Here on out...

[GregH]

I will promise not BASH Fran and the coaching staff until after the last game of the season. Having said that, if they (coaching staff) just make the worst playing calling decisions and it is OBVIOUS that they are the albatross that plagues our team, I will rip them a new one and join the FIRE Fran wagon.

Until then GIG'EM AGGIES AND BTHO MIZZOU!

[Gig em12]

the second half of the promise completely nullified it all together.

...i promise not to rip fran for doing stupid stuff, unless he does something stupid - then i will rip him bad....

[Pumchavas28]

Gregh.... don't get me wrong..... there is a time & place for everything....

And while I personally would like folks to chill until after the season...... if Fran were to lay an egg against Oh..... Say....... baylor....... Even I couldn't stick up for Fran.....

But during the course of this season....All I would say is that any close game or win is a team effort, coaches & players combined..... but if we get blown out by anyone or lose to baylor, then that is a coaching issue....

A coach should keep us from getting blown out, we have the talent to keep that from happening, so if we do get blown out, & by blown out I mean we lose by 28 or more, then that falls on Fran & his entire staff....

JMO.

So far.... as a team (coaches & players) have done a good job..... 1 play away from 6-0..... Which is more than we can say for any of the teams the last 5 years.

[BigJohn]

What is obvious to you may not be obvious to Fran.

[Pumchavas28]

What is obvious to anyone might not be obvious to someone else..... That can always be said about anybody.

[Superaggie79]

Gregh.... don't get me wrong..... there is a time & place for everything....

And while I personally would like folks to chill until after the season...... if Fran were to lay an egg against Oh..... Say....... baylor....... Even I couldn't stick up for Fran.....

But during the course of this season....All I would say is that any close game or win is a team effort, coaches & players combined..... but if we get blown out by anyone or lose to baylor, then that is a coaching issue....

A coach should keep us from getting blown out, we have the talent to keep that from happening, so if we do get blown out, & by blown out I mean we lose by 28 or more, then that falls on Fran & his entire staff....

JMO.

So far.... as a team (coaches & players) have done a good job..... 1 play away from 6-0..... Which is more than we can say for any of the teams the last 5 years.
close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades

[Mole]

This is going to be fun to watch.

[Superaggie79]

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[Dustin00whoop]

close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades

But doesn't it go both ways? Whether its a close win or a close loss, its still a win or a loss. I love how people that support the coach get slammed by the bashers when they bring up that we're one play away from 6-0, but the bashers are constantly complaining about close wins.

[Pumchavas28]

But doesn't it go both ways? Whether its a close win or a close loss, its still a win or a loss. I love how people that support the coach get slammed by the bashers when they bring up that we're one play away from 6-0, but the bashers are constantly complaining about close wins.


Exactly..... that's why I said it's a TEAM effort.... win or lose...

Close win or close loss.....

As I said on another post... I seriously doubt anyone on here would be happy with a 29-7 win over North Texas, but yet that is what our boys did during our 98 season...

[Superaggie79]

I haven't complained about a close win... maybe some of the individual plays in that win just like a loss but I'll always take the win

[Mole]

But doesn't it go both ways? Whether its a close win or a close loss, its still a win or a loss. I love how people that support the coach get slammed by the bashers when they bring up that we're one play away from 6-0, but the bashers are constantly complaining about close wins.

Bashers only complain about close wins when it's a team they feel we should blow out or at least win by a comfortable margin. They complain about the Army game but if we beat the sips the same way they won't say a word.

[Dustin00whoop]

I haven't complained about a close win... maybe some of the individual plays in that win just like a loss but I'll always take the win

I wasn't specifically talking about you.

[Mole]

Exactly..... that's why I said it's a TEAM effort.... win or lose...

Close win or close loss.....

As I said on another post... I seriously doubt anyone on here would be happy with a 29-7 win over North Texas, but yet that is what our boys did during our 98 season...

I'd be happy with 29-7 over North Texas. I'm not trying to start an arguement.

I don't expect us to put up 60 or 70 points on lesser opponents. For one I don't think it's right to run the score up on people just because you can. Winning by over 3 touchdowns is a convincing win. The other thing to think about is we don't have a quick score offense. We grind it out and run the clock. We are going to use up a lot of time to score and therefore aren't going to put up as much points as other schools.

That being said any coach at A&M can feel free to run the score up on tceh anytime they want to. I'll give them that exception.

