Let's see, was it the playing calling,

[GregH]

or was it the lack of the recievers to EVER get open? I'm saying it here and now, this was by far the worst called game by our coaches yet.

4th and goal and a FG? Are you joking Fran? Come on, there was 6 minutes left and you could have had the train bump it in.

Fellow Aggies we looked like crap tonight.

Next week

BTHO nu!!!!!!!!

[macduff93]

maybe it needed to happen for the O coordinator to see how bad his playcalling can suck. It's been weak too many times IMO and we have not pulled the trigger in the red zone on too many chances so maybe some good can come from it.

[whitelightnin_23]

don't think we looked like crap. our D looked great in the 2nd half.

We couldn't get anything through the air. McGee was off. Coupled w/ their great pass D...who knows. We lost the game in the 1st qtr...& had a chance in the 4th onthat 4th down...and I agree that we should have gone for it, but we had another chance & couldn't convert that...

credit their defense. stoops is a hellova coach.

[BAGGIO]

i thought we played pretty good. Gig Em Aggies

[CoolaidWade]

6 minutes is alot of time left. FG wasen't that bad of a call. It wasen't worse then Stoops going for it on that last 4th down actually. We almost had a chance to take advantage of bad play calling for the win.

I personally would have ran J-Trane at least once in that situtuation but you can't fault Fran for making a traditional call with 6 minutes left.

[GregH]

When I was watching the game the Aggies didn't look like they knew really what was going to happen. A lot of confusion.

[TomballAg]

Hats off to Harrington and the D for an amazing 2nd half performance:towel::towel::towel:

[whitelightnin_23]

Absolutely! Half-time adjustments again! We need to stop the 1st qtr barrage & we'll be unstoppable!

[BigJohn]

We lost this game in the first quarter.

[BAGGIO]

i dunno i thought we did ok

[whitelightnin_23]

still...a good showing on National TV against a good team. Not a total loss tonight.

[BAGGIO]

I dont wanna say heres to next year, but heres to our bowl game! GIG EM AGGIES!!!! BEAT THE HELL OUTTA NU!

[jagowar]

this game was all coaching (and im just back from the game)... fran/keonig need to take a vacation to junction and find a pair of balls.

Its really a shame that our performance on the D side was wasted..... that was some inspired heart by our D in the second half.

[GSZ94]

or was it the lack of the recievers to EVER get open? I'm saying it here and now, this was by far the worst called game by our coaches yet.

4th and goal and a FG? Are you joking Fran? Come on, there was 6 minutes left and you could have had the train bump it in.

Fellow Aggies we looked like crap tonight.

Next week

BTHO nu!!!!!!!!

No, our players played their hearts out. Our offensive coaches looked like crap tonight. Money well spent......

[whitelightnin_23]

No, our players played their hearts out. Our offensive coaches looked like crap tonight. Money well spent......
McGee was off. Didn't look the same after that int. Not sure what % of that is a credit to their D...but he wasn't the same...

[GSZ94]

Press conference on now......

Goodson is frustrated and is also insinuating that the play calling was horrible.

[CaliHornia]

6 minutes is alot of time left. FG wasen't that bad of a call. It wasen't worse then Stoops going for it on that last 4th down actually. We almost had a chance to take advantage of bad play calling for the win.

I personally would have ran J-Trane at least once in that situtuation but you can't fault Fran for making a traditional call with 6 minutes left.

Actually, neither of the FGs were bad calls. Heck, you almost stopped them to set up the punt, Stoops just sacked up and said no. But it's not like you weren't in a position to win.

Where ya'lls playcalling kills you guys is when you pass the ball inside the 20s. McGee doesn't do that really well and you can RUN well. When you drop back to pass and keep dropping back under pressure instead of stepping UP in the pocket, you take your team out of striking distance.

