It's Amazing!

[The Massacre]

how many people just back and forth across this line with losses and wins. what ever happened to supporting the team no matter what?

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BEAT THE HELL OUTTA nu!! WHOOP!!

[Burnetaggie99]

I always support the team but now no longer support fran because I'm tired of defending someone who can't quit losing games because he makes bonehead play calling.

[macduff93]

Exercises in futility are their thing, maybe?

This is our team for the season. No amount of bitching from the bleachers will change that.

Gig 'em.

[The Massacre]

I always support the team but now no longer support fran because I'm tired of defending someone who can't quit losing games because he makes bonehead play calling.

B, wasn't aimed at you. there are several on here that are at both extremes.

[NPLAggie07]

Burnet..I agreed with you on another thread that we should have run the ball. That is what was working, but like others have said at some point the players have to execute. I said in another thread that I believe that running J-Lane would have been a better play call, not the right one. If McGee throws the ball to Joey and completes that TD, we are all singing Frans praises.

[jagowar]

I agree with the above.... We are all dissapointed/pissed with this loss but I think we all love our aggie football (otherwise you wouldnt be here discussing it)

Burnet..I agreed with you on another thread that we should have run the ball. That is what was working, but like others have said at some point the players have to execute. I said in another thread that I believe that running J-Lane would have been a better play call, not the right one. If McGee throws the ball to Joey and completes that TD, we are all singing Frans praises.

And if we run lane 2 times and dont make it I think people dont complain like they are now. Because atleast that would have made sense.

[Burnetaggie99]

I would live with us losing running the ball to lane on 3 and 2 of if he dosn't get in if we run it again on fourth down. You lead the big 12 in red zone scoring and have the best goaline back who leads the nation and big 12 in scoring. The odds say run it not throw it. Like I said if we didn't get in then I would of been ok with that along with about 86,000 other people.

[Loftin]

B, wasn't aimed at you. there are several on here that are at both extremes.

I hope that wasn't aimed at me. My issues with Fran are no secret, but my dedication to this team can't be questioned either.

Fans like me, greg, and Burnet love this team and these players. We really believe that what's best for Aggie Football is not what's best for Dennis Frnachione. You don't have to agree.

People who question our loyalty to the Aggies and call us 2%ers are definitely on the "extreme."

[Burnetaggie99]

I have not and will not ever disrespect any Aggie ever. I love each and ever one of ya'll like a brother. We are a brotherhood and we all share a bond for this great university. My post are not aimed at anyone, I'm just writing about what I saw last night.

[The Massacre]

was also based on others i have talked to in person and on other sites. some people were saying this team was the next coming last week and saying we won't win another game after last night.

[macduff93]

We're all frustrated, Burnet, but we have to allow the team to work through this. If next weekend looks much the same, there will be a great many people sending a lot of e-mails and making some calls.

This is one of those situations where patience is all we have and it's not easy, but let's wait and see what changes are made. The only ones who can address the problems are those on the team.

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that things will improve. If they don't, we'll go from there.

Yoga anyone?

[GregH]

I will always support our team, but let me tell you, I'm dog assed tired of losing!!!

[GSZ94]

I agree with the above.... We are all dissapointed/pissed with this loss but I think we all love our aggie football (otherwise you wouldnt be here discussing it) Exactly right!!



And if we run lane 2 times and dont make it I think people dont complain like they are now. Because atleast that would have made sense. Exactly right again!!

Do I support the players? Yes. They played their hearts out last night.

Do I support our CEO? No. BECAUSE YOU CANNOT FIX STUPID !!!

[GregH]

Exactly right again!!

Do I support the players? Yes. They played their hearts out last night.

Do I support our CEO? No. BECAUSE YOU CANNOT FIX STUPID !!!
amen!!!!

[PinetarAg]

how many people just back and forth across this line with losses and wins. what ever happened to supporting the team no matter what?

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BEAT THE HELL OUTTA nu!! WHOOP!!

100000% agree :gig: :gig: :gig: :gig: :gig: :gig: 8-2 still progress from last year and I think we still have a couple wins left in us. The play too hard and give so much for us to give up on them

[macduff93]

Exactly right again!!

Do I support the players? Yes. They played their hearts out last night.

Do I support our CEO? No. BECAUSE YOU CANNOT FIX STUPID !!!



How many people have you convinced to give you a contract guaranteeing millions for doing your job?

If anyone could be labeled stupid in this scenario, it ain't Fran.

[GregH]

You must be related to Fran to be defending his stupidity like you do.

[BAGGIO]

wow this game has everybody going for everybody jugular. I am proud I was in the first fight about this game.

[Pumchavas28]

how many people just back and forth across this line with losses and wins. what ever happened to supporting the team no matter what?

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BEAT THE HELL OUTTA nu!! WHOOP!!


Ya'll Know Which Side I am on.....