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[Superaggie79]

I wasn't specifically talking about you.
:kiss:

[Mole]

:kiss:

Someone finally used that emoticon. Cool.

[MDaggie09]

i'd rather have a win of 3 touchdowns, and get 70 players some game experience

[Pumchavas28]

I'd be happy with 29-7 over North Texas. I'm not trying to start an arguement.

I don't expect us to put up 60 or 70 points on lesser opponents. For one I don't think it's right to run the score up on people just because you can. Winning by over 3 touchdowns is a convincing win. The other thing to think about is we don't have a quick score offense. We grind it out and run the clock. We are going to use up a lot of time to score and therefore aren't going to put up as much points as other schools.

That being said any coach at A&M can feel free to run the score up on tceh anytime they want to. I'll give them that exception.

That is fine & all, but I wasn't speaking of you... after the Citadel game there were quite a few folks on here predicting Armageddon and the end of A&M because we only won 31-0.......

My post was meant more towards those people.

[Mole]

That is fine & all, but I wasn't speaking of you... after the Citadel game there were quite a few folks on here predicting Armageddon and the end of A&M because we only won 31-0.......

My post was meant more towards those people.

People weren't happy with 31-0. They didn't even score! Not even a field goal. Wow. That's redonkulos!:wow:

[Dustin00whoop]

Actually its was 35-3.

[Mole]

Either way it's still redonkulos!

[AggieFrog]

People were upset because we played like crap that game. The score was 35-3 because of the opponent's ineptness.

We've played 1 good, solid game - and that was against ULaLa. That was refreshing and gave some optimism, but then came Army, a bad quarter/half against LaTech, a mediocre performance to Tech in a game we really needed to start to balance our history vs. the Big XII South top 3, and a lackluster outing at Kansas.

If we play a good solid game against a good team and win or even lose a close one you won't hear near the bitching. If we come out flat, continue the special teams miscues, etc. then you'll hear the complaining continue. That's just the way it goes and the coaches are paid handsomely to prepare our team and take the heat from the fans and media for poor results.

[Dustin00whoop]

Frog, you are so freaking wrong. You are telling me that if we play a great game on Sat. & lose to Mizzu that we won't hear near the bitching. Give me a freaking break. If you want to bitch about a coach, choose your other team--TCU. They win one big game & then roll over & lose two in a row to scrub teams. Your bitching is much more justified on their boards than here.

[AggieFrog]

Dustin - I don't recall a lot of bitching when we lost to t.u. & OU last year. Why? Because we played good games in each, but just didn't come out with a W.

We've played 1 good game this year.

[Superaggie79]

Frog is a realist... way to go frog.

[Dustin00whoop]

Dustin - I don't recall a lot of bitching when we lost to t.u. & OU last year. Why? Because we played good games in each, but just didn't come out with a W.

We've played 1 good game this year.

That was last year, this is this year. And this year, you guys that are calling for Fran's head are looking for any reason to bitch about him. And I wouldn't expect you to recall anything from last year--evidently, you have a very selective memory. Kind of like not remembering any ugly wins in the '98 season.

[Superaggie79]

You've got to figure last year we were out experienced and for the most part out talented... we played above our talent level in my opinion. This year we've played for the most part lower level teams with less talent yet we've played down to their level and haven't performed. It's true and you know it.

[PinetarAg]

someone wrote into the mail call yesterday kind of pissed that everyone is bashing the team and fran when nothing can be done now....his (i think it was a he) message support the team for the season and see how it goes.....I hope people around campus read it and took note

[Superaggie79]

I think everyone supports the team it's just they get tired of what seems to be the same thing year in and out with simple coaching mistakes. Thats how I feel anyways.

[Dustin00whoop]

You've got to figure last year we were out experienced and for the most part out talented... we played above our talent level in my opinion. This year we've played for the most part lower level teams with less talent yet we've played down to their level and haven't performed. It's true and you know it.


I'll agree with all of the above except "haven't performed". They have definitely performed. You don't win games, especially Big XII road games without performing. They just haven't performed to your liking, which is irrelevant, because the opinions that you & Frog have don't matter to the powers that be. Thats really what I'm getting at. Your bitching means nothing to the people that matter. The only people it effects are the coaches & the players--and you are only hurting the team by continuing to bitch, even after a win. Whats the point?

[Dustin00whoop]

I think everyone supports the team it's just they get tired of what seems to be the same thing year in and out with simple coaching mistakes. Thats how I feel anyways.