[jagowar]

the first one was a decent call (even with the bitching in the stands because there was 9+ mins left) but the second one was a bad call in every way. there simply wasnt enough time imo to not go for the win. all they needed was one conversion and as well as we had played on D in the second half I didnt think we were going to keep getting lucky stopping them and we didnt.

Either way what cost us this game is our lack of the killer instinct. Stoops showed it on the 4th call and even the onside kick (even though it was a bust play for them)

[CaliHornia]

the first one was a decent call (even with the bitching in the stands because there was 9+ mins left) but the second one was a bad call in every way. there simply wasnt enough time imo to not go for the win. all they needed was one conversion and as well as we had played on D in the second half I didnt think we were going to keep getting lucky stopping them and we didnt.

Either way what cost us this game is our lack of the killer instinct. Stoops showed it on the 4th call and even the onside kick (even though it was a bust play for them)

Don't forget that we won a national championship stopping one of the most high-octane offenses ever on 4th down. You were going to have about a minute and a half.

Basically Fran was putting you in a position where a FG would win it. There was a good chance it would come down to that.

It might not be the call I would make, but it's defensible.

[GSZ94]

Don't forget that we won a national championship stopping one of the most high-octane offenses ever on 4th down. You were going to have about a minute and a half.

Basically Fran was putting you in a position where a FG would win it. There was a good chance it would come down to that.

It might not be the call I would make, but it's defensible.

:mad: We had the ball on 3rd down from the 2 yd line. We have a running back who has the will to "just get in there"! During the 2nd half, the Sooner offense was not high-octane. fran's call is NOT "defensible" it is INEXCUSABLE !!!

[CaliHornia]

:mad: We had the ball on 3rd down from the 2 yd line. We have a running back who has the will to "just get in there"! During the 2nd half, the Sooner offense was not high-octane. fran's call is NOT "defensible" it is INEXCUSABLE !!!

The fact that their offense is not high octane is why Fran thought you would stop them. Thompson couldn't throw tonight, his receivers couldn't catch, and Patrick was gassed.

Going the other way, if they can get you to a 4th down, there's not reason they couldn't stop you on 4th down.

I don't think Fran is a good coach, and I think your OC is bad, but those two calls aren't all that bad.

[Kyle98]

The call I hate the most isn't kicking the FG to make it 17-13 on 4th and goal, that was the right call....it was passing the ball the previous play. 3rd and goal from the 2 1/2. Give it to Lane. Unless they hit him in the backfield, he's going to score there.

The OC is bad. He outcoaches himself in big games. Still, we weren't supposed to win this game, and we had a chance in the 4th quarter to do just that. This team has already proven to me that they are winners. BTHO Nebraska! I'll finally be able to make another game this year! WHOOP

[CaliHornia]

Interesting analysis by someone on Texags:


On a 3rd and 2 play earlier in the game, Coach Fran inexplicably decides to exhume Courtney Lewis’ body to trot him out there for a short yardage attempt rather than use the unstoppable force that is Jorvorskie Lane. Lewis gets stopped, and we had to punt.

Obviously on the 3rd and goal from the 2, you want to give the ball to Lane. Instead, Fran chooses to let McGee pass the ball, despite the fact that we'd only completed about 5 passes the entire game. Fran seems to have decided that Lane should primarily be used as a short yardage back, yet ignores him in this role in the most important situations.

Don’t blame McGee for the passing game. This is what our 2nd grade passing attack is designed to do. The passing offense is a one-read option: if the primary receiver is not open, then tuck it and run…if the tuck-and-run isn’t available, throw it away. Most people blamed Reggie for making the same mistakes last year. It’s no coincidence that McGee is doing the same thing(no pocket presence, happy feet, ignoring wide open receivers). Coach Fran’s goal in running this is to eliminate the chances for turnovers. Two years ago, McNeal had the longest streak without an interception. This year, McGee had it. It’s all a side effect of what Fran tries to accomplish with his passing game. He wants to control the clock, not turnover the ball, and prevent the big play on defense. The only time you see this “strategy” abandoned is when our backs are against the wall late in the game and risking a turnover is absolutely necessary to tie the game. Examples of this are the Colorado game at Kyle in 2004 and the Oklahoma State game this year. Did you notice how much better McNeal and McGee were in those situations where the offense was forced to open up?

