an immediate impact, and have us playing for championships within 2-4 years. Seeing OU with Stoops (yr 2) and seeing OSU with Tressel (yr 2), most truly believed that this could be done. To put us in position for success, we find a history-proven "king of instant turn-arounds" and pay him top of scale based on faith.

PinetarAg

11-17-2006, 07:16 PM

He also doesn't make $2 million a year.

He got banned already??? lol....What happened this time...or was it that fact he just showed up....lol

Superaggie79

11-17-2006, 07:18 PM

Nutt was the last player recruited by Frank Broyles if that explains why he's there now

Kyle98

11-17-2006, 09:18 PM

Let's remember, we wanted a "big gun" to come in, make an immediate impact, and have us playing for championships within 2-4 years.

That was never going to happen. The pickings were pretty slim when Fran got here. That its taken longer to turn around here really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. RC didn't leave the program in the best state. 4-6 years is much more realistic a time frame, and he's still got a chance to do that. I'm not a defend Fran at all costs guy, but I do like the improvements the team has made this year. Last year, we'd be 5-6 at best right now. We would have lost to Army, lost to Kansas, lost to OSU. As ugly as the team looked in those four games (all on the road, 2 real road games, though), we still found a way to win. That's not something that has happened the last few years. This team has a real shot at winning in Austin and going undefeated on the road. How long has it been since that happened? 94? And there was a tie that year (vs SMU in Alamodome).

GSZ94

11-17-2006, 10:44 PM

That was never going to happen.

Exactly!

The pickings were pretty slim when Fran got here. That its taken longer to turn around here really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. RC didn't leave the program in the best state.

Yes, and fran redshirting almost all of the incoming talent didn't exactly springboard efforts toward any "quick turn-around" expectation.

4-6 years is much more realistic a time frame, and he's still got a chance to do that.

I agree, but if this was the expectation when he was hired, why was his "quick turn-around" history the primary hiring consideration? This was all we heard about at EVERY opportunity.

I'm not a defend Fran at all costs guy, but I do like the improvements the team has made this year. Last year, we'd be 5-6 at best right now. We would have lost to Army, lost to Kansas, lost to OSU. As ugly as the team looked in those four games (all on the road, 2 real road games, though), we still found a way to win. That's not something that has happened the last few years. This team has a real shot at winning in Austin and going undefeated on the road. How long has it been since that happened? 94? And there was a tie that year (vs SMU in Alamodome).

His infamous list of "milestone failures" put us in a position to where things can only get better. Success is then taken out of context and perspective. Keeping that in mind, recent "snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory" games grossly overshadow any positives he made this season. We really need to look at the big picture. I WANT to believe that we have a real shot in Austin. If we come out on top, I'll be thrilled! Yes, it's been since '94 (WHOOP!) since we've won there. Let's remember that this lack of competitiveness helped show RC to the door. We wanted to replace him with someone who would win in Austin and within the immediate future. Thus, the defined circle of complacency is now complete..........

90AG

11-19-2006, 03:01 PM

His infamous list of "milestone failures" put us in a position to where things can only get better. Success is then taken out of context and perspective. Keeping that in mind, recent "snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory" games grossly overshadow any positives he made this season. We really need to look at the big picture. I WANT to believe that we have a real shot in Austin. If we come out on top, I'll be thrilled! Yes, it's been since '94 (WHOOP!) since we've won there. Let's remember that this lack of competitiveness helped show RC to the door. We wanted to replace him with someone who would win in Austin and within the immediate future. Thus, the defined circle of complacency is now complete..........

Nice try...but you know as well as the rest of us that there was SOO m uch more involved in RC getting the door that his W-L record...he had become complacent and when he begins rationalizing losses and we start losing recruits, it doesnt matter how good a guy he is, he had to go...but you knew that already!

GSZ94

11-19-2006, 06:08 PM

Nice try...but you know as well as the rest of us that there was SOO m uch more involved in RC getting the door that his W-L record...he had become complacent and when he begins rationalizing losses and we start losing recruits, it doesnt matter how good a guy he is, he had to go...but you knew that already!

fran hasn't started rationalizing losses either, eh? :stupid:

....but you knew that already!

The Massacre

11-19-2006, 08:25 PM

i know how to use bold

GSZ94

11-19-2006, 08:30 PM

I know how to capitalize and use punctuation. :p

90AG

11-19-2006, 09:12 PM

fran hasn't started rationalizing losses either, eh? :stupid:

....but you knew that already!