You can't say you support the team & constantly do things to hurt the team. All it is is lip speak & has absolutely no substance.

[Superaggie79]

I'll agree with all of the above except "haven't performed". They have definitely performed. You don't win games, especially Big XII road games without performing. They just haven't performed to your liking, which is irrelevant, because the opinions that you & Frog have don't matter to the powers that be. Thats really what I'm getting at. Your bitching means nothing to the people that matter. The only people it effects are the coaches & the players--and you are only hurting the team by continuing to bitch, even after a win. Whats the point?
Offensive line jumping, not picking up stunts, and holding is not performing. Having a bad snap is not performing. Punting the ball 13 yards is not performing. Dropped passes are not performing. Not catching the pitch is not performing... Need more. And mine and frogs opinions do matter if they are the opinion of the majority and the money movers. I have no idea if it is or not but we don't really know. And if something I post on a messageboard effects the team then they really have problems. I think it was Cody Wallace or Chris Yoder that said that all the negative talk actually motivated them to play for themselves which is a good thing.

[PinetarAg]

I'll agree with all of the above except "haven't performed". They have definitely performed. You don't win games, especially Big XII road games without performing. They just haven't performed to your liking, which is irrelevant, because the opinions that you & Frog have don't matter to the powers that be. Thats really what I'm getting at. Your bitching means nothing to the people that matter. The only people it effects are the coaches & the players--and you are only hurting the team by continuing to bitch, even after a win. Whats the point?

nicely put....100% agree:rep:

[Superaggie79]

You can't say you support the team & constantly do things to hurt the team. All it is is lip speak & has absolutely no substance.
How did I do things to hurt them? Have I not paid to watch the games? Did I sneak up and give McGee a deep thigh bruise? Did I push Yemi and make him jump? NO NO NO.... You're wrong. I want our team to win I get frustrated with stupid mistakes.

[Dustin00whoop]

First off, since the ones calling for Fran's head are the loud annoying ones, its safe to assume that they are the minority. Thats the way its always been. The minority feels that by being loud & raising hell that they'll be heard over the majority.

Secondly, players & coaches alike have said that the negative talk of the fans & the media is discouraging after a win. So, either they are lieing to us, or I'm right & you're wrong. Yeah, I understand you want our team to win. But please explain to me how your bitching about the coaches & the players making mistakes against Kansas is going to help us beat Mizzu.

And as far as the Cody Wallace or Chris Yoder quote, please show that to me. And if it was Cody Wallace, yeah, he was real motivated. So motivated that he had a false start & a personal foul. If it was Yoder, he was clearly motivated too--I love my back-ups to be the most motivated guys on the team.

[Superaggie79]

First off, since the ones calling for Fran's head are the loud annoying ones, its safe to assume that they are the minority. Thats the way its always been. The minority feels that by being loud & raising hell that they'll be heard over the majority.

Secondly, players & coaches alike have said that the negative talk of the fans & the media is discouraging after a win. So, either they are lieing to us, or I'm right & you're wrong. Yeah, I understand you want our team to win. But please explain to me how your bitching about the coaches & the players making mistakes against Kansas is going to help us beat Mizzu.

And as far as the Cody Wallace or Chris Yoder quote, please show that to me. And if it was Cody Wallace, yeah, he was real motivated. So motivated that he had a false start & a personal foul. If it was Yoder, he was clearly motivated too--I love my back-ups to be the most motivated guys on the team.

Please show me your quote. I can't show you mine because it was in a radio interview with Gabe Bock on Chips show. How is me pumping sunshine going to help us beat Mizzou? BTW it's not nice to talk about their mistakes like you did it might discourage them ;)

[AggieFrog]

Dustin, honestly I think the sunshine pumpers are in the minority about Fran & co. Outside this board and a few folks on TexAgs, most people I've seen comment and Ags I've talked to have had about enough of Fran.

[Dustin00whoop]

Dustin, honestly I think the sunshine pumpers are in the minority about Fran & co. Outside this board and a few folks on TexAgs, most people I've seen comment and Ags I've talked to have had about enough of Fran.

I can tell you that a subpar season will result in the people that matter having enough of Fran. But at this point, Fran is still in good standing.

[AggieFrog]

And RC got a vote of confidence not long before he was outted. We'll see.