Where are the screen passes? OU blitzed in nearly every passing situation, yet we only ran one WR screen. Goodson would be deadly if we used him on a RB screen on a blitz.

I’ve said this several times, but Lane is most effective when he is running out of the I-formation. Nearly every big run that he’s made this season has been out of the I-formation, and nearly every time he’s been stopped for no gain has been when he’s given the ball as the FB in the option or when he’s the RB in a single-back set. Lane needs to be given the ball out of the I-formation at least 15 times a game and we should mix in the play action pass out of that set to keep the defense honest. Fran chooses to run Lane this way on about 5 plays per game, and saves the rest of his carries for short yardage situations…unless it’s a short yardage situation is a pivotal part of the game, in which case Fran will undoubtedly outsmart himself and find a “cute” play that fails.

The third point is the point I made earlier. I actually think it's the strategy to just tuck and run rather than risk an int.

I think that's why you guys have had so many close games. At the end of the day, you're holding your offense back. It's not turning the ball over, but at the same time, it's hard to turn drives into points without putting it up in the air a little more, spreading the ball around.

[GuatemalanAg]

...Lane is most effective when he is running out of the I-formation...
Hard to argue with that...

[whitelightnin_23]

Interesting analysis by someone on Texags:

The third point is the point I made earlier. I actually think it's the strategy to just tuck and run rather than risk an int.

I think that's why you guys have had so many close games. At the end of the day, you're holding your offense back. It's not turning the ball over, but at the same time, it's hard to turn drives into points without putting it up in the air a little more, spreading the ball around.

actually a pretty good take from Texags. I was screaming for another swing pass (after the one in the 1st half) or a screen pass to Goodson in the 2nd half...

[jagowar]

i agree completly.... the screen is custom tailored for somebody like goodson. hes developing a very good field vision (especially for a freshmen) and has the speed to be deadly in open space (which is something the screens and swing passes would do)

and that is my biggest problem with fran in this game (and really since hes been here) is that we never seem to "go and take" the games we can/should win. stoops like him or hate him knows how to go take the win and until the past very few years mack had this same problem (and was the reason he was constantly getting lambasted by the sips message boards much like fran is now).

[thissamguy]

The first call to kick wasn't the worst. The idea of not planning on going for it on 4th down when it was 3rd and 2 was the worst. How could J. Lane not get 2 yards with 2 carries???

[GregH]

:mad: We had the ball on 3rd down from the 2 yd line. We have a running back who has the will to "just get in there"! During the 2nd half, the Sooner offense was not high-octane. fran's call is NOT "defensible" it is INEXCUSABLE !!!

I agree 100%, the playing tonight was unacceptable. Si I guess Fran should just get his playing calling advise from a sip right?

[GregH]

The fact that their offense is not high octane is why Fran thought you would stop them. Thompson couldn't throw tonight, his receivers couldn't catch, and Patrick was gassed.

Going the other way, if they can get you to a 4th down, there's not reason they couldn't stop you on 4th down.

I don't think Fran is a good coach, and I think your OC is bad, but those two calls aren't all that bad.


I agree with 2 things here: Fran's calling, or that of "over-riding the OC's" playing was TERRIBLE!! And that flat out the OC was very bad at play calling, but dude, seriously, those were horrible calls. We have Lane. Come on now!!!

Oh well, no use in getting all worked up over the ou loss fellas, we got big red coming to town next week.
Hopefully this loss and reviews of the game tape by the coaches and players will piss them off enough to propel them into this next game and the last game and be the motivation to tear some arse UP!!!!