NEVER SAY DIE!!!!!!!!!:gig:

Screw the nay-sayers...... :mad:

I don't care who I offend.... But ya know what.. I guess I understand how there is so many of ya'll....

I have to say I was disgusted by some of the Aggies around me.... Getting up during the game & doing crap... at one time it was 3rd & 5 with OU having the ball & folks were going to the restroom or to get something to eat...

WTF!!!!!!!!!

I had to take a piss in the 2nd quarter & I didn't go until after the game at a port-a-poty over on West Campus.....

Seriously.... I don't give a shyt what kind of seasons we have had... I know folks get frustrated, hell so do I.. but damn... WTF.....

I would wave my damn towel & look around & I swear I wish I was in the damn student section... that was the only group of people that matched me yell for yell & towel wave for towel wave....

THE 12THMAN LIVES HERE!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU!!!!!!!!!!

[Pumchavas28]

You must be related to Fran to be defending his stupidity like you do.


Here's a question gregh.... What do you have to say about the situation Fran's players put him in? With the way the O'Line had performed would you have put the game in their hands? Seriously I am curious... did you watch how much our O'LIne struggled?

[macduff93]

You must be related to Fran to be defending his stupidity like you do.

And you must be incapable of logical, rational and discriminate thought to keep dishonoring yourself like you do.

We are the Aggies. The Aggies are we.

I guess that means more to some of us than others.

[Pumchavas28]

And you must be incapable of logical, rational and discriminate thought to keep dishonoring yourself like you do.

We are the Aggies. The Aggies are we.

I guess that means more to some of us than others.


:towel: :towel: :towel: :towel:

[GSZ94]

How many people have you convinced to give you a contract guaranteeing millions for doing your job?

If anyone could be labeled stupid in this scenario, it ain't Fran.


:gig: Great point, 93. In your scenario, scam artist would be more appropriate! However, fran's play calling last night was stupid IF he wanted to actually win the game.

[BAGGIO]

yep thats it. Its a consipracy. Fran does not want to win.

[Pumchavas28]

:gig: Great point, 93. In your scenario, scam artist would be more appropriate! However, fran's play calling last night was stupid IF he wanted to actually win the game.


You know about as much about football as I do about piloting the space shuttle.

[GSZ94]

yep thats it. Its a consipracy. Fran does not want to win.

:gig: Great point! He did want to win the game. Therefore, his calls were stupid.

[Pumchavas28]

:gig: Great point! He did want to win the game. Therefore, his calls were stupid.


So I guess you would want to call McGee stupid also right? He wanted to win the game but his decisions during the passing game didn't help any....

So I guess the O'LIne is stupid, since they wanted to win the game & couldn't pass protect at all last night...

So I guess the Defense is stupid for giving up 1 inch... they wanted to win the game but couldn't hold for one more 1nch.

[BAGGIO]

Ok Fran knows the team, the coaches, and the players better than anyone on this board. He also know what they are capable of and what OU's tendancies are. His offense WAS NOT delivering as they had the rest of the season. He did what he thought best and in the end we came up one inch short. I could understand calling for his job if we were blown out. We lost by 1 point against byfar the best team we have played... i thin the best team we will play...

[November Echo]

OH, I get it. This is the thread that debates the team's integrity vs. their capability.

[Pumchavas28]

Ok Fran knows the team, the coaches, and the players better than anyone on this board. He also know what they are capable of and what OU's tendancies are. His offense WAS NOT delivering as they had the rest of the season. He did what he thought best and in the end we came up one inch short. I could understand calling for his job if we were blown out. We lost by 1 point against byfar the best team we have played... i thin the best team we will play...


Exactly.....

It is obvious that I was expecting a higher scoring game because I honestly believed it but watching OU stop as often as they did surprised me... I didn't expect to punt more than 2 times... HONESTLY... but we did & that was because lack of execution from out players... Execution that had seem to be taken care of the last 4 games...

I know execution is a coaches job, but damn... When your players show you they have it down packed after 4 weeks, you would think you shouldn't have to hold their hand all the damn time...

[GSZ94]

So I guess you would want to call McGee stupid also right? He wanted to win the game but his decisions during the passing game didn't help any....

So I guess the O'LIne is stupid, since they wanted to win the game & couldn't pass protect at all last night...

So I guess the Defense is stupid for giving up 1 inch... they wanted to win the game but couldn't hold for one more 1nch.


If you look at other posts that I've made, you'll see that I have consistently praised our players. I'm sorry if you feel like they were the let-down. The team I saw played with passion and wanted to make things happen with the stupid plays that were called.

Have you logged in some flight time, sat in the simulator, or just visited the Johnson Space Center?

[November Echo]

BTW, when the season is over, OU will not have been the best team we played this season. Texas did beat them soundly.

I am not a fan of Texas, but right now they have a better program (and it makes me sick).