The difference is that RC CREATED(cap for impact) it....Fran INHERITED(also cap for impact) it!

But you already knew that too...And dont use the stupid smiley with me unless you actually make a valid point that what I said was stupid...:mad:

GSZ94

11-19-2006, 09:38 PM

The difference is that RC CREATED(cap for impact) it....Fran INHERITED(also cap for impact) it!

But you already knew that too...And dont use the stupid smiley with me unless you actually make a valid point that what I said was stupid...:mad:

Lighten up, tough guy.

When you make the comment "...but you knew that already" after citing RC's rationalizing losses in an attempt to defend fran, you should get the "stupid smiley". You seem to blindly support fran to the point that it comes across as naive.

Superaggie79

11-19-2006, 09:55 PM

90AG you screwed the pooch with your last arguement.... that's good stuff

CaliHornia

11-19-2006, 11:42 PM

This was Arkansas in the 90s before Nutt:

1990 (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/seasons/?id=1990)Jack Crowe (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/coaches/?id=26)38027.271991 (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/seasons/?id=1991)Jack Crowe (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/coaches/?id=26)66050.001992 (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/seasons/?id=1992)Joe Kines (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/coaches/?id=27)37127.271993 (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/seasons/?id=1993)Danny Ford (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/coaches/?id=28)64154.551994 (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/seasons/?id=1994)Danny Ford (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/coaches/?id=28)47036.361995 (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/seasons/?id=1995)Danny Ford (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/coaches/?id=28)85061.541996 (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/seasons/?id=1996)Danny Ford (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/coaches/?id=28)47036.361997 (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/seasons/?id=1997)Danny Ford (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/coaches/?id=28)47036.361998 (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/seasons/?id=1998)Houston Nutt (http://www.razorbacklegacy.com/features/coaches/?id=29)93075.00

After Hatfield left they cam on really hard times. Nutt had had a bad two years in 2005 and 2006, but he'd posted back to back 9 win seasons the two years before that.

I think it's fair to say that he rescued Arkansas football from a decade of dreariness.

Even still, this was a make or break it year for him.

Mezentius

11-20-2006, 08:50 AM

This was Arkansas in the 90s before Nutt:

After Hatfield left they cam on really hard times. Nutt had had a bad two years in 2005 and 2006, but he'd posted back to back 9 win seasons the two years before that.

I think it's fair to say that he rescued Arkansas football from a decade of dreariness.

Even still, this was a make or break it year for him.

Agreed...
let's all remember that in order to get his blue chip qb recruit he hired his HS coach as the offensive coordinator. Think about that for a second. That would be like hiring Jordan Shipley's dad to be our offensive coordinator to get Stephen McGee.

Now that's a gamble right there.

Gravy

11-20-2006, 09:04 AM

Some coaches will just do whatever it takes to win I guess.

Superaggie79

11-20-2006, 09:12 AM

seems like it turned out to be a pretty good move so far.

Mezentius

11-20-2006, 09:57 AM

No doubt he's had some success this year for sure. I think from what we've seen of Nutt is that in years past he's beaten teams he shouldn't and consistently lost to teams she shouldn't lose to. This year his team has won the quality games and kept it together for the easier ones as well.

That and every quality team they've played except for Auburn has been at home.

Superaggie79

11-20-2006, 10:36 AM

Kinda like our schedule huh?

TexAg77

11-20-2006, 10:44 AM

Nutt is only the third head coach in UA history to lead the Hogs to bowl games in each of his first six seasons.

If coach Fran had done this in his first three years no one would be bitching.

Mezentius

11-20-2006, 01:37 PM

If we had the same non conference schedule we do this year as in the previous years we too could have gone 4-4 in conference and gone to mid level bowls his first 3 years.

His best bowl game in 9 years prior to this is I believe the Cotton Bowl (I might be wrong) which is I believe SEC #4.

Nutt's conference record not including this year:
6-2
4-4
4-4
4-4
5-3
4-4
3-5
2-6
Not exactly stellar

Take out USC and Texas in the regular season like 4 years ago and Arkansas has played nobody and in fact have an eary ability to beat the jones in their conference and then choke against someone like Miss State year in and year out. I think that's why Nutt was very very much on the hot seat.