[Vlyrock]

I feel like everybody's just looking for a chance to blast the coaches. Well, get over yourself and admit that our guys didn't play fantastic tonight. Specifically the offense. You can't fault the playcalling when Stephen McGee drops 20 yards back on 3 plays. We had 2 drives where we had a 3 and 30!! That wasn't the playcalling -- that was a QB feeling pressure and bailing back. He needs to stop doing that. We wasted a turnover and another drive. He shouldn't ever drop back more than 7 yards. He did that several times tonight and it killed our drives.

The only issue I have with the playcalling was the fact that we used our trick plays going against the wind (where it was near impossible to pass). We should've held those for the 4th quarter. Other than that, the first field goal was okay. I would've liked to had 2 shots with Lane, but the fact that we got the ball and drove down for another field goal shows you there was enough time. We just couldn't score a TD when we needed to. Also, the second field goal, I believe Fran would've gone for it had it been a 4th and 1--but it was a 4th and 6. You have to kick in that situation.

It was a good game, just frustrating. Let's BTHO NU.

[Dustin00whoop]

Yeah, & the thing is Vly, in the 2nd half a lot of that excessive dropping back was done when he wasn't under heavy pressure.

This staff can't win for losing with some people on this board--they win & the team won in spite of the coaches. They lose & its a shame this team lost because w/o the coaches on the sideline, they could've won. At some point, the players make the plays. This team understands that, but the half-ass fans don't.

[Vlyrock]

That was the most frustrating part about it...coming on the boards and reading this crap. Granted, it's not near as bad as it was earlier in the season.

And what was worse -- there were plenty of them in the stands around me too. They actually boo'd the second field goal. Ridiculous -- you don't boo the Aggies.

[jagowar]

I feel like everybody's just looking for a chance to blast the coaches. Well, get over yourself and admit that our guys didn't play fantastic tonight. Specifically the offense. You can't fault the playcalling when Stephen McGee drops 20 yards back on 3 plays. We had 2 drives where we had a 3 and 30!! That wasn't the playcalling -- that was a QB feeling pressure and bailing back. He needs to stop doing that. We wasted a turnover and another drive. He shouldn't ever drop back more than 7 yards. He did that several times tonight and it killed our drives.

The only issue I have with the playcalling was the fact that we used our trick plays going against the wind (where it was near impossible to pass). We should've held those for the 4th quarter. Other than that, the first field goal was okay. I would've liked to had 2 shots with Lane, but the fact that we got the ball and drove down for another field goal shows you there was enough time. We just couldn't score a TD when we needed to. Also, the second field goal, I believe Fran would've gone for it had it been a 4th and 1--but it was a 4th and 6. You have to kick in that situation.

It was a good game, just frustrating. Let's BTHO NU.

We had 3 trips into the red zone (the first half FG) and all we got out of those 3 trips was 9 points. That is where we lost the game. We have teh jtrain and we still cant put red zone oppertunities in.... thats a bigger problem than execution imo. This isnt the first time we have had trouble converting oppertunities.

They were blitzing us on almost every passing play yet we only ran one screen (which very nearly worked for a TD) and the one swing pass to goodson (which went for 5 or 6).

And I dont know if anybody noticed but the jtrain was pissed at fran before and after that 3rd down and 2 call (a small bit was showing on the 12th TV)..... and I dont blame him at all.

[Vlyrock]

It still comes down to execution. Those 9 points were enough if McGee doesn't throw the int they return (and we stuff the drive) which results in the field goal to give them 17. Could've easily been 16-14 based on the way our D played.

[jagowar]

But it wasnt 16-14 it was 17-10.... that was the situation and our oppertunities came after the int not before.

If we had the 3 drives before their int than a FG would have been right but only one of our drives was before that.