[BAGGIO]

well i did say the best team I THINK we will play. took a miracle for tu to beat nu, nu lost to osu. It does not matter how one team plays another.

[November Echo]

Nice, Gizzer. I think you just called him an Astronaut :) (But I'm not sure since English is my second language)

Folks, we're arguing with one another over Fran?
Now that is funny.

[GSZ94]

Nice, Gizzer. I think you just called him an Astronaut :) (But I'm not sure since English is my second language)

Folks, we're arguing with one another over Fran?
Now that is funny.


So true...... I don't know whether to laugh or cry!

[November Echo]

Ever see "Band of Brothers"?

The scene where Easy Company were on a ship, crossing the Atlantic to go fight the Germans. 2 paratroopers started fighting each other arguing about Capt. Sobol.

[BAGGIO]

if you cant argue about the head coach what the hell can you argue about?

[November Echo]

Some people seem to think-

Criticizing the head coach = Not supporting the team.

Which makes as much sense as-

Criticizing the President = Not supporting the troops.

[BAGGIO]

heh uh oh dont bring up politics in a football thread.

[Pumchavas28]

Some people seem to think-

Criticizing the head coach = Not supporting the team.

Which makes as much sense as-

Criticizing the President = Not supporting the troops.


Dude... I don't mind if you criticize the coach, but it's not only his fault....

You can't deny the fact that players made mistakes also..... I put blame on Coaches & Players, but I am just making it so people see the whole PICTURE, instead of just near-sighted views from people who are quick on the trigger to put the blame ONLY on Fran.

[November Echo]

Players do make mistakes and that is expected and usually acceptable. I don't remember seeing any blatant player "brain fart" mistakes.

Coaches get criticized for making questionable calls. I don't blame ONLY Fran, but MY opinion is that Fran is not a good fit, nor is he the best coach for our program. Nothing personal.

[BAGGIO]

I hate to open this cans of worms, but who would be a better fit?

[Pumchavas28]

It will be the same 3 names over & over again..... been there done that....

[BAGGIO]

i think they should pick a different student each week. That would really be the 12th man.

[Pumchavas28]

Hell yeah... we can line up some of the Perfectly Good Coaches we have on this site....

[November Echo]

I'm not the only one who thinks Bob Davie was a damn good coach.

[Pumchavas28]

I agree with you about that... but the Only way he would have been our head coach is if RC was fired to make way for him....

So would you have wanted RC out & Davie in?

[Dustin00whoop]

There is a reason why Bob Davie has been out of coaching for many a year.

[Pumchavas28]

Bob Davie is one of the Coaches where you have the "chicken & egg" type of question...

What made him good? His system or the players?

[JonesyMan]

Hey, at least we are goin bowlin.

[Pumchavas28]

Hey, at least we are goin bowlin.


I agree.... but I still want to win these next 2 games... I don't want to settle for a bowl game... that's a step back after a good 2/3 of the season......

I still believe we will beat nu..... and I see a win over tu also... the only problem with beating tu is that by that time I believe they will have the South locked up & already be on their way to the Big 12 Chip...

So a win over tu will help us get to a better bowl game, but wont deviate tu from getting to a possible BCS game.

[90AG]

Exactly right again!!

Do I support the players? Yes. They played their hearts out last night.

Do I support our CEO? No. BECAUSE YOU CANNOT FIX STUPID !!!

This is the most inane post ever.

BurnetAg...you and I are almost always on the same page, but I think McGee bears the blame for this one....He's my guy...I think he's the best I have seen since Bucky as far as leadership and moxie...but he missed more open reads yesterday than I have seen in a long time...I DVR'd the game and watched it tonight...Herbstreit and Davie were at odds on what should have been called at the goal line...it all boils down to...we make it and it's one of the best wins in recent history and if we dont, we lose by 1 and all MO is GONE!

Me...I would have run Lane twice....All those guys on the field know a LOT more than me about coaching football!

[AustinAG07]

This is my first post since the game and here are my thoughts:
GET OFF FRAN'S BACK! He made some questionable calls, but that does not ruin all the progress we have made this season. We lost by 1 point to a very good team. OU is much improved since the start of the season. We are a good team ourselves and still have a chance to make this a special season.

What about the great adjustments our defense made? It looked like we were going to be destroyed at the start of the game.

What about how our team kept its composure after a costly interception by McGee that could have burried us?

Both of those show that Fran and this team have taken huge steps forward this season.

There are positives to take out of this game. And some of you are going to say "I don't accept losing." or "No moral victories." That is just ignorant. True, we shouldn't be happy about the result of the game, but there is a differene between being upset about a loss and jumping off a cliff. This was not a game that should get a coach fired. If you weren't calling for Frans game on Friday, I dont think you should be this Sunday. If you thought we were going to go undefeated this season you do not know very much about college football.