Out coached again.

[BOOZINB85]

A loss is a loss, we got out coached.










































AGAIN.

[CaliHornia]

That was absolutely crazy. Going for it on your 30. Twice. Wow.

[whitelightnin_23]

our d played a hellova game. Stoops is a great coach, but those plays could have backfired easily & they could be saying the same thing...game of inches fellas.

BTHO Nebraska!

[GregH]

Close game loss, oh well it's behind us now. nu is next.

[GregH]

A loss is a loss, we got out coached.



YES WE DID!! I'll have my special Fran shirt on tomorrow.









































AGAIN.

I 'll be wearing my fran shirt for the 1st time tomorrow. It's going to be tough but after this lack of leadership, initiative, and just down right b_all_ess playing I;m obligated to wear it.


What the F happened here guys?

[BAGGIO]

for the first time i am willing to agree we got outcoached. I still think Fran should stay though.

[macduff93]

What? You're going to turn yellow after one loss? WTF, greg?

[BigJohn]

Playcalling was a bit conservative, but this game came down to execution, and we didn't execute in many plays. McGee simply refused to throw the ball downfield tonight.

[whitelightnin_23]

I 'll be wearing my fran shirt for the 1st time tomorrow. It's going to be tough but after this lack of leadership, initiative, and just down right b_all_ess playing I;m obligated to wear it.


What the F happened here guys?

close game. good team. good d. couple that w/ some missed opportunities due to not executing.
McGee was off after that int.

we take our lump, learn, & BTHO NU!

[macduff93]

We sure got spoiled by all those W's.

This is a young, cohesive team and they will learn from this....hopefully.

[GregH]

No, don't get me wrong. I just felt that we had so much more to put out but did not. I'm true-true Aggie!!! McGee just looked pissed off the entire game, When our players are flustered so am I.

[CaliHornia]

Playcalling was a bit conservative, but this game came down to execution, and we didn't execute in many plays. McGee simply refused to throw the ball downfield tonight.

OU didn't execute really well, either.

Your offensive playcalling gets really strange though at times. It seems like you guys could keep it simple and score, but your OC consistently out-thinks himself. I really didn't understand some of the calls inside the 20.

[BAGGIO]

yeah they covered our receivrs well all game. We couldnt get the conversions like we usually do. I dont think we played a bad game though. Im not so mad about the game but more bad about the fact this kills all our chances.

[GregH]

My wife and I are "THINKING" about wearing the fire fran shirts.

Still very undecided though.

[BigJohn]

I still think we beat Nebraska next week.

[whitelightnin_23]

i didn't understand the 3rd down call where McGee dropped like 20 yards back...he was OFF tonight. DogDoc was wondering if he got his bell rung again? Speculation, but he didn't look the same. Maybe he just kept thinking "don't throw an int...don't throw an int"...

[GregH]

OU didn't execute really well, either.

Your offensive playcalling gets really strange though at times. It seems like you guys could keep it simple and score, but your OC consistently out-thinks himself. I really didn't understand some of the calls inside the 20.

Finally I have to agree with one of your statements EVER! The calls were killing us!

[macduff93]

We have some weaknesses and the O play calling has been a big concern all season long. If I were a player I'd be pissed off, too.

[whitelightnin_23]

My wife and I are "THINKING" about wearing the fire fran shirts.

Still very undecided though.

take that crap to texags...you'll find plenty there.

there were mistakes on both sides of the ball...but we lost that game on the flood-gate Defense in the 1st quarter...not in the 4th qtr.

Stoops call on 4th down to end the game could have easily backfired on him...you think OU fan would wear his "Fire Stoops" shirt? c'mon.

[macduff93]

C'mon Greg. Don't be a 2%'er

[whitelightnin_23]

I still think we beat Nebraska next week.
yep, they looked good against MO today.

[BAGGIO]

Nobody can say we didnt deserve that win as much as OU. Fact is that game came down to inches. While im not happy, I am content( since i have to be) with this loss. They ran all over us in the 1st and our Offense was not as explosive in the 2nd as we hoped, while our defense won the defensive battle in the 2nd. I still have faith. BTH NU!!!

[BigJohn]

yep, they looked good against MO today.
Actually, Mizzou looked crappy today.

[CaliHornia]

i didn't understand the 3rd down call where McGee dropped like 20 yards back...he was OFF tonight. DogDoc was wondering if he got his bell rung again? Speculation, but he didn't look the same. Maybe he just kept thinking "don't throw an int...don't throw an int"...

He did throw 19 times.

But one of those was a pick (that set up the sooners for a score) and in a game that tight, you do have to be careful with the ball. They had good coverage and he might have been pretty concerned about that.

I wonder though if some of it isn't coaching--I'd wonder if your OC doesn't coach your QBs to just pull it down and run it if there's any doubt.

[GregH]

good point.

[whitelightnin_23]

...and then there's that. :D

[GSZ94]

our d played a hellova game. Stoops is a great coach, but those plays could have backfired easily & they could be saying the same thing...game of inches fellas.

BTHO Nebraska!

Stoops looks like a god now because of fran! Instead of doing what worked for us moving the ball, fran and koening tried to get cute. The drive that put us in range for our last field goal when down by 7 is proof of that. Oh yeah, and that was at the 2 yd line.

fran lost this game tonight, not our defense and especially not our players! The players played their hearts out tonight and that is what is sickening about this loss.

