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I met a couple of guys at lunch yesterday who were architects. We started talking about what they did, and what I did, and the subject of which schools we attended came up. When they discovered I was an Aggie, they told me that they were the architects for Fran's shrinking home. We made several jokes, and then they told me the home was initially going to be a 8,000 sq ft house. After they had completed the plans, and the building stage was getting ready to start, Fran started losing. He called one of the owners of this architecture firm, and told them he wanted to change the house size to 6,500 sq ft. When Fran spoke to the architect, he (the architect) was in a different city on business, he gave Fran a quote regarding how much it would cost to make these changes. Fran gave them the go ahead. Well when Fran got the bill it was couple thousand dollars more, which if you know anything about this field or construction, this happens. Fran refused to pay the bill.
What i'm getting at is, do we want to be coached by a man who doesn't have the integrity to honor his financial committments?
It all comes down to character.
BTW, i've been performing a straw poll when I talk to Aggies about the football team and coaching staff. It is unanimous that everyone wants this guy gone, and that he is ruining our program.
BAGGIO
10-14-2006, 01:13 PM
im not ready to see him go. I might be the minority, but give him a while longer.(I might be on the fire fran wagon in 3 hours or so.)
I hate to say this, but if he loses today, it's over, and you know the house will be on the market.
BAGGIO
10-14-2006, 01:18 PM
Yeah this game is must win. Its understandable to lose to tu at home or nebraska. I dont care what mizzou's record is, fran MUST win this game.
Yeah this game is must win. Its understandable to lose to tu at home or nebraska. I dont care what mizzou's record is, fran MUST win this game.
I'm not bitting back here, but losing to t.u. and Nebraska is and never will be understandable.
BAGGIO
10-14-2006, 01:36 PM
Oh comon, Im not saying i dont think we have a shot, but losing to any top 10 team in their house is understandable. Tollerable, maybe not, but understandable, yes.
macduff93
10-14-2006, 05:14 PM
I can't believe that the firm didn't get settled up with at final closing, but if they didn't have their legal team take care it (as they should have), they will (or should) file a vendor's lien. That way they will get paid when Fran sells the house, which will happen eventually. There are strict real estate laws in place in Texas to deal with people who try to get away with this.
Slotback
10-14-2006, 05:40 PM
In short, payback is hell.
whitelightnin_23
10-14-2006, 07:15 PM
after today's game, he should put those 1500 square feet back in... :D
Mezentius
10-14-2006, 07:25 PM
Let me get this straight...because "it happens all the time" in the construction industry it's okay to go over your quoted amount on the construction?
I'm in sales and if I went back to my customer after the purchase was agreed to and said, "well it's going to be more expensive by say 4%" I wouldn't get a dime and have no grounds, why should it be any different in construction. The difference in cost is irrelevant. My question is would you want to use an architect that couldn't hold to his/her financial commitments?
Moth--I love your passion, but your method sucks....
Vlyrock
10-14-2006, 11:52 PM
I met a couple of guys at lunch yesterday who were architects. We started talking about what they did, and what I did, and the subject of which schools we attended came up. When they discovered I was an Aggie, they told me that they were the architects for Fran's shrinking home. We made several jokes, and then they told me the home was initially going to be a 8,000 sq ft house. After they had completed the plans, and the building stage was getting ready to start, Fran started losing. He called one of the owners of this architecture firm, and told them he wanted to change the house size to 6,500 sq ft. When Fran spoke to the architect, he (the architect) was in a different city on business, he gave Fran a quote regarding how much it would cost to make these changes. Fran gave them the go ahead. Well when Fran got the bill it was couple thousand dollars more, which if you know anything about this field or construction, this happens. Fran refused to pay the bill.
What i'm getting at is, do we want to be coached by a man who doesn't have the integrity to honor his financial committments?
It all comes down to character.
BTW, i've been performing a straw poll when I talk to Aggies about the football team and coaching staff. It is unanimous that everyone wants this guy gone, and that he is ruining our program.
Well, I went to a restaurant yesterday and met some waitresses. They told me they served Fran dinner and when the bill came, he saw some people sitting around them, so he offered to buy their dinners too.
I don't know about you, but that just isn't acceptable....do you really want this guy as your coach? ;)
C'mon man, we all know how you feel. Lay off it...and by the way, we won today, so guess the pressure's off for a while.
And my straw poll is that 80% of the people I talk to say Coach Fran is ahead of where people thought we'd be at this point. We're a Top 25 team (why can't people stop calling for his head yet)?
Let me get this straight...because "it happens all the time" in the construction industry it's okay to go over your quoted amount on the construction?
I'm in sales and if I went back to my customer after the purchase was agreed to and said, "well it's going to be more expensive by say 4%" I wouldn't get a dime and have no grounds, why should it be any different in construction. The difference in cost is irrelevant. My question is would you want to use an architect that couldn't hold to his/her financial commitments?
The problem with construction is the price of raw materials. The price of wildly swings on a daily basis. You can bid a job and if it doesn't start right away the price for the copper and other raw materials can jump dramatically. So bad in fact that the contractor ends up loosing all his profit.
Hey Moth what company did the Architects work for?
I woke up this morning thinking about how poor/cowardly it is to try to make this argument. You disagree with a coach, you even hate him, it's cowardly to smear him on a ridiculous, unfounded, "hey I met two guys" RUMOR.
I thought officers were gnetlemen that dealt in fact.
Vly--you should have removed this post altogether.
Pflugerville Ag
10-16-2006, 10:21 AM
As for the construction/architect story, if true, there is a ton of information that is unknown that is needed to judge who is right. Was a contract signed? What did the contract say? What are the details? Regardless, Fran's dealings with a builder have nothing to do with his coaching.
Kyle98
10-16-2006, 12:31 PM
As for the construction/architect story, if true, there is a ton of information that is unknown that is needed to judge who is right. Was a contract signed? What did the contract say? What are the details? Regardless, Fran's dealings with a builder have nothing to do with his coaching.
He's winning now. Some people will look for any reason to tear him down when they can't find one in his coaching.
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