[PinetarAg]

It still comes down to execution. Those 9 points were enough if McGee doesn't throw the int they return (and we stuff the drive) which results in the field goal to give them 17. Could've easily been 16-14 based on the way our D played.

wasn't there an article (I don't feel like finding the thread) that Mcgee would make a mistake that would lead to a sooners win. Well i think they nailed in on the head, without that pick we win. Hell of a game though we need to forget about and move on to nu

BTHO nu

[macduff93]

Maybe there was too much trickery or change-ups and Stephen was afraid to make a mistake. It was obvious he was uncomfortable on numerous plays. Very frustrating to watch.

[CoolaidWade]

I feel like everybody's just looking for a chance to blast the coaches. Well, get over yourself and admit that our guys didn't play fantastic tonight. Specifically the offense.
That defends the first to last FG. It did play out like clockwork.... We got points with over 6 minutes left and then we made a immedate stop and got our hands on the ball again. We just couldn't get the ball in there. OU grabbing Goodson's shoelace at the end was huge.

[jagowar]

And I think the "afraid to make a mistake" is what our coaches have told him to do (which is what the analysis cali quoted above). That how it looks like fran coaches (and this goes back to reggie as well.... he showed alot of these same traits)

[The Massacre]

McGee is only a soph. i'm sure that there is a lot of conservative stuff done to prevent him from making mistakes. i SURE HOPE that as he gets more and more game experience, the offense is opened up more and plays less conservative in some situations.

[Dustin00whoop]

Yeah, but Cali is talking out of his ass, Jag....its pure "random speculation".

[Dustin00whoop]

McGee is only a soph. i'm sure that there is a lot of conservative stuff done to prevent him from making mistakes. i SURE HOPE that as he gets more and more game experience, the offense is opened up more and plays less conservative in some situations.

We came out very open on offense. We ran a play action fake on our first offensive play of the game. McGee's inability to see the field & our inability to pass block early led to a more conservatively called game.

I'm watching the Texans game right now & watching Carr never set up after a dropback & rolling out before the pressure is even coming makes me think I'm watching last night's game all over again.

[CaliHornia]

Yeah, but Cali is talking out of his ass, Jag....its pure "random speculation".


Apparently more than a few of your fellow Aggies are randomly speculating the same thing.

It would be pretty obvious to anyone that has watched you guys over the last few seasons that there are some QB coaching issues.

We might actually have been headed in a similar direction this year ourselves. If you watched our early games, the staff was very tight about letting Colt throw the ball. At halftime of the OU game Mack said screw it, we are not going to win that way.

Since then, Colt has been on a tear. He's made some iffy passes, but look at how the offense is opened up. He's giving our receivers chances.

[macduff93]

Hopefully, last night was a wake up call. Some of us have been frustrated with the offensive execution all season. Let's hope something positive comes from it.

[Dustin00whoop]

Why don't you just stick to your team, because you have no clue what is going on with ours. I know you like to think that you do, but you don't.

[GregH]

Apparently more than a few of your fellow Aggies are randomly speculating the same thing.

It would be pretty obvious to anyone that has watched you guys over the last few seasons that there are some QB coaching issues.

We might actually have been headed in a similar direction this year ourselves. If you watched our early games, the staff was very tight about letting Colt throw the ball. At halftime of the OU game Mack said screw it, we are not going to win that way.

Since then, Colt has been on a tear. He's made some iffy passes, but look at how the offense is opened up. He's giving our receivers chances.

I'm sorry, but is this thread labeled "Sips? The Other White Meat?" No, so take your pot stirring butt back over to texags to brew things up.

[GregH]

Why don't you just stick to your team, because you have no clue what is going on with ours. I know you like to think that you do, but you don't.


Like I said, Vly I will donate $100 to have hornia's a$$ banned for life. I'll donate to whatever organization or anything you ask for.
This dude serves NO PURPOSE whatsoever at all on this board. He doesn't bring constructive dialogue or anything close to it. He's hear purely to stir the pot. We already have an insider that can bash, bitch, and moan, and his name is Boozin.
Vly, I'll even buy ya coffee and talk to ya about the BAN when necessary. You got my #.