Taking into account the atrocious play calling on offense in addition to his lack of basic math skills, it would be extremely difficult to convince me that fran did not INTENTIONALLY lose this game.

[whitelightnin_23]

Taking into account the atrocious play calling on offense in addition to his lack of basic math skills, it would be extremely difficult to convince me that fran did not INTENTIONALLY lose this game.
I was listening to you until this blurb...you can't be serious...

[BAGGIO]

I agree this was a Fran loss, but I still want him to be our coach.

[CoolaidWade]

I agree this was a Fran loss, but I still want him to be our coach.

Our two losses when combined are still under a TD total. So I'm still happy with Fran.

I'm bummed because we may have lost the Holiday with this loss.

[whitelightnin_23]

maybe a rematch w/ TN in the Cotton Bowl?

[GSZ94]

I was listening to you until this blurb...you can't be serious...

:mad: If he did not intentionally lose the game, our CEO is PROVEN to be grossly inept. These "mistakes" are unforgiveable!!!

[GuatemalanAg]

I still think we should have given Lane the ball on 3rd and goal, and then on 4th and goal...It's all in the past now...time to move on AGS...8-2 is still pretty darn good...BTHO Nebraska!!!

[JonesyMan]

Good game, bad play calling, great defense in the second half, guys put their heart into this one. 1 point loss to OU.....BTHONU!!!!!!

[GregH]

I still think we should have given Lane the ball on 3rd and goal, and then on 4th and goal...It's all in the past now...time to move on AGS...8-2 is still pretty darn good...BTHO Nebraska!!!


I agree, and that's what made me lose my voice last night screaming at the TV. The run was working, but the coaches abandoned it.

[JonesyMan]

The box score shows that this game could have been anybodies. We won TOP, total offense, third down conversions....we just didn't get the scoreboard. ONE POINT!!! Heartbreaking lose......I feel very sorry for the cornhuskers next weekend. McGee, though he made some questionable decisions, still showed the heart and determination this entire team possesses. Sure you can say poor playcalling, but at times it was also bad execution. This was a total team lose. Damn it was a great though.

I will say one thing though, that RB of theirs is goin to be something next year.....not as good as Goodson though

[GregH]

I feel very sorry for the cornhuskers next weekend. not as good as Goodson though

WHOOP!!!

[Dustin00whoop]

Bunch of freaking 2% a-holes over here. I can't believe the mood swings. Its like being around a woman during that time of the month. You lose a game that everyone outside of Aggies expected you to lose & you lose it by one point. Your QB was off all night (nothing to do with coaching.) You were reduced to being a one dimensional team & you still damn near pulled it off. OU's coverage wasn't that good tonight--you can't see that crap on TV. We had guys running wide open most of the night--Stephen just refused to pull the trigger. I don't fault Fran or Les for any of the play calling--the mix of plays was working. But at the end of the day, the players have to execute. Joey Thomas was wide open in the EZ down on the north end when we had to settle for the FG to make it 17-13. The play call was correct, the execution wasn't.

Before you start complaining about the play-calling, think about it first & know what you are saying. Otherwise, you just sound ignorant. And if you bail on this team & this staff after that loss last night, then fine--we don't need you.

[BAGGIO]

i feel like daddy just hit mommy at the dinner table

[PinetarAg]

Our two losses when combined are still under a TD total. So I'm still happy with Fran.

I'm bummed because we may have lost the Holiday with this loss.

and were against ranked teams while were dawgs to them....this is still a progress season

[Dustin00whoop]

Another thing that I noticed that I don't know if you could pick it up on TV--OU's defense was freaking fast. By far faster than any D we have played all season. That run that Goodson broke down the east sideline on the first drive--he would've scored against anyone else we played this season.

On that note, I think the coaches did a good job of neutralizing their speed with the draws. The play action didn't work because Stoops had a guy who blitzed & evidently he was told, "Go get the QB! I don't care what they run, go get the QB!" because there was always someone right in McGee's face as soon as he made the fake. I do agree with a post Jag made earlier--I would've liked to have seen a few more screen passes to help slow down their rush, but I don't know if that would've gotten many yards downfield because the guys that weren't blitzing were so freaking quick. I just remember thinking in the first quarter, "Damn, we shouldn't have cut the grass!" (For you young'uns, that goes back to a FSU FU matchup back in the 90s).

[Vlyrock]

Dustin, I think you're spot on on the analysis. I was at the game and was disappointed in McGee's play -- not in the play-calling. While I agree we could've pounded the rock on 3rd and 2, and possibly 4th down... The pass had Thomas open but McGee was too busy running backwards to make the pass. He needs to work on a 3,5, or 7 drop step routine and throw or run. Too many times he bailed out straight back and that cost us HUGE tonight.

The D for OU was also very fast. On that WR screen on 3rd and long, it looked like Chad would be able to run for 20 yards, but then that safety/CB came flying in and got him for a 6 yard gain (I also thinked Tellus blocked the wrong guy)....

Overall, we lost the game in the first quarter and poor execution offensively really hurt in the second half. Still a close game and I look forward to us beating Nebraska at Kyle next week.