[Dustin00whoop]

Please show me your quote. I can't show you mine because it was in a radio interview with Gabe Bock on Chips show. How is me pumping sunshine going to help us beat Mizzou? BTW it's not nice to talk about their mistakes like you did it might discourage them ;)

Listen to the media day. It was mentioned more than once. And because of the ;) I'm going to take that last comment as sarcasm.

[Dustin00whoop]

We'll see.

Exactly! There is nothing that you can do to change what is going to happen. Like I asked before, what does your constant bitching do to help this team win football games. You haven't answered because the answer is, "Nothing." Therefore, its pointless. If you are so pissed about the situation & you want to change it, then give more money & become important. Until then, I would again ask you to just zip it because it is doing no one any good. Hell, Loftin was able to do it & if he can do it anyone can. :D

[AggieFrog]

And your sunshine pumping is pointless. In fact, in the end, all comments on these message boards are pointless.

I'll quit bitching when I see us play well or sunshine pumpers quit pumping up bad performances.

[Dustin00whoop]

And your sunshine pumping is pointless. In fact, in the end, all comments on these message boards are pointless.

I'll quit bitching when I see us play well or sunshine pumpers quit pumping up bad performances.

I'm definitely not pumping any sunshine. As a matter of fact, I'm probably the most unbiased person on this topic. I'm not a fan or a hater of our coaching staff. I'll point out the bad & the good at any given moment. I look at this football team the same way I look at my employees. First & for most, did they get the job done. If the answer is Yes, then thats a huge plus & the most important thing. After that, lets go back & see how we went about getting the job done. True, the end result was what we wanted, but we could've gone about getting the end result in a better way. Lets use that to build on for next time. If you constantly criticize people for achieving the desired end result, then you won't get very far in any aspect of life.

[Pumchavas28]

And your sunshine pumping is pointless. In fact, in the end, all comments on these message boards are pointless.

I'll quit bitching when I see us play well or sunshine pumpers quit pumping up bad performances.


If you want to call it sunshine pumping, I can tell you it's not pointless.....

The Media read these boards, they go on all of them for every team to get the feel of the fans & when fans like you bitch, bitch, & bitch some more, that is when the team gets questions about that crap....

Honestly, go back & listen to Bennett & Elder, & see how they feel about the negativity......

At least if you look at the positive, and the players hear about how fans see the positive through media questions it might encourage them....

Elder said & I quote...

I had to keep myself from turning around and making this guys day very unpleasant

Because he heard some dumb @$$ talking shyt about the team... not to anyone one that mattered, but literealy right behind a players back... not but 2 feet away from Kirk....

SA, Frog, Boozin... I have said it before, if you want to complain, go complain to the players.... especially someone like SA who is in such close quarters with them & see's them on a daily basis... See how they take your critzism, see what they do...... I dare you to.....

Ya'll talk a big game on a message board, but I bet you don't have the guts to go up to any player & tell them anything like "Fran must go" or "We Suck" or "Missou will beat us" or anything like that.......

I dare you... go ahead... put your money where your mouth is.... I know damn well that if I had the oportunity, win or lose, I would pat every player & coach on the back......

You can call the pat on the back soft all you want, but what I call soft is bitching about the team on a message board & not expressing yourself to those who can do something about it.

[Pumchavas28]

If no one believes that what the fans say doesn't bother players... listen to Bennett or Elder..... here's the link....

http://www.aggieathletics.com/pressRelease.php?PRID=11792

Go up to one of em & talk shyt.... go ahead...... They are the players, they are the one's executing & they are the one's that bought into Fran's system enough to come to A&M. They are the one's busting their @$$ off, and I believe Fran is giving his best effort as well, while not up to most of our expectations including my own......

But who gives a crap about any negative thing any of you or I have to say....... It does no good to anyone on our team.....

[The Massacre]

well. looks like some people just got Pumchav0wn3d. nice work Pum. i feel the same way. :rep:

[Pumchavas28]

On another note.... I am still waiting on the replies from those who YESTERDAY would ask the players about the entrance before every game....

[Superaggie79]

read other thread

[Pumchavas28]

I did...... Isn't there someone else you can ask?

[Superaggie79]

No he was the only player I was friendly with

[Pumchavas28]

Get outta here.... for real..... you..... but you have such nice things to say about the team.... I don't believe it.....

;)

[Superaggie79]

He was in my lab group so we talked alot. Other than that I gave other players their space

[GregH]

What is obvious to anyone might not be obvious to someone else..... That can always be said about anybody.
It's my obvious, not anyone elses. Mine, mine, mine!!!!!!