[whitelightnin_23]

Thx Dustin for answering my only question of the night...
You can see from TV that McGee was hesitant...my only question was WHY? I couldn't see the D downfield & assumed it was OU's coverage...which then made me question WHY did we throw it so much...it all makes sense to me now. If the coverage wasn't that great & McGee just wasn't pulling the trigger...I can see the need for the passing. A few of the calls were questionable (goal-line pass), but I don't know what the coaches know. I didn't work on the same things they did in practice & I don't know this team like they do...all in all...it was a tough loss to a great team.

Oh yeah, & BTW...Stoops would have looked like a FOOL if we had stopped them on 4th...& Fran would have looke like a "balsy" genius for having faith in his D...think about that...

I still like where our team is at & am still optimistic about our team (the same as before). A win would have put us in great shape...but we can still BTHO NU & TU!!! WHOOP!

[Vlyrock]

The play that killed us was the 10 yard run Patrick broke off on 2nd and 11 on OU's last drive. Hold him to a 4-5 yard run and they'll end up punting. That play hurt the most.

[Dustin00whoop]

The play that killed us was the 10 yard run Patrick broke off on 2nd and 11 on OU's last drive. Hold him to a 4-5 yard run and they'll end up punting. That play hurt the most.

Yeah, exactly. Harrington makes a stop on 1st in the backfield & then somehow Patrick comes through the line untouched on 2nd down. You stop him at the line on that play & who knows what the hell Stoops does on 3rd down. Our D-line got manhandled in the 1st quarter & on that play.

[whitelightnin_23]

IMO, the play(s) that really killed us in this game was the whole 1st drive...especially the 4th down where gorrer was backing up before the ball was snapped.
I loved the adjustments after the 1st qtr...but 100 yards by one back in a qtr is ridiculous. We were in a 4-3 in the 1st qtr, but stopped them better in our 4-2-5 in the second half...

[jagowar]

Yeah, exactly. Harrington makes a stop on 1st in the backfield & then somehow Patrick comes through the line untouched on 2nd down. You stop him at the line on that play & who knows what the hell Stoops does on 3rd down. Our D-line got manhandled in the 1st quarter & on that play.

And why did you expect us to keep on stopping him.... hes a good runner for a reason. And that was always my complaint with kicking the second fg was expecting to stop them. Sure we had done it the whole second half but that thinking didnt work against tech and it didnt work last night. We were dodging bullets every time he ran and that time he got enough of a hole.

[Dustin00whoop]

And why did you expect us to keep on stopping him.... hes a good runner for a reason. And that was always my complaint with kicking the second fg was expecting to stop them. Sure we had done it the whole second half but that thinking didnt work against tech and it didnt work last night. We were dodging bullets every time he ran and that time he got enough of a hole.

How were we dodging bullets? We absolutely shut them down the entire 2nd half. The scored no offensive points. The 3 that they got was the result of an INT. We hadn't been able to throw the ball all night long, but now you think we are going to be able to convert on 4th & 6? Where is the logic in that? What did you want him to do, run the ball on 4th & 6? We had a much better chance of stopping them, getting the ball back, & kicking a FG than we had of converting on 4th on 6.

[jagowar]

How quickly you forget the td called back because of the holding penalty....

and this was his rushing stats for the game....
32 rushes for 173 yards.

Every time he carried it he was a threat to break one for 15+ and all he needed to do to end the game was break one play (which is exactly what he did and ended the game). Its like playing russian roulette.... eventually you lose.

With that said I dont fault the D at all (and even on the 4th down I didnt fault them).... they played an amazing 2nd half and never should have been put in that position.

[Dustin00whoop]

How quickly you forget...he got 101 of those yards in the 1st quarter. He had 136 in the first half. Which means before that last run we had held him to 26 yards in the entire 2nd half. There is no way that as a staff you think you can't stop them again. Our D-line lived in their backfield the entire 2nd half. I'll say it again. At that point in the game, you had a much better chance of stopping them & getting a FG than you did of converting on 4th & 6.

[Burnetaggie99]

If you go back and watch the game you will see that ou had excellent coverage on our wr all night so McGee was smart not to throw the ball down field. It makes me wonder if some of ya'll ever even played football. Thr run was working so fran should of run the ball end of story.

[NPLAggie07]

Amen Burnetaggie99!

[die hard aggie fan]

yes that is right but wat we shouldve done is do a fbdraw or that goodson draw were doin earlier near the goaline then we would get to like the 1 and put goodson and lane back there fake it to lane then toss it to goodson or just sneak it.

[Dustin00whoop]

If you go back and watch the game you will see that ou had excellent coverage on our wr all night so McGee was smart not to throw the ball down field. It makes me wonder if some of ya'll ever even played football. Thr run was working so fran should of run the ball end of story.


What the hell were you looking at? Bennett, Thomas, Franks, Morrow, Lane, Brown, Schroeder were all running wide open on multiple occasions. I don't know what game you were watching, but everyone within ear shot of me could obviously see it because we were all calling out the open guy on each play.

[NPLAggie07]

I'll have to go back and look at the game again, but I think there were some plays where some guys were open but for the most part you have to give credit to the ou defense. They were good in pass coverage. But I can also agree that McGee ran himself into some of the throw aways.

[90AG]

My wife and I are "THINKING" about wearing the fire fran shirts.

Still very undecided though.


Take off your ring before you do so people that see you dont confuse you for a REAL AGGIE!:mad:

[Burnetaggie99]

It's easy to say they were open on a few plays but for the most part they were covered. Also when you don't have the time to look down field because the blitz is not being picked up then you can't say McGee should have thrown the ball. He can't see down field because he's running for his life trying not to get sacked. Fran should of said damn their blitzing lets throw some more screen passes and lets run some more rb draws to offset the blitz. Then once you get the defense off balanced try throwing the ball down field. The only time I saw the wrs open was when McGee was running for his life because ou was blitzing on passing downs.

[90AG]

If you go back and watch the game you will see that ou had excellent coverage on our wr all night so McGee was smart not to throw the ball down field. It makes me wonder if some of ya'll ever even played football. Thr run was working so fran should of run the ball end of story.

there is no question that not only did most of these poster never play ball, but also were not watching the game...

It was a good game between two "pretty good" teams that are very young and have a long way to go before getting upgraded to "good"...I am looking very forward to a very bright future on the backs of McGee, Goodson and Lane...:gig:

[Dustin00whoop]

It's easy to say they were open on a few plays but for the most part they were covered. Also when you don't have the time to look down field because the blitz is not being picked up then you can't say McGee should have thrown the ball. He can't see down field because he's running for his life trying not to get sacked. Fran should of said damn their blitzing lets throw some more screen passes and lets run some more rb draws to offset the blitz. Then once you get the defense off balanced try throwing the ball down field. The only time I saw the wrs open was when McGee was running for his life because ou was blitzing on passing downs.

I'll give you that there were times (mainly in the 1st quarter) when the blitz wasn't picked up, but after that he was running from a pass rush that wasn't there. He missed a lot of open guys last night & more often than not, he had the time to throw the ball.

I said earlier that I would've liked to have seen a few more screen passes, but their D was so fast & closed so quickly that it would've been hard to much out of them.

[macduff93]

Take off your ring before you do so people that see you dont confuse you for a REAL AGGIE!:mad:


:rep:

I thought the same exact thing.

[GregH]

Take off your ring before you do so people that see you dont confuse you for a REAL AGGIE!:mad:

I'm sorry, but you must have me confused with someone else.

You go ahead and be content with losing, I'll start by begging for a new coaching staff.

[texags08]

Wow!!!

I bet if we would have stopped them on 4th and scored for the win everyone would be praising fran for kicking those two FG's and know ing that we could make yet another stop. So lets not fran bash. The second FG was a bad call, go for the win, but its done and over and we need to look ahead to Neb!!!

"Hating fran is like a fasion statement, all of the "cool" kids do it." - texags08

[whitelightnin_23]

Wow!!!

I bet if we would have stopped them on 4th and scored for the win everyone would be praising fran for kicking those two FG's and know ing that we could make yet another stop. So lets not fran bash. The second FG was a bad call, go for the win, but its done and over and we need to look ahead to Neb!!!

"Hating fran is like a fasion statement, all of the "cool" kids do it." - texags08

I agree except for the last sentence...I don't think the 2nd FG was a bad call either...rather (as I stated in another thread) a pretty "balsy" call to place the pressure on your D & show confidence...they nearly pulled it off...

I'm sure everyone would be singing his praises for his "gutsy" call if it had worked out...

[BAGGIO]

Is this the straw that broke the camels back? OU? Really? Their pretty damn good. Just remember everyone, were 30 seconds and one inch away from a perfect season. the Aggies have come a LONG way this season. The team is still very young and our best days are ahead. This team has been flipped upside down from last year, it might of taken way too long, but right now Fran is delivering. Atleast now when someone asks me who me team is they dont laugh.

[GregH]

Is this the straw that broke the camels back? OU? Really? Their pretty damn good. Just remember everyone, were 30 seconds and one inch away from a perfect season. the Aggies have come a LONG way this season. The team is still very young and our best days are ahead. This team has been flipped upside down from last year, it might of taken way too long, but right now Fran is delivering. Atleast now when someone asks me who me team is they dont laugh.

I agree with what I bolded. And Thank God for that!!!

The 2nd part however is questionable.

[Pumchavas28]

our d played a hellova game. Stoops is a great coach, but those plays could have backfired easily & they could be saying the same thing...game of inches fellas.

BTHO Nebraska!


I wonder if we would have been out-coached had OU not gotten that 4th down conversion & we had won 19-17 or 23-17.... depending on if we got a FG or TD....

[macduff93]

Like his calling a timeout before the first QB carry wasn't a stupid mistake. puhlease.....they got lucky!!!!!!

[BAGGIO]

exactly thats what i dont understand. We were beat by an INCH! One inch the other direction and we would have threads saying why fran must stay. Thats football baby.

[Pumchavas28]

exactly thats what i dont understand. We were beat by an INCH! One inch the other direction and we would have threads saying why fran must stay. Thats football baby.


The way I see it, we were beat by an inch & an INT... I can't fault our Defense though for that 1 inch..

1 Inch is the toughest thing to defend in Football... ANd that unfortunatly was the only 1st down OU had in the 2nd half... After rushing for close to 160 in the 1st half OU was held in check the whole 2nd half never crossing mid-field... It was amazing watching the Defense step up under Darnell....

[jagowar]

it was the 4th quarter... they had one or 2 in the 3rd quarter.

but yes the d was not at fault in this game.... they were put in an impossible situation.

[Dustin00whoop]

they were put in an impossible situation.

What exactly was this situation? Stopping a team from getting a first down? Thats impossible? Funny, I thought we did that the whole 2nd half & most of the 2nd quarter.

[Pumchavas28]

What exactly was this situation? Stopping a team from getting a first down? Thats impossible? Funny, I thought we did that the whole 2nd half & most of the 2nd quarter.


I think he means holding for an inch.... I don't think it is impossible, but it is one of the toughest things to do in football.....

The defense played awesome.... minus the 1st quarter.... but aside from that, The defense really made me feel optomistic about our game against NU....

[90AG]

I'm sorry, but you must have me confused with someone else.

You go ahead and be content with losing, I'll start by begging for a new coaching staff.

I dont have you confused with anything but a REAL AGGIE that sticks by the TEAM when it's crunch time.

What are you gong to do??

Fire Fran and let who carry us into NU and tu? Koening?
Who do you hire after the season? We talked about Amato? you want him? John L Smith is available...you want him?
Shoot yourself for a YOUNG team with HUGE talent having two losses?? HMMMM...now that's the best option so far...This is the 4th year of a SEVERE rebuild! RC...I loved him...met him on several occasions...had the opportunity to have lunch and dinner with him...GREAT guy...love to have him on my duck lease, but he was BAD for the TEAM and had to go...WE ALL WANTED FRAN...we all reveled in his hiring...great recruiter and good field coach...When the players are in place, and they are NOT right now...this TEAM will perform...

TCU FREAKED OUT when he left!
ALABAMA FREAKED out when he left there too...
He made a solid change at D Coord with Darnell over Torbush...
Mcgee is a SOPHMORE! Tellus is a SOPHMORE! Lane is a SOPHMORE! Goodson is a FRESHMAN!

Our D is stacked with solid Juniors with a GREAT redshirt class in waiting and a solid recruting class coming in! We have skilled young O players all over the board!

Why cant you people just sit back and rest your OBVIOUSLY uninformed minds and let the system get in place?? We change coaches and we start over with another great hope...It takes time!

Chill out and quit feeding the tu recruiting message board with signs of Aggie dissention. If you think for a second that a top level recruit in attendence wouldnt be impressed by what he saw last night, then you werent there!

What really PISSES me off is when the 10 year old siting next to me follows his dads lead and yells at the top of his lungs..."McGee...you suck!"...it was at that point, I had to intervene...

It is at this point...I have to intervene HERE!

Gregh...when I was in school, we had the longest home win streak in D1...we can get there again, and with Fran at the helm, but not if you "Aggies" arent mature enough to stay the course! Wear your shirt or dont, it's a free country...but you'll get the ire of this AGGIE every time you bring it up and GOD FORBID I see someone wearing one!

[Mole]

What exactly was this situation? Stopping a team from getting a first down? Thats impossible? Funny, I thought we did that the whole 2nd half & most of the 2nd quarter.

I hope your not suggesting that the defense lost us this game?!

They shut OU down for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters by limiting them to a field goal. They also gave the offense multiple opportunities to get the ball back and go and score. The offense failed to capatilize on TWO turnovers.

IMO the defense took care of business. The Offense failed to get anything done.

[Pumchavas28]

To Long To Quote but :rep: for 90AG!!!!!

[90AG]

if our recruting class suffers because of negative internet chatter...I'll have a stroke!

[Pumchavas28]

if our recruting class suffers because of negative internet chatter...I'll have a stroke!


It wont.... I can promise you that.... What will suffer is our current players....

I know, I know... it shouldn't.. that is what I have read on here before... but it does...

Case in point, listen to the Elder & Bennett the Tuesday after the Army Game....

For current recruits & future recruits.... They will talk with Fran & talk with the other coaches on the staff & talk with our players, then go to other universities & do the same & make a sound judgement from that point of view...

WHile it's up to the kids, more often than not, the parents also have some say & will want to make sure their kids are making a sound judgement call for their future...

It wont affect our recruiting... Didn't affect us after a 6-6 season, didn't affect us after a 4-8 season either.... were 8-2 & will build off of this season.....

[Mole]

if our recruting class suffers because of negative internet chatter...I'll have a stroke!

I don't seriously think recruting or players suffer because of internet chatter. If they had high school football forums people would be saying the same things we do. They say the same things in pro forums. We're fans. Passionate fans. Only passionate fans would go to the trouble to sign up on a message board and talk with other people about a certain team or school. Passionate fans, like all people, have opinions based on thoughts, feelings, personal experiences etc. This is the best place for us to come and discuss our feelings. A kind of group therapy if you will.

[GregH]

I dont have you confused with anything but a REAL AGGIE that sticks by the TEAM when it's crunch time.

What are you gong to do??

Fire Fran and let who carry us into NU and tu? Koening?
Who do you hire after the season? We talked about Amato? you want him? John L Smith is available...you want him?
Shoot yourself for a YOUNG team with HUGE talent having two losses?? HMMMM...now that's the best option so far...This is the 4th year of a SEVERE rebuild! RC...I loved him...met him on several occasions...had the opportunity to have lunch and dinner with him...GREAT guy...love to have him on my duck lease, but he was BAD for the TEAM and had to go...WE ALL WANTED FRAN...we all reveled in his hiring...great recruiter and good field coach...When the players are in place, and they are NOT right now...this TEAM will perform...

TCU FREAKED OUT when he left!
ALABAMA FREAKED out when he left there too...
He made a solid change at D Coord with Darnell over Torbush...
Mcgee is a SOPHMORE! Tellus is a SOPHMORE! Lane is a SOPHMORE! Goodson is a FRESHMAN!

Our D is stacked with solid Juniors with a GREAT redshirt class in waiting and a solid recruting class coming in! We have skilled young O players all over the board!

Why cant you people just sit back and rest your OBVIOUSLY uninformed minds and let the system get in place?? We change coaches and we start over with another great hope...It takes time!

Chill out and quit feeding the tu recruiting message board with signs of Aggie dissention. If you think for a second that a top level recruit in attendence wouldnt be impressed by what he saw last night, then you werent there!

What really PISSES me off is when the 10 year old siting next to me follows his dads lead and yells at the top of his lungs..."McGee...you suck!"...it was at that point, I had to intervene...

It is at this point...I have to intervene HERE!

Gregh...when I was in school, we had the longest home win streak in D1...we can get there again, and with Fran at the helm, but not if you "Aggies" arent mature enough to stay the course! Wear your shirt or dont, it's a free country...but you'll get the ire of this AGGIE every time you bring it up and GOD FORBID I see someone wearing one!


The only thing I have to say to your diehard AGGIE a$$ is stop getting me mixed up with a 10 yr old or his Dad. I have NOT bad mouthed our players ONCE!!! Got it? Good.

When Fran does the shyte he did last night again, I plan on wearing the shirt, WITH PRIDE!! I don't expect our players to sound off in frustration because that will get them one thing.....BENCHED! I'll do it for them.

Our boys had the game taken from him. Why would Lane get so pissed if it wasn't? Ask yourself that. I understand the "trooper stand by your coach" mentality, but let me tell you something, that will get you about...................................that far.

I want the BEST staff our boys deserve, nothing more nothing less. If our boys lose a game on their own, FINE, I can deal with that. But when the game is lost from the sidelines with piss ant calling, that's where I lose it!

Obviously Fran doesn't believe in HIS BOYS enough to let them keep doing what has been working to get the record we have got. Why else would he abandon what is working?


fran please step away from McGee and let him win the game. This is your final warning!

Mack did it and won a ring. Watch what others have done to get success and duplicate it. It works,,,,,for reals!!!!

[90AG]

I hope you're right Pum!

Sips called for Mack's head for 3 years leading up to the NC...now they're trying to build a statue of him in Dodd's rose garden...called him the "tobacco road con-man" if memory serves...

[90AG]

The only thing I have to say to your diehard AGGIE a$$ is stop getting me mixed up with a 10 yr old or his Dad. I have NOT bad mouthed our players ONCE!!! Got it? Good.

When Fran does the shyte he did last night again, I plan on wearing the shirt, WITH PRIDE!! I don't expect our players to sound off in frustration because that will get them one thing.....BENCHED! I'll do it for them.

Our boys had the game taken from him. Why would Lane get so pissed if it wasn't? Ask yourself that. I understand the "trooper stand by your coach" mentality, but let me tell you something, that will get you about...................................that far.

I want the BEST staff our boys deserve, nothing more nothing less. If our boys lose a game on their own, FINE, I can deal with that. But when the game is lost from the sidelines with piss ant calling, that's where I lose it!

Obviously Fran doesn't believe in HIS BOYS enough to let them keep doing what has been working to get the record we have got. Why else would he abandon what is working?


fran please step away from McGee and let him win the game. This is your final warning!

Mack did it and won a ring. Do what others have done to get success and duplicate it. It works,,,,,for reals!!!!

My backing on McGee is well documented...but if you think he played a stellar game last night, you either blind or werent watching the same game I was watching...He flat out missed several open reads...was it because he didnt have time due to the 3 man fron rush that torched our O line? Maybe...but Fran doesnt block...or throw...or make reads...or catch passes...

I didnt say you "were" the 10 year old boy...I said you are showing the mentality of one by wearing a T-shirt bashing OUR coach! Do you really think it will serve your cause or is it just "cute"?

[Mole]

3rd and 2 on the 2 yard line and you don't give it to a 275 lbs tailback with a track record of running people over? Bad coaching call and the buck stops at Fran.

From the movie Swingers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117802/quotes):

Trent (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000681/): You know what you are? You're like a big bear with claws and with fangs...
Sue (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0887187/): ...big ****ing teeth, man.
Trent (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000681/): Yeah... big ****in' teeth on ya'. And she's just like this little bunny, who's just kinda cowering in the corner.
Sue (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0887187/): Shivering.
Trent (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000681/): Yeah, man just kinda... you know, you got these claws and you're staring at these claws and your thinking to yourself, and with these claws you're thinking, "How am I supposed to kill this bunny, how am I supposed to kill this bunny?"
Sue (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0887187/): And you're poking at it, you're poking at it...
Trent (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000681/): Yeah, you're not hurting it. You're just kinda gently batting the bunny around, you know what I mean? And the bunny's scared Mike, the bunny's scared of you, shivering.
Sue (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0887187/): And you got these ****ing claws and these fangs...
Trent (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000681/): And you got these ****ing claws and these fangs, man! And you're looking at your claws and you're looking at your fangs. And you're thinking to yourself, you don't know what to do, man. "I don't know how to kill the bunny." With *this* you don't know how to kill the bunny, do you know what I mean?

That's what I kept thinking. You have J train and two yards to go to tie the game and you don't know how to "kill the bunny".

[Pumchavas28]

fran please step away from McGee and let him win the game. This is your final warning!

Mack did it and won a ring. Watch what others have done to get success and duplicate it. It works,,,,,for reals!!!!


He did.....

McGee went 8 of 18, threw 1 Int... And his longest pass was 22 yards to Chad.... the other 10 times McGee threw incomplete passes... that's not counting the number of times McGee took off with the ball because of pressure he felt that wasn't there....

Don't believe me look at his stats...
http://www.aggieathletics.com/games.php?SID=MFB&SSID=2150

Players have bad days also... yesterday one for McGee... it was a legit bad day for McGee.. it happens.... While I am disapointed, I am confident he will shake it off & carry on....

McGee's other bad day was due to a concussion (sp?), but this time, it was just a flat out bad day....

[Mole]

He did.....

McGee went 8 of 18, threw 1 Int... And his longest pass was 22 yards to Chad.... the other 10 times McGee threw incomplete passes... that's not counting the number of times McGee took off with the ball because of pressure he felt that wasn't there....

Don't believe me look at his stats...
http://www.aggieathletics.com/games.php?SID=MFB&SSID=2150

Players have bad days also... yesterday one for McGee... it was a legit bad day for McGee.. it happens.... While I am disapointed, I am confident he will shake it off & carry on....

McGee's other bad day was due to a concussion (sp?), but this time, it was just a flat out bad day....

The wife and I both felt he should have been pulled. At least for a series. Just to get his head straight.

[CaliHornia]

Sips called for Mack's head for 3 years leading up to the NC...now they're trying to build a statue of him in Dodd's rose garden...called him the "tobacco road con-man" if memory serves...

Not entirely true. When the talk was the loudest--after the WSU game--the talk was that he needed to fire coordinators or walk.

He compromised, got rid of Reese, brought in Robinson and the defense rocked.

I was still uncertain about Davis, but the last two years (and especially this year) he's redeemed himself. If you ask me, it's because Mack saw the value of good coordinators and started to demand a little more.

Mack, like any head coach--including yours, is loyal to a fault. The talk forced his hand. If you asked him, he'd probably tell you that honestly, it was the best thing for him.

Texas has had an interesting last few years. The coach has learned that sometimes the fans are right and the fans have learned that sometimes the coach is--some Texas fans weren't enjoying some really good times.

The result is now that Mack has the kind of confidence that means he's not nervous when we're down 21-0 and the fans aren't either, and we trust him.

[90AG]

Not entirely true. When the talk was the loudest--after the WSU game--the talk was that he needed to fire coordinators or walk.

He compromised, got rid of Reese, brought in Robinson and the defense rocked.

I was still uncertain about Davis, but the last two years (and especially this year) he's redeemed himself. If you ask me, it's because Mack saw the value of good coordinators and started to demand a little more.

Mack, like any head coach--including yours, is loyal to a fault. The talk forced his hand. If you asked him, he'd probably tell you that honestly, it was the best thing for him.

Texas has had an interesting last few years. The coach has learned that sometimes the fans are right and the fans have learned that sometimes the coach is--some Texas fans weren't enjoying some really good times.

The result is now that Mack has the kind of confidence that means he's not nervous when we're down 21-0 and the fans aren't either, and we trust him.

I'm with you Cali...but how many years did you guys listen to the uninformed banging out website after website of "fire(insert coach here).com? Davis was at the top of the list(not to say that VY didnt save him...you could coordinate his offense!).

You seem relatively informed most of the time...didnt that send you over the top...a lot??

[CaliHornia]

I'm with you Cali...but how many years did you guys listen to the uninformed banging out website after website of "fire(insert coach here).com? Davis was at the top of the list(not to say that VY didnt save him...you could coordinate his offense!).

You seem relatively informed most of the time...didnt that send you over the top...a lot??

When Brown first came in, Reese had actually improved the defense. The offense had Williams and was getting the job done.

As the years wore on though and we watched teams like Tech pass all over us and the offense stagnated, it was obvious that while Mack was a good coach, something had to change.

We had some years where we were frustratingly close and it seemed like something was holding the team back.

Maybe it was a combination of things, but after the last Holiday Bowl it was clear that something had to go. After that game I felt like Mack had to show his willingness to make a change. I was one of those that said if he didn't, he should go.

He did and the rest has been history.

In retrospect I wished I'd enjoyed some of those seasons a little bit more. Having seen the team win a NC, I realized how hard it was. You can't let that define your season.

But you guys haven't had the kind of years we've had. You've had three kind of mediocre years with quite a few record-setting kind of losses. You guys have to judge this season based on those seasons and those losses.

[Vlyrock]

Not entirely true. When the talk was the loudest--after the WSU game--the talk was that he needed to fire coordinators or walk.

He compromised, got rid of Reese, brought in Robinson and the defense rocked.

Sounds like Torbush/Darnell to me...

[CaliHornia]

Sounds like Torbush/Darnell to me...

Maybe. The full story on your team isn't written yet...

You guys have to decide at the end of the year if your record, whatever it ends up being, is a true improvement over last year.

[Pumchavas28]

I think right now it is an improvement just based on the way they play...

We are capable of controling the clock/ball which we couldn't do last year & still put up the same type of scores we put up last year....

Our Defense which got scorched by even the likes of Texas State is now capable of shutting down Opponents & can actually be relied upon...

HOnestly... if we put last years team on the field this year, we are probably sitting at 5-5 right now..... We didn't have the leadership last year to overcome intense situations, which we do this year.

The Improvement is evident....

[CaliHornia]

I think right now it is an improvement just based on the way they play...

We are capable of controling the clock/ball which we couldn't do last year & still put up the same type of scores we put up last year....

Our Defense which got scorched by even the likes of Texas State is now capable of shutting down Opponents & can actually be relied upon...

HOnestly... if we put last years team on the field this year, we are probably sitting at 5-5 right now..... We didn't have the leadership last year to overcome intense situations, which we do this year.

The Improvement is evident....

I posted early in the season--maybe even before the season--that at the end of a year teams on the edge have to look at their wins and losses and decide what they mean. Your 8-4 year didn't mean much. The team wasn't that much improved over the year before. Hence the year you had last year.

You guys are a few plays from being undefeated. And you're a few plays from four more losses. And this is not last year's schedule.

The money guys at A&M are going to have to sort it all out. You've go the leadership to overcome tense situations--the problem is why are you having all these tense situations?

Look at Texas--we've got a loss and two close games. You could read anything into those games, but I look at them and see that in one we left 7 points on the field in missed FGs, and the other, kept fumbling. On top of which we were playing dinged up. I'm inclined to regard those games as not representative of the team, right now. The next two games will tell us a lot.

[whitelightnin_23]

He did.....

McGee went 8 of 18, threw 1 Int... And his longest pass was 22 yards to Chad.... the other 10 times McGee threw incomplete passes... that's not counting the number of times McGee took off with the ball because of pressure he felt that wasn't there....

Don't believe me look at his stats...
http://www.aggieathletics.com/games.php?SID=MFB&SSID=2150

Players have bad days also... yesterday one for McGee... it was a legit bad day for McGee.. it happens.... While I am disapointed, I am confident he will shake it off & carry on....

McGee's other bad day was due to a concussion (sp?), but this time, it was just a flat out bad day....

beat me to it pum...Greg...sorry, but you just showed your ignorance on that last bolded post...you should have left it in regular font & I wouldn't have read it...along w/ the rest of your senseless attack on Fran...

So which is it? Should he let McGee loose (like he did on the 3rd & 2)?
Or give it to J-Train? ....ummm....er...what I meant was....durrr....you don't understanddd....ummmm....fire fran.....ddeeeee......

[GregH]

beat me to it pum...Greg...sorry, but you just showed your ignorance on that last bolded post...you should have left it in regular font & I wouldn't have read it...along w/ the rest of your senseless attack on Fran...

So which is it? Should he let McGee loose (like he did on the 3rd & 2)?
Or give it to J-Train? ....ummm....er...what I meant was....durrr....you don't understanddd....ummmm....fire fran.....ddeeeee......

Not just 3rd and 2, but 3rd and GOAL!!!! J-Train!!!!!!!!

Do I need to BOLD another statement for you?

I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OF THE PLAYERS JUST THE COACH. HE (COACH) SENDS IN PLAYS, PLAYERS "TRY" TO EXECUTE.

I'm not asking much fella, just please open your eyes. How many close games have we had this year? Could we be 10-0 now or 4-6? Sure. Have I been critical of Fran all year? Yes, I'm consistent.

McGee worked with what he had and what he was given. Fran "abandon the run" Chione lost this game for us.

Maybe I need a crayon or something for you to understand that.

[polish]

Why does Cali make the most sense on this thread.
Cali rep to you

My opinion on Fran
Personel has improved since he got here - Fran started with nothing on Defense and very little on offense. I still have "Farmer up the middle" nightmares from my fish year.

Playing Calling still the same - I scratched my head on RC, I still scratch it with Fran. All coaches have their good and bad moments

Team is united and never gives up - The thing we have to learn is how to win. Most key players at the skill positions are young and have learned how to win big games. The 4 guys we rely on the most are all sophs or younger(Lane Goodson, Bennett, McGee) When Goodson is junior i bet he makes at least 1 TD out of the two almost broke it plays. It's gonna take one big win in order to accomplish learning to win big games. NU or tu will do it.


On Mack
He had talent when he got there so it was a faster turnaround
Ricky, Applewhite, L. Davis, Q. Jammer, S Rodgers

[90AG]

Polish....

Rep to you sir!

[12th man fan]

McGee was told, I'm sure, if you don't see a receiver open, don't force it, just throw it away. The tV coverage was lousy in that you couldn't see what was happening downfield, but apparently no one was open.

So why didn't we run? And why didn't we run twice when it was 3rd and goal at OU's two yard line, with less than 4 minutes left? Fran's decision to kick was one of those coach not lose decisons. I think if you had used reward versus risk, you would have gone for it. That is what Stoops finally did a minute and a half later, IMO. Get the first down, you win, no question. If you fail, you gove the other team the ball back - which you would have done if you punted anyway. I agree with his call completely.

And I wonder why Fran didn't make the same call just a minute and a half earlier.

[12th man fan]

I agree with Cali in general and welcome his participation here. But I think he is wrong about Stoop's decision to go for it.

And I would have rather lost knowing that we gave it our best shot, than simply playing not to lose. I would have supported Fran's decision had he chosen to run twice rather than pass and the FG, even if we hadn't have made it.